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People. Chakra threads are not easy to cut. Metal swords and Kunai cannot do it. Elemental justu have never been shown to do it. Generally dispelling techniques have been shown outright not to do it. The two things in the whole series that stops a chakra strings is chakra armors and chakra blades such as Hyuuga and mystic scalpel.

On the whole push/pull/telekinesis/shinrai tensai issue, Chakra strings, the low level technique we already have, can throw puppets around like bullets. I really really do not know why Tekomander is requiring us to upgrade it several times to allow us to do this with "chakra cables" or why he required us to learn seals in order to attach chakra strings to things before this upgrade, but I figured it was because of scaling and gamifying.

These strings are constructs made from very concentrated chakra so, they can be seen by people besides the user. A skilled user can suppress the chakra so that the strings become invisible, as Chiyo did with the Manipulating Attack Blades to sneak a string to bind Hiruko's iron tail.[2] These strings essentially act as an extension of the user which allows them to manipulate whatever is attached to their strings - such as hidden weaponry in a puppet - as they please.[3] Chakra can also be transferred via the strings, such as to activate techniques that the puppets can use.[4] The chakra strings can also be attached to other objects, allowing the user to control, or at the very least disrupt other things.

In one instance, Kankurō uses chakra strings to trip Naruto Uzumaki when they first met.[5] In another, Chiyo uses chakra strings to control a person like a puppet. Kankurō has shown the ability to attach his chakra strings to those of another user's.[6] This technique is limited to one main string per finger for normal humans, but Sasori's modified core was able to emit enough strings to control over one hundred puppets. In Naruto Shippūden the Movie: The Lost Tower, Mukade attached his chakra threads to the pipes in Rōran to expand the number of threads to thousands, allowing him to control thousands of puppets.

On terms of visibility, Chiyo and several others (mostly in the anime) are completely capable of making their chakra cables invisible. They're visible by default because they're concentrated chakra, but they don't need to be and by the use she put her invisible cable in battle, it doesn't lessen the cables effectiveness either.

As shown already in the story with our gennin exam, chakra strings already have push, pull, fine vector control and multiple target capability. As cables can be extended from any finger, all we'd have to do to use them in conjunction with our sword is extend our pinky fingers and we've got two cables to throw things around with.

By cannon, the weight of your own body means nothing to your ability to telekinetically throw things with chakra strings/threads/cables. This is a story specific limitation, as is the ability to attach the strings without assistance.

The whole flying thing is a bit amusing, but there's nothing to say we can or can't. Chiyo was certainly able to make Sakura fly around like a freaking bug avoiding a hail of needles, so it's not as if changing the direction of flying things is hard either.

This is all assuming we can't extend cables from our eyes becuase of the enhanced chakra control BS involved in the SHaringan.

On the subject of it being redundant because we'll end up having susanoo... that's actally very unlikely. We're specifically very weak in Uchiha blood and our sharingan at any stage is laughable and pathetic beside sasuke's. Assuming we can or even would try to get Mangekyo, chance are we can't and chances are worse that we'd be able to use susanoo at all. Worse since unless we follow my funky medic plan we won't have anyone to trade eyes with.

None of this makes chakra strings anything to sniff at though. People keep talking about sage chakra? Chakra strings allows you to transmit and trade chakra with someone and as show with the Fuma clan, have no real distance limit. A clone can sit in hiding and feed us a stream of sage chakra while we or anybody else feeds it regular chakra. among other creative uses. This is discounting that sage chakra even acts like chakra strings allowing naruto to telekinetically punch people if he misses them with extensions of his sage chakra. And this was taught by the frog in the basic sage taijutsu course.

Telekinesis, chakra transfer, justsu transfer, elemental whip shenanigins. There is a boatload of stuff chakra stings can do.

Blazing chakra flow has its uses, sure, but for right now, it's a bomb on the edge of our blade. Do we want to be able to manipulate our opponents, send magic missiles at them, or blow them up with a windfire interaction if they parry?
 
What if we tried to get around the drawback of the Chakra Strings (Can't pull things heavier than us) via usage of the Tree/Water Walking technique?

That is, anchor ourselves into the ground, and then pull the thing, while anchored?

Alternatively, use multiple strings, and let them anchor us.
 
Kakuzu could combine wind and fire chakra. It just made really big fireballs as the wind whipped the fire up bigger. Combining chakra does not a bloodline limit make.

That's not 'combining' wind and fire chakra, that's using a Wind technique to boost a Fire technique. We already do this with combination techniques, if not to the same level as Kakuzu throwing around two A-rank techniques, and is what the initial part of the 'Blazing Chakra Flow' is, using a seal to add Fire-natured Chakra to our Wind Chakra Flow on contact with a target. It cuts out the extra partner and allows it to be used with our weapon.

The later stages of the seal are what is projected to be capable of generating true Scorch Release Chakra: "Future Development could allow the true combination of various types of chakra flow."

'True Combination' is the key phrase here, as my understanding of Naruto is that dual element releases found in bloodline limits are the 'true' combination of chakra natures. As described up thread, there are a number of different dual elements that can be used for this purpose, even if I don't think any except Scorch to be used commonly, Ice Chakra Flow could be a nasty thing to fight.

We also know that Chakra Flow can be used on throwing weapons in addition to melee weapons. Taking this to it's most obvious conclusion, in conjunction with the seals on our hands as storage we can launch Scorch Chakra Flow Shuriken and Kunai, in addition to whatever else we come up with.

Telekinesis, chakra transfer, justsu transfer, elemental whip shenanigins. There is a boatload of stuff chakra stings can do.

Blazing chakra flow has its uses, sure, but for right now, it's a bomb on the edge of our blade. Do we want to be able to manipulate our opponents, send magic missiles at them, or blow them up with a windfire interaction if they parry?

And right now all it does is make us Spider-man - a budget Spider-man, at that.

All of these techniques have potential - I know what I'm most interested in. But alas, dragons aren't as cool as swords with a plasma edge on demand.
 
But alas, dragons aren't as cool as swords with a plasma edge on demand.
Its not a plasma edge yet. In a few upgrades, sure. Bur right now it's a wind/fire explosion. Unless you're saying activate that instead of the wind chakra flow, and then it's just a burning blade which only matters if we cut them in the first place. Something our normal blade justu does much much better anyway.
 
What if we tried to get around the drawback of the Chakra Strings (Can't pull things heavier than us) via usage of the Tree/Water Walking technique?

That is, anchor ourselves into the ground, and then pull the thing, while anchored?

Alternatively, use multiple strings, and let them anchor us.

This is exactly what is done in Mistborn. Pull/push opposite directions to move something heavy.
There is the issue of having to double the strain & the pressure being the center.
 
Its not a plasma edge yet. In a few upgrades, sure. Bur right now it's a wind/fire explosion. Unless you're saying activate that instead of the wind chakra flow, and then it's just a burning blade which only matters if we cut them in the first place. Something our normal blade justu does much much better anyway.

1st step: Blazing chakra
2nd step: True Combine for Scorch
3rd step: Get Lightning chakra
4th step: Combine Lightning/Wind for Plasma.

By that time, our Chakra cable probably has became Shinra Tensei.
 
'True Combination' is the key phrase here, as my understanding of Naruto is that dual element releases found in bloodline limits are the 'true' combination of chakra natures. As described up thread, there are a number of different dual elements that can be used for this purpose, even if I don't think any except Scorch to be used commonly, Ice Chakra Flow could be a nasty thing to fight.
"Used commonly" is not something that can be used to describe any Kekkei Genkai, unless you're talking specifically in the context of the group that has that Kekkei Genkai (e.g. the Yuki Clan).

Also I should point out that different types of regular chakra flow have different effects. Earth does nothing but increase durability, for instance. Scorch, being "fire release but really hot" should work fine with chakra flow, but something like, say Storm Release?

4th step: Combine Lightning/Wind for Plasma.
Plasma isn't an actual element in Naruto canon, is there something that indicates it is here? Or are you just talking about combining the way a wind jutsu + fire jutsu = bigger fire jutsu.

By that time, our Chakra cable probably has became Shinra Tensei.
Considering Shinra Tensei requires mastery of all chakra natures, I find that unlikely.
 
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Plasma isn't an actual element in Naruto canon, is there something that indicates it is here? Or are you just talking about combining the way a wind jutsu + fire jutsu = bigger fire jutsu.
Eh, sorta. There's storm release which sends out beams of energy that are more or less Dark Sieds Omega beams in power and versatility.
 
Or we just get scorch and our blade becomes hot enough to evaporate the water inside someones body.

That's still 2nd step.

The cable equivalent is Push/Pull already. With all the shenanigans included.

And all that does, it help people NOT bleed to death after we cut them.

Plasma isn't an actual element in Naruto canon, is there something that indicates it is here? Or are you just talking about combining the way a wind jutsu + fire jutsu = bigger fire jutsu.

Considering Shinra Tensei requires mastery of all chakra natures, I find that unlikely.

They were voting for Blaze Chakra for Plasma sword. IDK about the basis.
Anyone voting for Blaze Chakra, feel free to answer LostDeviljho.

Lightning blood is cheap Shushin
Cables is cheap Shrinra Tensei.

Not as good as the original version sure. But still OP
 
Eh, sorta. There's storm release which sends out beams of energy that are more or less Dark Sieds Omega beams in power and versatility.
Storm release is energized water, essentially. The lasers can curve because they're liquid, and are dangerous because they have all the destructiveness of lightning. It's sorta plasma-like, but it isn't actual plasma.
 
That's still 2nd step.

The cable equivalent is Push/Pull already. With all the shenanigans included.

And all that does, it help people NOT bleed to death after we cut them.



They were voting for Blaze Chakra for Plasma sword. IDK about the basis.
Anyone voting for Blaze Chakra, feel free to answer LostDeviljho.

Lightning blood is cheap Shushin
Cables is cheap Shrinra Tensei.

Not as good as the original version sure. But still OP
The enemy can also push pull if the chakra cable is touching them.
It doesn't make them not bleed to death, it evaporates all the water in them and makes them a mummy. It makes them not bleed to death because there is nothing to bleed, which is better.
 
The enemy can also push pull if the chakra cable is touching them.
It doesn't make them not bleed to death, it evaporates all the water in them and makes them a mummy. It makes them not bleed to death because there is nothing to bleed, which is better.
I find it likely that a scorch release sword would only desiccate the limb we hit, in most cases. The one that fully mummified people went through chests and stuff.
Also I rather doubt we're gonna get handed a literal one hit kill technique.
 
I find it likely that a scorch release sword would only desiccate the limb we hit, in most cases. The one that fully mummified people went through chests and stuff.
Also I rather doubt we're gonna get handed a literal one hit kill technique.
Probably could 1 hit kill a chunin. And permanently destroying a limb by only needing to hit it is still very very good.
 
The enemy can also push pull if the chakra cable is touching them.

Not without the cable skill, they won't

Chakra is not some physical thing for you to touch and manipulate.
You need manipulation skill to do anything with it.
And it's not their chakra, making it harder for them to do anything with it.

Might as well say people being cut by the Blazing chakra sword could control it to explode US instead of them.
 
Not without the cable skill, they won't
If something is pulling against you, you can pull back. That's a basic application of how force works.

Might as well say people being cut by the Blazing chakra sword could control it to explode US instead of them.
I mean, there are almost certainly people who have some kind of explosion reflecting technique, considering explosions are one of Iwa's things, so...
 
Not without the cable skill, they won't

Chakra is not some physical thing for you to touch and manipulate.
You need manipulation skill to do anything with it.
And it's not their chakra, making it harder for them to do anything with it.

Might as well say people being cut by the Blazing chakra sword could control it to explode US instead of them.
If it is a physical chakra string that can trip you, you can also pull on it. They might be able to dissipate it, but it has to be physical to even work.
If chakra strings aren't physical it wouldn't be able to move anything at all. If we try to move around with it like some attack on titan knock off a enemy could just take a cable connected to us and use it to whip us around.

The blazing chakra flow thing is possible but a lot less likely since they'd need to be able to reflect it somehow.
 
"Last stand" doesn't mean she'll die, it only means she's fighting to the death, and won't flee.
Untrue.
A last stand is a military situation in which a body of troops holds a defensive position in the face of overwhelming odds. The defensive force usually takes very heavy casualties or is completely destroyed, as happened at the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC. Troops may make a last stand due to a perceived duty; because they are defending a tactically crucial point; to buy time to enable a trapped army to escape, due to fear of execution if captured; or to protect their ruler or leader. Last stands loom large in history, as the heroism and sacrifice of the defenders exerts a large pull on the public's imagination. Some last stands have become a celebrated part of a fighting force's or a country's history.
Last stand - Wikipedia
Unless the GM is being deliberately deceptive.
Weeaboo-ness aside, a lightsaber is fonctionally identical to a very sharp sword. A noisy very sharp sword that you can't touch, so no two hands blocking with it.
Inaccurate, actually.
If the target uses chakra, it's possible for them to barehanded block a sword; we see Kabuto do this when he channels chakra to his hand to block Sasuke's sword during the Fourth War.

Speed and 3d mobility increase from the chakra cables achieves that goal.
We have Shisui's improved shunshin, at least in a lesser form.
Speed is not the issue.
And since we already can fly, mobility isn't either, as we demonstrated against Gaara.

More damage assuming it hits. Cables increase likelihood of actually hitting.
Actually, a homing technique that follows it's target increases the likelihood of actual hitting. Ask the US military why they invest so much in seeker technology. And I will point out that all that stuff you're claiming is stuff that chakra strings can already do; we see Chiyo use it that way when fighting Sasori, to tie down his puppet's tail, to move other objects to block blows.

We are facing the Sound Four(or Five, depending on if Kimimaro is active).
Two of them are either chakra absorbers(Jirobo) or create constructs that eat chakra(Tayuya).
External chakra constructs? NOT the best time.

They all just have large Chakra costs and cause massive collateral damage, as expected from anti-army techniques.
That's the difference with the Wind Dragon Barrage: It's seeking, and thus discriminating of who and where it kills.
You can use it to shape the battlefield, by herding hostiles out of some areas and into others where you can cut loose more freely.
Or to snipe enemy command groups.

This is important, because we are fighting in our own village, with lots of civilians and friendly ninja around.
We can't just throw overkill jutsu around willynilly; that's doing the Invasion's work for them.
There's a reason why we haven't unleashed the boss summon scroll we're lugging around on our back.

In my opinion,
Wind Dragon Barrage >> Blazing Chakra Flow > Chakra Cables

That said, entirely too many people are making wild claims about what this technique or that will do.
Chakra Cables is inspired by Mistborn, it's not the same thing. And there is certainly no intimation that it is anything like Walter's wires from Hellsing. Blazing Chakra Flow is a step towards future integration of multiple chakra flows, it's not literally a lightsaber. EDIT Not Scorch Release either.

At least noone's overselling Wind Dragon Barrage. Yet.
 
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"Used commonly" is not something that can be used to describe any Kekkei Genkai, unless you're talking specifically in the context of the group that has that Kekkei Genkai (e.g. the Yuki Clan).

I was referring to our potential use of Ice Chakra Flow with our weapon, rather than anything anybody else does - a potentially interesting gimmick, depending upon what it does, but not nearly as useful as Scorch Chakra Flow.

Also I should point out that different types of regular chakra flow have different effects. Earth does nothing but increase durability, for instance. Scorch, being "fire release but really hot" should work fine with chakra flow, but something like, say Storm Release?

It must be time to do Science! to find out what they do and how we can best take advantage of it. When we've advanced the seal that far, of course.

Its not a plasma edge yet. In a few upgrades, sure. Bur right now it's a wind/fire explosion. Unless you're saying activate that instead of the wind chakra flow, and then it's just a burning blade which only matters if we cut them in the first place. Something our normal blade justu does much much better anyway.

I know it isn't a plasma edge yet; I explained what I consider it to be right now farther up the post you quoted, and you happen to agree with me. I'm amused.

Yes, right now 'all' the Blazing Chakra Flow is is a wind/fire explosive effect on demand (as far as we can tell), something that normally takes a team (whether other people, shadow clones, or thread monsters) or two techniques fired off one after the other - both of which are harder to arrange for than this, which adds a new damage type to our basic attacks - we can now blow stuff up with a swing of our sword, in addition to cutting stuff in twain.

Yes, right now 'all' the Chakra Cables do is make us budget Spider-Man. True, it can be used to extend the use of our Flight and Jump techniques, and it'll be something new - I don't think anybody else uses Chakra Cables, most people no doubt stick to more advanced and subtle uses of Chakra Strings.

In all honesty, the most immediately powerful move we could pick up is the Wind Dragon Barrage, because it provides a tool we don't have yet - a fire-and-forget homing ranged attack - but it's outpaced by the potential of the Chakra Cables (even as just 'push and pull', that will allow for a lot of fun tricks), and the clear and obvious power of the Blazing Chakra Flow in the intermediate term, let alone the long term.

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Will any of the other options cook us dinner? I didn't think so.

Blaze Chakra Flow can do that one, buddy, stop misrepresenting it! It can't do anything else, but it's a mean cook. Just ask it!
 
If it is a physical chakra string that can trip you, you can also pull on it. They might be able to dissipate it, but it has to be physical to even work.
If chakra strings aren't physical it wouldn't be able to move anything at all.
If something is pulling against you, you can pull back.
That's a basic application of how force works.
Chiyo vs Sasori vs Kankuro vs Tenten vs everybody else they fought denies this.
I mean, there are almost certainly people who have some kind of explosion reflecting technique, considering explosions are one of Iwa's things, so...
Most of them just tank it because "my chakra's stronger, hehe"
Chakra Cables is inspired by Mistborn, it's not the same thing. And there is certainly no intimation that it is anything like Walter's wires from Hellsing. Blazing Chakra Flow is a step towards future integration of multiple chakra flows, it's not literally a lightsaber.
allusions are a means of conveying ideas. Doesn't matter if they're not the same if using the rules of the universe they can logically do the same things.
At least noone's overselling Wind Dragon Barrage. Yet.
Wind Dragon Barrage is totally an island buster! We should grab it guys! :V
Eh, why not. Send a dozen of them in and then detonate them with a fireball. One pair very nearly killed a Sannin clone when cast by not-chunnin.
 
[X] The Last Stand of Sakura Haruno
[X] Sealing Art: Blazing Chakra Flow.
This jutsu formula, applied to your blade, allows you to add fire-natured chakra to your chakra flow at the moment of impact. Future development could allow the true combination of various types of chakra flow.
 
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