Remove ads

RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Reader mode
A friendly reminder to new questers to read the Informational threadmarks and FAQ specifically before asking a question. Links below:

Frequently Asked Questions
Here is the Detailed Rune List
Discord.

On Thread Etiquette:
I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
Last edited:
EVA-Saiyajin said:
All this talk of a golem has done nothing but severely put me off it.

People and their precious wunderwaffen...it's pissing me off, honestly. It's that kind of thinking that has us just doing research forever and never using it.

Be more open-minded, please.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
We have not done that. Really I don't know why we seem to hate using our traits.
 
BungieONI said:
Not sure if you were saying Adamant is a Tier 5 material or if you were referring to the heart here, my current thinking is if Pure Gromril is T3 then Adamant being T4 would make sense given that its the next step in refining Gromril. Especially for accounting how producing it will be very difficult even once we figure out how to make it, and that means that its stuff that is basically limited to one region, Kraka Drakk's territories. And that seems to fit the T4 qualifications when one includes its power.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I don't know. Laihtero, the next level of refinement, might well be even rarer than the Greedy Heart.
 
BungieONI said:
Not sure if you were saying Adamant is a Tier 5 material or if you were referring to the heart here, my current thinking is if Pure Gromril is T3 then Adamant being T4 would make sense given that its the next step in refining Gromril. Especially for accounting how producing it will be very difficult even once we figure out how to make it, and that means that its stuff that is basically limited to one region, Kraka Drakk's territories. And that seems to fit the T4 qualifications when one includes its power.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yeah Adamant is probably T4. T5 would be that thing above it.
 
BungieONI said:
.... Yes? Which would put Laihtero at T5. Neatly putting Gromril at every tier except mundane.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Fair, as Tier 5 seems like it might be very broad.

I'd be impressed at the kind of masterpiece you could make with multiple tier 5 ingredients. Ideally you'd want three, but I can't see where we'd get a third from yet.
 
But the T4 I give is just for Adamant alone and I would say it's as high a T4 as T4 can get. Same with Laihtero for T5. Both are absurdly unique. It's just that Adamant is something Runelords CAN potentially make more than once so I'd say T4 before considering what its used to make.

Like say I'd say Ghal Maraz was probably Adamant instead of Pure Gromril. The power invested in it over that made it what it is. Laihtero CANT take runes on top of it. The two examples are things in themselves with no add ins most probably add on to something pure conceptual law makes it no longer pure and so no longer Laihtero.

So I am guessing for top Runeable metal Adamant is it.
 
Last edited:
BungieONI said:
Not sure if you were saying Adamant is a Tier 5 material or if you were referring to the heart here, my current thinking is if Pure Gromril is T3 then Adamant being T4 would make sense given that its the next step in refining Gromril. Especially for accounting how producing it will be very difficult even once we figure out how to make it, and that means that its stuff that is basically limited to one region, Kraka Drakk's territories. And that seems to fit the T4 qualifications when one includes its power.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I was referring to the heart as the T5 material, but saying that if we want to use it we would want a high tier, like tier 4, material to use it with, I was thinking that Adamant would be T4 as well
 
Abhishek M said:
But the T4 I give is just for Adamant alone and I would say it's as high a T4 as T4 can get. Same with Laihtero for T5. Both are absurdly unique. It's just that Adamant is something Runelords CAN potentially make more than once so I'd say T4 before considering what its used to make.

Like say I'd say Ghal Maraz was probably Adamant instead of Pure Gromril. The power invested in it over that made it what it is. Laihtero CANT take runes on top of it. The two examples are things in themselves with no add ins most probably add on to something pure conceptual law makes it no longer pure and so no longer Laihtero.

So I am guessing for top Runeable metal Adamant is it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I think the quote is 'Dwarf Loremasters have speculated that Laihtero is Law in its purest form and that it will not accept magic enchantments of any kind' and there's only one weapon know to be forged from it. Speculation from the ignorant children that call themselves Loremasters in the Time of Woe is really neither here nor there. Particularly as Loremasters are not Runesmiths, and not initiated into the mysteries of Thungni's art.
 
Last edited:
Alratan said:
Fair, as Tier 5 seems like it might be very broad.

I'd be impressed at the kind of masterpiece you could make with multiple tier 5 ingredients. Ideally you'd want three, but I can't see where we'd get a third from yet.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Laihtero is completely impractical to make for this quest I think, since it takes a Runesmith's entire life to refine and the power of the Chaos Gods of Law, and we know we're effectively not going to die of age. Any masterpiece we try to make from Laihtero would take too bloody long in my mind.

Void Stalker said:
I would prefer rune metal as we likely want what it locks before making an item with the T5 Heart. And heart is a better choice for trickle research
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I am planning to just research the Heart and then sit on the knowledge you know? Its sort of not time sensitive what we research before the Heart, or after it since it can go anywhere with the kind of thought I have behind it and so its also kind of not time sensitive when we finish the Heart in my mind. I would like to do it next turn because of that, and because there is interest in it as well, but working on Rune Metal is fine too.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
All this talk of a golem has done nothing but severely put me off it.

People and their precious wunderwaffen...it's pissing me off, honestly. It's that kind of thinking that has us just doing research forever and never using it.

Be more open-minded, please.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Id be more sympathetic if you weren't strawmanning

This is a case where the "No One" meme legit applies. Save getting annoyed at people for pushing the concept for when theyre Actually pushing it
 
BungieONI said:
I am planning to just research the Heart and then sit on the knowledge you know? Its sort of not time sensitive what we research before the Heart, or after it since it can go anywhere with the kind of thought I have behind it and so its also kind of not time sensitive when we finish the Heart in my mind. I would like to do it next turn because of that, and because there is interest in it as well, but working on Rune Metal is fine too.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It is more that if we are setting a turn to put three actions on a project, rune metal gives us the best efficiency while heart we need three actions to finish so we could do that with 3 turns at 1 or a 2 action and 1 action turn while leaving the other actions for other uses. It is easier to fit Heart into turns we can't focus on research.
 
I think fundamental research like in metal, or in any of the other runic concepts is more important if we decide to go with research. In particular the heart is something that can be trickled with research, and not really something I think we should be doing anything with till more research in other subjects can be done. The rune metal helps potentially improve our craft and general abilities, and with the demons coming feels far more important than researching the heart.
 
soulcake said:
You look at the Rune inscribed keg of Stone Troll Blood curiously. Maybe? Hmm.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
How insane exactly is the regeneration of Warhammer Trolls? I know they have regeneration, but how severe is it? Cause in a Pathfinder campaign of mine there was the infamous troll blood transfusion. A warrior (me) thought it would be a pretty nifty idea to get troll blood in his veins so he could regenerate like the trolls do. Our sorcerer was good with medicinal stuff, one thing led to another, and two in game weeks later my character exploded in a bloody mess and there was a little troll in the gore pile.
 
LiamOfOrmonde said:
How insane exactly is the regeneration of Warhammer Trolls? I know they have regeneration, but how severe is it? Cause in a Pathfinder campaign of mine there was the infamous troll blood transfusion. A warrior (me) thought it would be a pretty nifty idea to get troll blood in his veins so he could regenerate like the trolls do. Our sorcerer was good with medicinal stuff, one thing led to another, and two in game weeks later my character exploded in a bloody mess and there was a little troll in the gore pile.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I don't think they're that crazy, but eating improperly prepared Troll parts might do a number on your insides as it expands and grows before the acid gets to the flesh.

And in Warhammer they can pretty well survive most things less than bifurcation and beheading even with cauterizing weapons. Some varieties have really insane regen though, like some variants of Chaos Troll.
 
Last edited:
Void Stalker said:
It is more that if we are setting a turn to put three actions on a project, rune metal gives us the best efficiency while heart we need three actions to finish so we could do that with 3 turns at 1 or a 2 action and 1 action turn while leaving the other actions for other uses. It is easier to fit Heart into turns we can't focus on research.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Not to mention that something like Rune Metal research which is implied to get us better versions of Gromril means that we are likely going to get much more use from the research tree. So the earlier the better. Unlike the heart option which may only let us create one single thing that will require multiple actions for whatever we use to make it.
 
BungieONI said:
Yeah, the research project for the heart is not a thing where if we do it we are immediately thrust into a situation of "And now you must do something with it."

It can sit in its cask for however long we need it to until we are ready to actually make something with it after we research it. Which is a situation I rather like, and not a lot of quests manage.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
that is true, but once we have it done, I expect people to want to use it. and I'd really rather have the gromril done first.
 
BungieONI said:
Some varieties have really insane regen though, like some variants of Chaos Troll.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yeah and let's not try to find out just how complete/good the regen of the Greedy One is? Seriously, the thing has been sitting in our workshop for ~70 years, happily beating away with no blood or any sources of nutrients etc. I do not want to find out the hard way that adding troll blood causes the heart to grow a new body.
 
LiamOfOrmonde said:
How insane exactly is the regeneration of Warhammer Trolls? I know they have regeneration, but how severe is it? Cause in a Pathfinder campaign of mine there was the infamous troll blood transfusion. A warrior (me) thought it would be a pretty nifty idea to get troll blood in his veins so he could regenerate like the trolls do. Our sorcerer was good with medicinal stuff, one thing led to another, and two in game weeks later my character exploded in a bloody mess and there was a little troll in the gore pile.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

were you to cut out a trolls gut the troll would die of starvation before it reintegrates
 
BungieONI said:
If there's no daemons next turn then I'll be pushing for researching things. Either the Heart or the Rune Metal.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I'd argue for the heart and/or the wuthrad (the wuthrad will help with almost everything it's a unique WOODEN resource that's going to be used in every axe, bolt/grudge thrower and more, understanding it is really important), the heart because it's only 3 actions and we could do another 1 action project along side it
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top