Seeing Red [Naruto]

[Zefferen]

I mean, if he thinks we got murk'd, that would probably unlock the eyes.

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I think it has to be an actual death witnessed first hand that someone feels personally responsible for. If someone could get fooled into it the Uchiha would've figured out how to do it. Ninja do terrible things to their allies over less certain power than that.

Itachi is probably still the best shot Sasuke has of awakening it. That or Naruto or Hisana dies then gets revived.

I'd bet that if the quest progresses that far that the Sage would end up dragging himself out of the afterlife as he did in canon too. The Trenchcoats just have too much power to be slavishly holding themselves to canon just in a desperate hope to avoid the apocalypse. Offing Zetsu and Obito wouldn't be easy, but with knowledge of their abilities should be possible if they have a mangekyou sharingan Uchiha among their number. They've got to have another goal that'll lead to insane escalation.

 

[OverReactionGuy]

Only relevant if we fuck up enough for him to unlock the mangy eyes.

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He would probably get it by killing Itachi though.

 

[GrimTheMad]

He would probably get it by killing Itachi though.

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Arguable, actually. It worked that way in canon but Sasuke is a different person here and has a far better support network and family outside of Itachi.

Also, like, there's no guarantee that he'll even do it. There are lots of other possibilities- someone else does it, the truth of the matter comes out before Itachi's death, or Itachi just drops dead on his own from Incurable Cough Disease.

 

[Redshirt Army]

Btw, do people remember the specializations they were going for with Hisana? Or we'd just be mastering nothing while keeping the versatility of knowing many things?

I can't remember, only reason why I'm asking.

I know sword was supposed to be one specialization for combat and it really helped a lot. Which is rather obvious to tell with what happened in the new update. And probably chakra control given we have that seal and use chakra flow. And I'm guessing speed because the other seal that makes her a discount Shisui.

But what other things were being pushed for?

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Character Concept Direction for Hisana

Hisana has been a somewhat tricky character to pin down, so far, but given the latest insights we've had in the thread, I think that a fairly self-consistent concept for future growth is taking shape, which I'd like to expand on.

Consistently, we've voted for Hisana to reconstruct and repurpose not just jutsu, but fundamental constants of other people's combat styles. Most obviously, she copied the idea of Tsunade's seal wholesale to deal with her stamina issues, and she went to great lengths to reconstruct Shisui's technique, to great success.

It runs deeper than just those examples, though. She took a great deal of inspiration from that first Chunin Exam she witnessed a while back, when it comes to her use of chakra strings and receptor seals to modify her ranged attacks. She "stole" Sakura's place on Team 7, but copied large amounts of medical training from her to partially make up for it. And she fully plans on using her access to the Raven Summons to copy shippuden Naruto's success with Sage Mode.

Even in hiring tutors to teach her techniques like Iaido's anti-handseal focus, or asking Asuma to teach her Wind Infusion, you can see a strain of this sort of piecemeal practicality. Heck, even the chakra she keeps in her seal is sourced from Naruto, much of the time, and you can make an argument that as an avid member of the Naruto fandom, even her idea to train fuinjutsu is unoriginal, since she undoubtedly sourced some of her ideas on how dealing is underused from the wider fanbase.

In short, she's something like the natural evolution of Kakashi - instead of just copying a jutsu and adding it to her arsenal, she builds her whole combat style around extremely powerful singular techniques that she can synergize together. Her theme is probably best expressed as "abusing the greatest strengths of others".

And this is all something you can build off of as a character design spectacularly. It's a natural extension of her mentor's reputation as the Copy-Ninja, for one, and plays into her position as inheriting the Uchiha's famed eyes without the sense of clan pride to inhibit her behaviours. Shameless cheating ninja, through and through.

Stealing Yoroi's technique and building around it ties into this on multiple levels. On the first, Hisana once again found an underused jutsu and explored it ruthlessly, stealing it from her opponents. On a deeper level, working in the direction of chakra drain lets her literally use her opponents strengths against them.

Because of the way that external chakra manipulation techniques naturally scale to the level of ones opposition, they're a natural fit for Hisana's role in the story and her desire to be able to alter canon - letting her affect relevant change on very high level combat while not needing to reach that level as desperately herself. Thus, in addition to being thematic, it's also a practical consideration for the circumstances she's in.

It will of course take a lot of effort before she can even do something as relatively simple as work on Yoroi's jutsu until she can channel it through a sword instead of requiring palm contact, but it's a path for her development that I'm very much sold on. And in the long run...? Chakra dispersing "Anti-Magic Fields" area seals fall into her "chakra manipulation" fuinjutsu theme, as would more directly applied chakra draining or inhibiting seals.

Imagine just cutting off the connection Nagato has to his Paths, or that Kabuto had to the Edo Tensai. Or encountering a hostile Sage Mode user (we aren't the only transmigrant, and it's one of the classic "paths to power" in Naruto) and being able to disable their balance of physical, mental, and natural energy with an applied seal. Insta-statue.

My only real complaint is that she doesn't have the Magpie summons yet, but since they're Corvids, even that is on theme.

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Here's my overarching character concept for Hisana.
In terms of discrete and specific advancements I'd like to see:

• Continue to reach a rapport with the Ravens, such that they are willing to teach Hisana Sage Mode.
  • Continue to learn jutsu from the Ravens that we are able to effectively deploy while wielding a sword.
• Continue to advance our Final Hurricane Seal, such that it is able to help Hisana sustainably maintain Sage Mode in combat.
  • Continue to improve the Final Hurricane Seal to help ensure Hisana has the effective chakra reserves to operate at absurd high tier levels.
    • Possible methods: Link Yoroi's chakra drain jutsu directly into the Final Hurricane (and our sword?) for constant chakra regeneration in combat, create a constant chakra drain from Hisana's natural reserves to serve as Samehada style chakra capacity training?
• Continue to increase our fundamental attributes of Speed/Kenjutsu/Iaido.
  • Further refinements of the Lightning Blood Seal also fall under this category, as do more esoteric speed boosts such as the Eight Gates, a Wind Chakra Cloak, artificially recreating the Swift Lightning/Wind release, etc.
• Create a consistent and stable "super attack" that we can consistently use against high-tier opponents.
  • We basically already have this with the Beast Slaying Vacuum Talon, which we should be able to spend some actions to properly codify now that we have a sword that can regenerate from the stress of channeling it.
• Using sealing, create counters to various forms of esoteric bullshit that we can anticipate running into.
  • I'm specifically thinking of stuff like the various Akatsuki member's various bullshit.
• Continue to round out our fundamentals, such that we can consistently operate well in a wide variety of possible situations.
  • For example, Kyujutsu: Chakra Flow, the technique we just copied, should allow Hisana to apply her chakra flow techniques to thrown weapons once adapted, which will help shore up her ranged skillset.

 

[Zefferen]

He would probably get it by killing Itachi though.

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While their greater goal is quite mysterious I'm almost as curious as to how the Trechcoats intend to make that bit of canon happen. They should know that Sasuke has a better support network here and doesn't have a cursed seal twisting him, but more importantly they definitely know that Hisana knows the truth. While Hisana has been avoiding admitting to her future knowledge I can't imagine her letting Sasuke kill his brother knowing full well that the real culprit behind the massacre was Danzo. Sasuke is not going to want to kill Itachi and Itachi's whole plan to let Sasuke kill him doesn't work if Sasuke is out for the real villain. The longer they put off killing her the more time she has to admit the truth.

Huh, I wonder if that whole thing will end up with Itachi having one last battle to kill off ROOT in a blaze of glory. It'd probably be a more effective way of keeping Sasuke safe than his current plan.

Anyway on the coats are they going to just talk Itachi into impaling himself on Sasuke's sword? Itachi would probably do it with the right argument, but it wouldn't be that easy. Driving Sasuke to feel responsible for the death of someone he deeply loves isn't something they can pull off with their normal means.

 

[OverReactionGuy]

Anyway on the coats are they going to just talk Itachi into impaling himself on Sasuke's sword? Itachi would probably do it with the right argument, but it wouldn't be that easy. Driving Sasuke to feel responsible for the death of someone he deeply loves isn't something they can pull off with their normal means.

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Honestly speaking, I think Itachi would want Sasuke to kill him regardless. Since he's dying anyway, he probably would want to increase Sasuke's power and options through his own death. It would be even worse if Sasuke knows Itachi isn't that guilty though. Which I think would ironically make it even more likely that Sasuke would get the eyes, killing someone he cares for.

 

[GrimTheMad]

Honestly speaking, I think Itachi would want Sasuke to kill him regardless. Since he's dying anyway, he probably would want to increase Sasuke's power and options through his own death.

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Then Itachi can fuck off.

I value Sasuke's mental health and wellbeing far more than getting him mangy eyes.

If it does come to that- well, Hisana is pretty well built to be a fantastic kill stealer, and she definitely does not care enough about Itachi to get the requisite mental scars.

 

[OverReactionGuy]

I value Sasuke's mental health and wellbeing far more than getting him mangy eyes.

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You know those eyes don't exclude actual mental health right? Though he probably would need therapy, he won't in this continuity go nuts because of the support he would have before that made it impossible.

Possibility of him going full avenger mode in this quest is already 0 unless everything he cares about is destroyed.

 

[matthew badger]

Here's my overarching character concept for Hisana.
In terms of discrete and specific advancements I'd like to see:

• Continue to reach a rapport with the Ravens, such that they are willing to teach Hisana Sage Mode.
  • Continue to learn jutsu from the Ravens that we are able to effectively deploy while wielding a sword.
• Continue to advance our Final Hurricane Seal, such that it is able to help Hisana sustainably maintain Sage Mode in combat.
  • Continue to improve the Final Hurricane Seal to help ensure Hisana has the effective chakra reserves to operate at absurd high tier levels.
    • Possible methods: Link Yoroi's chakra drain jutsu directly into the Final Hurricane (and our sword?) for constant chakra regeneration in combat, create a constant chakra drain from Hisana's natural reserves to serve as Samehada style chakra capacity training?
• Continue to increase our fundamental attributes of Speed/Kenjutsu/Iaido.
  • Further refinements of the Lightning Blood Seal also fall under this category, as do more esoteric speed boosts such as the Eight Gates, a Wind Chakra Cloak, artificially recreating the Swift Lightning/Wind release, etc.
• Create a consistent and stable "super attack" that we can consistently use against high-tier opponents.
  • We basically already have this with the Beast Slaying Vacuum Talon, which we should be able to spend some actions to properly codify now that we have a sword that can regenerate from the stress of channeling it.
• Using sealing, create counters to various forms of esoteric bullshit that we can anticipate running into.
  • I'm specifically thinking of stuff like the various Akatsuki member's various bullshit.
• Continue to round out our fundamentals, such that we can consistently operate well in a wide variety of possible situations.
  • For example, Kyujutsu: Chakra Flow, the technique we just copied, should allow Hisana to apply her chakra flow techniques to thrown weapons once adapted, which will help shore up her ranged skillset.

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I support this and the concept of chakra stealing to a great degree, especially considering the success we've seen her have with the base technique using taijutsu. Adding onto your plan, I suggest that the super attack be something like:

"Chakra-stealing, giant, rainbow, sage energy laser-sword"

Or something to that effect, sorta like a combination of those swords wielded by Susanoo and the "Tyrant Slaying Rainbow Talon" that we used in the latest update.

IIrc sasuke's focus is on 'gigantic piercing energy arrows' and naruto's focus is on 'giant explosive energy orbs/shurikens', so our focus could instead be on 'Huge slicing energy swords', completing the trifecta of cool large scale techniques.

 

[azoicennead]

I don't really think Hisana can be the next Minato personally. Dude is pretty unfair to try and reach. So OP that even one of the most OP Uchiha eye powers was losing to him before Tobi went fuck this shit I'm out from what I remember.

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We're well on our way to being in Minato's league. We're not exactly matching him (we're already mixing in a smattering of Shisui's style), and I doubt we're going to drop kenjutsu for a Rasengan-alike, but we're likely going to be in a very similar place (i.e. specced for hyper-lethal alpha strikes in a way that makes us extremely dangerous in a stand-up fight).

I think it has to be an actual death witnessed first hand that someone feels personally responsible for. If someone could get fooled into it the Uchiha would've figured out how to do it.

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You underestimate how stuck on tradition and How Things Are Done people can be.
Especially since experimenting with how much of a traumatic experience is required to activate the mango eyes is going to be... extremely difficult.
(Also, Obito witnessing Kakashi impaling Rin is going to be hard to sell as something he feels personally responsible for.)
(Also also, isn't it canon that Black Zetsu directly interfered with the tablet they use to teach people about the Sharingan? Seems like the kind of knowledge you'd want to keep away from your deliberately-unstable proxies.)

IIrc sasuke's focus is on 'gigantic piercing energy arrows' and naruto's focus is on 'giant explosive energy orbs/shurikens', so our focus could instead be on 'Huge slicing energy swords', filing out the roster of cool techniques.

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I'm pretty sure SR!Sasuke is a genjutsu specialist, but he may still have a predilection to piercing techniques.

Can you point to anyone that got mangy eyes and didn't immediately do a triple backflip into the deep end?

Obitio, Itachi, Madara, Sasuke- the only exception that I can think of is Shisui and that's probably just because we know basically nothing about him anyways.

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Eh... Maybe Kakashi? He awakened it himself.
Also, Madara got the mango eyes before making peace with Hashirama.
But really, "witness the death of someone you love/care deeply for" as an activation condition isn't exactly going to leave people in a good space, mentally.

 

[Silver2195]

Eh... Maybe Kakashi? He awakened it himself.
Also, Madara got the mango eyes before making peace with Hashirama.
But really, "witness the death of someone you love/care deeply for" as an activation condition isn't exactly going to leave people in a good space, mentally.

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Shisui had Mangekyou without being nuts, IIRC.

 

[Gnarker]

Btw, do people remember the specializations they were going for with Hisana? Or we'd just be mastering nothing while keeping the versatility of knowing many things?

I can't remember, only reason why I'm asking.

I know sword was supposed to be one specialization for combat and it really helped a lot. Which is rather obvious to tell with what happened in the new update. And probably chakra control given we have that seal and use chakra flow. And I'm guessing speed because the other seal that makes her a discount Shisui.

But what other things were being pushed for?

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Here's my overarching character concept for Hisana.
In terms of discrete and specific advancements I'd like to see:

• Continue to reach a rapport with the Ravens, such that they are willing to teach Hisana Sage Mode.
  • Continue to learn jutsu from the Ravens that we are able to effectively deploy while wielding a sword.
• Continue to advance our Final Hurricane Seal, such that it is able to help Hisana sustainably maintain Sage Mode in combat.
  • Continue to improve the Final Hurricane Seal to help ensure Hisana has the effective chakra reserves to operate at absurd high tier levels.
    • Possible methods: Link Yoroi's chakra drain jutsu directly into the Final Hurricane (and our sword?) for constant chakra regeneration in combat, create a constant chakra drain from Hisana's natural reserves to serve as Samehada style chakra capacity training?
• Continue to increase our fundamental attributes of Speed/Kenjutsu/Iaido.
  • Further refinements of the Lightning Blood Seal also fall under this category, as do more esoteric speed boosts such as the Eight Gates, a Wind Chakra Cloak, artificially recreating the Swift Lightning/Wind release, etc.
• Create a consistent and stable "super attack" that we can consistently use against high-tier opponents.
  • We basically already have this with the Beast Slaying Vacuum Talon, which we should be able to spend some actions to properly codify now that we have a sword that can regenerate from the stress of channeling it.
• Using sealing, create counters to various forms of esoteric bullshit that we can anticipate running into.
  • I'm specifically thinking of stuff like the various Akatsuki member's various bullshit.
• Continue to round out our fundamentals, such that we can consistently operate well in a wide variety of possible situations.
  • For example, Kyujutsu: Chakra Flow, the technique we just copied, should allow Hisana to apply her chakra flow techniques to thrown weapons once adapted, which will help shore up her ranged skillset.

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The specialization we're going for with Hisana is to look at every notably strong ninja in the history of the elemental nations and analyze their unique techniques, and then rip them off mercilessly in order to blend all those techniques into a coherent whole.

But that's long-term.

In the short term, in addition to the goals outlined by ORG I'd like to do the following:

• Analyze and reverse-engineer our new loot.
  • Based on the armor, upgrade our personal protective seals.
    • Possibly even add in some actual physical armor pieces for even more protection, but only if we can actually make them, and most importantly make them lightweight and non-restrictive; Bracers, greaves, a chest- and backplate, stuff like that. This is a very very tentative maybe.
  • Analyze the kunai launchers, use them and our sealing knowledge to build a sniper rifle (possibly: sniper rifle/machinegun hybrid) for ourselves.
    • Tactical role would be long-range, low-chakra-cost, precise and somewhat stealthy anti-armor attack, compared to the mostly mid-range, flashy area-of-effect artillery strikes of most of our high-level ranged jutsu.
    • Augment the rifle's ammunition with techniques we already know or can easily learn: Sharingan-assisted aim, shuriken puppetry, chakra flow, shuriken shadow clones, ammunition storage seals.
    • Optional: Receiver seals on the projectiles to enhance the chakra efficiency of the preceding, as well as exchangeable chakra storage seals to power the rifle itself.
• Ask Kakashi and Gai for help with learning (developing) better taijutsu styles that mix well with swordsmanship, and that let us make use of some of the unique jutsu we know: Touch seals, chakra draining, chakra strings, chakra scalpels, our new Wind Shroud.
  • Historically speaking, mixing unarmed techiques into armed combat was very much the norm.
  • Some advanced examples might be: Tripping and binding (and sneakily cutting and crippling, with wind flow) an enemy with the help of chakra strings, feints with the sword while we reach out with the off-hand to place a touch seal, using the sword for leverage while grappling and draining an enemy, channeling the drain though objects such as swords or chakra strings, clones grappling and immobilizing an enemy while we prepare a finishing attack, possibly other stuff like the gates that boost our armed and unarmed combat both, etc.
• In general, bring as many stats and skills up to level as we can in order to grind them for traits that are useful to us, if necessary even if we have to learn entirely new skills for that.

Honestly speaking, I think Itachi would want Sasuke to kill him regardless. Since he's dying anyway, he probably would want to increase Sasuke's power and options through his own death. It would be even worse if Sasuke knows Itachi isn't that guilty though. Which I think would ironically make it even more likely that Sasuke would get the eyes, killing someone he cares for.

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I'd prefer getting Itachi an appointment with Tsunade so she can give a verdict before we accept anything that drastic.

 

[Silver2195]

I'd prefer getting Itachi an appointment with Tsunade so she can give a verdict before we accept anything that drastic.

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That might be interesting. My theory about Itachi's disease is that it's a side-effect of using Susanoo, just like he's going blind as a result of using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.

 

[Lone Courier 6]

That might be interesting. My theory about Itachi's disease is that it's a side-effect of using Susanoo, just like he's going blind as a result of using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.

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Doesn't fit with *shudders* Boruto, Sasuke was fine a decade and a change later.

 

[Silver2195]

Doesn't fit with *shudders* Boruto, Sasuke was fine a decade and a change later.

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I assume the Eternal Mangekyo version doesn't damage your body, only the regular Mangekyo. And we did see Sasuke experience pain when he used Susanoo during the Kage Summit arc, supporting the assumption that it damages your insides somehow. Presumably he didn't use it enough to have permanent effects (he was too busy spamming Amaterasu instead).

 

[azoicennead]

Shisui had Mangekyou without being nuts, IIRC.

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He ripped out his left eye, handed it to Itachi, and killed himself.

 

[Redshirt Army]

I'm gonna say that I'm on the "mango eyes absolutely aren't worth it" train. Sure, you get a ton of power, but you also go insane. Not a great tradeoff.

 

[Robinton]

The specialization we're going for with Hisana is to look at every notably strong ninja in the history of the elemental nations and analyze their unique techniques, and then rip them off mercilessly in order to blend all those techniques into a coherent whole.

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Anything Goes Martial Arts Ninja Survival, anyone?

More seriously, I'll try to sum up the "let's do this as soon as we can" items I've heard and thought of:

• Analyze and reverse-engineer our new loot.
• Use our loot (and copied technique) to shore up our ranged skillset (immediate?).
• Train Beast Slaying Vacuum Talon until it's a much more stable technique.
• Advanced Ninjutsu 60 C -> 70 B (if it's not already by then).
• Once all prior items done (ish?): Fuinjutsu 110 B -> 150 A. (New trait get!)

Any other thoughts?

 

[HeWhoAdds]

I'm gonna say that I'm on the "mango eyes absolutely aren't worth it" train. Sure, you get a ton of power, but you also go insane. Not a great tradeoff.

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Sure but canonically you can cure the madness by having Naruto kick your ass

 

[SCO]

That's going to be a bit hard if Naruto can't even see Hisana (i low key expect that mango eyes will make shunshin wind cloak even easier to control than the lightning blood seal).

 

[uju32]

Btw, do people remember the specializations they were going for with Hisana? Or we'd just be mastering nothing while keeping the versatility of knowing many things?I can't remember, only reason why I'm asking.

I know sword was supposed to be one specialization for combat and it really helped a lot. Which is rather obvious to tell with what happened in the new update. And probably chakra control given we have that seal and use chakra flow. And I'm guessing speed because the other seal that makes her a discount Shisui.

But what other things were being pushed for?

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Speed.
Speed. Sword. Seals. In that order.

Speed to attack and run away, swords as our primary offensive modality, and seals as an enhancing factor for both speed and chakra capacity, and personal defense. It also serves as a utility modality for those things that a sword wont or cant kill, like the immortal agent of the Rabbit Goddess, the blood clone of Orochimaru, or should Naruto freak out under Kurama's influence or after getting nailed by someone's Sharingan genjutsu.

Iryojutsu entered the mix as soon as we invented and applied the Final Hurricane seal, because applying sealwork tattoos to your own body means that you need a pretty comprehensive understanding of human biology.

Also?
We're an Uchiha bloodline user with Sharingan eyeballs that require unique care, and there's no Konoha eye specialist that we trust to handle care for Hisana and Sasuke short of Tsunade; every other Leaf doctor is vulnerable to Danzo pulling rank or a Sharingan mindwipe.

Furthermore, the only non-Leaf doctors who know shit about Uchiha biology(that we're aware of) are respectively Tobi/Obito, Madara, Zetsu and Orochimaru/Kabuto. Not an appealing range of choices.
So homebrewed medical care it is.

I really like how you think... But, reluctantly playing devil's advocate, maybe pay the 10 points to get Advanced Ninjutsu to B-rank first?
Then I'd say Sealing to A-rank. Then... the long hard slog to get Speed to S-rank.
(Gotta go fast.)

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We need Iryojutsu at A-rank before then.

Frankly we dont have the years to sit down and learn Sage Mode the old-fashioned way, or the aptitude to use Naruto's cheat.
Orochimaru never managed to learn Sage Mode on his own, Tsunade never bothered, Jiraiya never mastered it after multiple decades of life, and Naruto was still dealing with a time limit on his before getting Kurama's cooperation.

Ergo, we will need to pull a Kabuto. Mad science super science ourselves a solution to that problem.

We've been OOC contemplating getting to Sage Mode via fuinjutsu instead of biological alterations, since we know that Orochimaru's curse seal models Juugo's transformation and use of natural energy by tapping and channelling nature energy safely to boost the user into a supermode.
Getting a look at the medical reports on the Sound Four we killed or incapacitated should help there.

Or just stealing some of Orochimaru's notes. Or getting a look at Anko's Curse Seal of Earth.

If we go that route, that requires another upgrade to the Final Hurricane seal structure.
Which requires both Iryojutsu and Fuinjutsu at A-rank minimum, or higher. Maybe even Intelligence or Schooling needs to be higher to represent broader theoretical knowledge, though I suspect B-rank in both should be enough since we're not pioneering unique innovations.

If I had to choose order of progression?

• Advanced Ninjutsu to A-rank: 10 points
• Basic Genjutsu to B-rank: 20 points (We really need better genjutsu aptitude since we know theres at least three hostile S-class Uchihas currently running around with genjutsu eyeballs: Tobi, Itachi and Trenchcoat Mangy Eye Uchiha from Crush 5.4, who had genjutsu strong enough to hide from Tobirama and Hiruzen. I dont wanna get mindfucked like Kakashi did )
• Storage Seals to A-rank: 40 points (Final Hurricane IS a storage seal)
• Touch Seals to B-rank: 40 points
• Fuinjutsu to A-rank: <40 points (because increasing storage seals should affect both fuinjutsu and chakra capacity, and so should touch seals)
• Iryojutsu to A-rank: 70 points
• Speed to S-rank: >>>
• Genjutsu to A-rank: ~70 points

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Blast from the past:

Yep. Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura. Kitsune, Tengu, Oni.
While we're on the subject - how would Sage Mode eyes work with the Sharingan anyway? Paging @matthew badger , how can we make this look cool and not stupid?

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I just found out baby ravens have blue eyes. The Sharingan, of course, is red.
So have Sage Mode Hisana's Sharingan go from red to blue. With blue face markings.

 

[Ridiculously Average Guy]

Rereading old posts. I don't remember did we talk to Hayate after we saved his life? Because I had a theory that this whole clusterfuck was the result of timetravel, and whenever a named character that should have died was saved a transmigrant got dropped into their body.

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If we really need another superattack, could mess with seals and chakraflow somehow so a hurricane of natural energy flows into our sword. Then we swing it off and outwards. Granted, this is more "augment weapon" than "get gud".

 

[LightLan]

Rereading old posts. I don't remember did we talk to Hayate after we saved his life? Because I had a theory that this whole clusterfuck was the result of timetravel, and whenever a named character that should have died was saved a transmigrant got dropped into their body.

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But Karin is a transmigrant and iirc shouldn't have died yet.

 

[Aranfan]

ecause I had a theory that this whole clusterfuck was the result of timetravel, and whenever a named character that should have died was saved a transmigrant got dropped into their body.

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Karin would still alive all the way into Shippuden tho?

 

[GrimTheMad]

Frankly we dont have the years to sit down and learn Sage Mode the old-fashioned way, or the aptitude to use Naruto's cheat.
Orochimaru never managed to learn Sage Mode on his own, Tsunade never bothered, Jiraiya never mastered it after multiple decades of life, and Naruto was still dealing with a time limit on his before getting Kurama's cooperation.

Ergo, we will need to pull a Kabuto. Mad science super science ourselves a solution to that problem.

We've been OOC contemplating getting to Sage Mode via fuinjutsu instead of biological alterations, since we know that Orochimaru's curse seal models Juugo's transformation and use of natural energy by tapping and channelling nature energy safely to boost the user into a supermode.
Getting a look at the medical reports on the Sound Four we killed or incapacitated should help there.

Or just stealing some of Orochimaru's notes. Or getting a look at Anko's Curse Seal of Earth.

If we go that route, that requires another upgrade to the Final Hurricane seal structure.
Which requires both Iryojutsu and Fuinjutsu at A-rank minimum, or higher. Maybe even Intelligence or Schooling needs to be higher to represent broader theoretical knowledge, though I suspect B-rank in both should be enough since we're not pioneering unique innovations.

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This strikes me as a lot of assumption presented as fact, to be honest.

Lets at least try it the normal way before reaching for the mad science, yeah?

Because until we do we absolutely can't say with confidence that Hisana can't do it.

I'm not terribly interested in continuing to rank up Iryojutsu unless and until we find out its actually necessary- so far there's been no sign that continued sealing progression will rely on it. Like, Hisana didn't appear to need high medical knowledge to wire a seal into her nervous system, so the assertion that she must need it to upgrade the Final Hurricane more is... odd?