Renascence: A Homura Quest
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Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
[x] Explain
[x] Transform.
[x] Mami Tomoe, do you care for Kyouko? Do you place more value upon her life than that of a stranger? Do you value your own life above that of people you've never met?
-[x] If she says no to any of them, don't tell her. "There are some things that it is easier to live without knowing. This is one of them."
-[x] If she says yes to all of them, tell her to be ready to purify her soul gem. Then tell her everything, starting with what a soul gem really is.
[x] Be ready to fight her if necessary.
[x] Transform.
[x] Mami Tomoe, do you care for Kyouko? Do you place more value upon her life than that of a stranger? Do you value your own life above that of people you've never met?
-[x] If she says no to any of them, don't tell her. "There are some things that it is easier to live without knowing. This is one of them."
-[x] If she says yes to all of them, tell her to be ready to purify her soul gem. Then tell her everything, starting with what a soul gem really is.
[x] Be ready to fight her if necessary.
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OK, response.
We can't evade the question entirely. Even if we can ignore it right now, it's the type of thing that would pop up in her head when talking with Kyuubey, and she'd ask him, and he'd tell her the truth, and, well...
Maybe something like: "Well, you can imagine the kind of damage a magical girl could do if she went completely over the edge, right?"
Except that directly conflicts with the idea of Kyuubey not interfering with the situation.
However LightMage's comment lends itself towards blending with that, and gives the feel that the Kyuubey issue was addressed while still skirting the issue.
Also want to add something to try to bring the discussion back to the present day, instead of linger on Kyouko's past.
[x] Well, you (Mami) can imagine the kind of damage a magical girl could do if she went completely over the edge, right? Well Kyubey covers it up as some kind of 'disaster' ... or he doesn't if it'll suit his interests more. Either way, dying or going mad has fallout. Let's avoid either of those outcomes, alright?
[x] What's past is past. We're not going to let you (Kyouko) go; yeah?
Edit: Added notes for who's being addressed.
We can't evade the question entirely. Even if we can ignore it right now, it's the type of thing that would pop up in her head when talking with Kyuubey, and she'd ask him, and he'd tell her the truth, and, well...
Maybe something like: "Well, you can imagine the kind of damage a magical girl could do if she went completely over the edge, right?"
Except that directly conflicts with the idea of Kyuubey not interfering with the situation.
However LightMage's comment lends itself towards blending with that, and gives the feel that the Kyuubey issue was addressed while still skirting the issue.
Also want to add something to try to bring the discussion back to the present day, instead of linger on Kyouko's past.
[x] Well, you (Mami) can imagine the kind of damage a magical girl could do if she went completely over the edge, right? Well Kyubey covers it up as some kind of 'disaster' ... or he doesn't if it'll suit his interests more. Either way, dying or going mad has fallout. Let's avoid either of those outcomes, alright?
[x] What's past is past. We're not going to let you (Kyouko) go; yeah?
Edit: Added notes for who's being addressed.
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Skarmory
Girl from the Black Lizard Planet
- Location
- Case Western Reserve University
I'm firmly of the belief that there's no way we can safely avoid telling some form of the truth here. Maybe we don't go full witch bomb, but we have to at the very least explain why Kyubey would benefit from letting Kyoko's father remember her MG activities. On the other hand, saying nothing will almost certainly result in Mami and Kyoko finding out the full truth at a time we can't control.
We also have to remember that we can't make Kyoko's trauma go away by talking to her, especially not that we knew that Kyubey could have prevented it but chose not to. We need to give Kyoko something to focus on other than the fact that Kyubey screwed her-some reason to keep pushing forward, some constructive goal instead of a anti-Kyubey rampage, a Tetrising, or witching out.
Tentative write in that I'm happy to pull if people find it lacking:
[x] Kyubey's kind have discovered a way to create energy from changes in human emotions. Each swing of ours between hope and despair creates a fountain of energy for Kyubey. It's why Kyubey grants us a wish before we make our contracts-a single moment of perfect joy. But that moment, like all good things, must come to an end, and when it does, Kyubey profits. He doesn't care for any of us, so long as his kind is collecting energy.
[x] I couldn't possibly understand what you're going through right now-nobody can know what you're thinking except you. But I do know that you're a fighter, Kyoko. I know that you won't take what Kyubey's done to your family lying down-that you won't break down and let him win.
[x] We can't change what Kyubey's done to us anymore. But we can stop Kyubey from tricking more people. The more contracts we can prevent, the more lives we can save from the same trauma we've experienced. Alone, I could never keep up with his efforts, but together...
We also have to remember that we can't make Kyoko's trauma go away by talking to her, especially not that we knew that Kyubey could have prevented it but chose not to. We need to give Kyoko something to focus on other than the fact that Kyubey screwed her-some reason to keep pushing forward, some constructive goal instead of a anti-Kyubey rampage, a Tetrising, or witching out.
Tentative write in that I'm happy to pull if people find it lacking:
[x] Kyubey's kind have discovered a way to create energy from changes in human emotions. Each swing of ours between hope and despair creates a fountain of energy for Kyubey. It's why Kyubey grants us a wish before we make our contracts-a single moment of perfect joy. But that moment, like all good things, must come to an end, and when it does, Kyubey profits. He doesn't care for any of us, so long as his kind is collecting energy.
[x] I couldn't possibly understand what you're going through right now-nobody can know what you're thinking except you. But I do know that you're a fighter, Kyoko. I know that you won't take what Kyubey's done to your family lying down-that you won't break down and let him win.
[x] We can't change what Kyubey's done to us anymore. But we can stop Kyubey from tricking more people. The more contracts we can prevent, the more lives we can save from the same trauma we've experienced. Alone, I could never keep up with his efforts, but together...
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Actualy, if we are willing to intentionally mislead, this can be solved easily enough.
[X] "It turns out that our emotional state and the state of our soul gems/amount of magic are tied together. If we become too unhappy, we start to lose magic until we run out, and you know what happens when we run out...
-[x] To Kyouko "Unless you have extreme faith in her, and no other choice, you will not tell her. In such an event, I will take the blame".
-[x] If pressed, we can straight up lie, and tailor it between "You lose your magic", "You might die", or just "You will die", depending on
how worried we are about her emotional resilience.
Don't quote me on this, but before Sayaka Witched, the stated reason for collecting grief seeds was either to stop the lose of magic, or to avoid death (I don't remember which one atm). Mami already has a built in excuse for why darkening soul gems are bad, we just have to tie it in to becoming unhappy. It is even truthfull, meaning Mami is a little more aware of the dangers and limits.
At the same time, this can, and probably will (because incubator needs his grief) come back to bite us in the ass. When the witch reveal is thrown out there by Kyuubey, there is the extra "you knew, and tried to hide it from me" for that extra trouble.
For right now, there is also the fact that Mami considers Kyuubey to be a good friend, one who stuck with her when literally no one else did. Assuming she doesn't just decide we are all full of shit, she now has to deal with that betrayal, the idea that he would Want the death of Kyouko's family for the purpose of killing her. At least Kyouko is there to soften the blow a bit, so this isn't too bad a time for this to happen. Sadly, there is shit all we can do to meaningfully influence this emotional Rollercoaster. Best leave it to Kyouko.
We told Kyouko where Witches come from earlier, right? Because I don't quite remember, and otherwise she wouldn't know.
Hey, dark though for you all. In timeline two, the one where Mami, shot Kyouko after the reveal, forcing Madoka to off her? Did they know exactly what a soul gem was at that point, without the Sayaka/Kyouko fight to spur the reveal? Because if not, Mami might have been hoping she could destroy the source of their magic without harming them, saving them from becoming witches. She might have had no idea she was killing her best friends.
[X] "It turns out that our emotional state and the state of our soul gems/amount of magic are tied together. If we become too unhappy, we start to lose magic until we run out, and you know what happens when we run out...
-[x] To Kyouko "Unless you have extreme faith in her, and no other choice, you will not tell her. In such an event, I will take the blame".
-[x] If pressed, we can straight up lie, and tailor it between "You lose your magic", "You might die", or just "You will die", depending on
how worried we are about her emotional resilience.
Don't quote me on this, but before Sayaka Witched, the stated reason for collecting grief seeds was either to stop the lose of magic, or to avoid death (I don't remember which one atm). Mami already has a built in excuse for why darkening soul gems are bad, we just have to tie it in to becoming unhappy. It is even truthfull, meaning Mami is a little more aware of the dangers and limits.
At the same time, this can, and probably will (because incubator needs his grief) come back to bite us in the ass. When the witch reveal is thrown out there by Kyuubey, there is the extra "you knew, and tried to hide it from me" for that extra trouble.
For right now, there is also the fact that Mami considers Kyuubey to be a good friend, one who stuck with her when literally no one else did. Assuming she doesn't just decide we are all full of shit, she now has to deal with that betrayal, the idea that he would Want the death of Kyouko's family for the purpose of killing her. At least Kyouko is there to soften the blow a bit, so this isn't too bad a time for this to happen. Sadly, there is shit all we can do to meaningfully influence this emotional Rollercoaster. Best leave it to Kyouko.
We told Kyouko where Witches come from earlier, right? Because I don't quite remember, and otherwise she wouldn't know.
Hey, dark though for you all. In timeline two, the one where Mami, shot Kyouko after the reveal, forcing Madoka to off her? Did they know exactly what a soul gem was at that point, without the Sayaka/Kyouko fight to spur the reveal? Because if not, Mami might have been hoping she could destroy the source of their magic without harming them, saving them from becoming witches. She might have had no idea she was killing her best friends.
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Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
Homura told them everything at the beginning of the loop. Nobody believed her.Hey, dark though for you all. In timeline two, the one where Mami, shot Kyouko after the reveal, forcing Madoka to off her? Did they know exactly what a soul gem was at that point, without the Sayaka/Kyouko fight to spur the reveal? Because if not, Mami might have been hoping she could destroy the source of their magic without harming them, saving them from becoming witches. She might have had no idea she was killing her best friends.
Stupid to skirt the issue.
Mami is currently worried because she doesn't know. You won't help with a half explanation - you'll make the problem worse.
Just tell her properly.
Mami is currently worried because she doesn't know. You won't help with a half explanation - you'll make the problem worse.
Just tell her properly.
Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
[x] "Mami Tomoe, there are truths in this world that are hard to bear. That make life difficult. I have seen girls like you driven to suicide by them, and I have seen girls like you driven to murder their own friends for the sake of 'mercy' or 'justice.'"
[x] Akemi Madness
[x] "Tell me, Mami Tomoe, do you value the life of your friend? Do you value your own life? Do you place them above the lives of strangers, of people you have never met and will never meet? If not, then it will be easier for you to progress through life without ever knowing the whole truth."
-[x] If she says no to any of them, but insists on knowing the truth, tell her about soul gems and how Kyubey gathers energy when they are formed and when they break.
-[x] If she says yes, tell her about soul gems, entropy, energy collection, and witches.
--[x] Be ready to stop time and restrain her if she shows signs of a breakdown.
[x] Akemi Madness
[x] "Tell me, Mami Tomoe, do you value the life of your friend? Do you value your own life? Do you place them above the lives of strangers, of people you have never met and will never meet? If not, then it will be easier for you to progress through life without ever knowing the whole truth."
-[x] If she says no to any of them, but insists on knowing the truth, tell her about soul gems and how Kyubey gathers energy when they are formed and when they break.
-[x] If she says yes, tell her about soul gems, entropy, energy collection, and witches.
--[x] Be ready to stop time and restrain her if she shows signs of a breakdown.
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[x] Hyp3rB14d3
@Hyp3rB14d3
Might I suggest taking advantage of the +10 Wordsmithing of Akemi Madness?
Also, thoughts on using Seductive Englishwoman as a backup plan if she goes all Tetris?
@Hyp3rB14d3
Might I suggest taking advantage of the +10 Wordsmithing of Akemi Madness?
Also, thoughts on using Seductive Englishwoman as a backup plan if she goes all Tetris?
Sasha
Not the Leader
- Location
- The Ever After
[q] "When a Soul Gem completely fills up with Grief the girl turns into a Witch."
-[q] "Every Witch you've ever killed? Used to be a MG."
--[q] "You may have even known some of them."
---[q] "Wanna play Tetris?"
On a more serious note:
[x] Hyp3rB14d3
-[q] "Every Witch you've ever killed? Used to be a MG."
--[q] "You may have even known some of them."
---[q] "Wanna play Tetris?"
On a more serious note:
[x] Hyp3rB14d3
Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
Good idea. Vote has been edited to include Akemi Madness.
Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
Using Akemi Madness at 235 Sanity? Akemi Homura: Driving herself insane to save her friends. Joking aside, doesn't Wordsmithing affect non-specific write-ins? Or am I mixing up mechanics?
- Location
- California
Popping on after binge reading this quest, I believe the QM said Wordsmithing only affects non-specific write ins. If our write in isn't as good as what wordsmithing would give us, we eat that consequence. If its better, the we benefit from it.
You don't call this non-specific?
- Location
- California
Those, those are non-specific. The parts before it though are specific though so if this blows up in our face we're basically telling Homura "Oh shit, hey, talk fast and get us out of this mess."
Indent Akemi Madness so that it only applies to the non-specific portions?
Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
Moved it down so we no longer lead with it.
ApocalypticFish
Been reflecting lately.
Actually, if Mami does place the lives of others before her own, then wouldn't she actually be more likely to kill everyone in the room? After all, as long as they're alive, they're a security risk to everybody in the city and possibly more. People in emotionally extreme situations tend to justify what they want/are going to do, so I'm not sure that she'd listen to the logic that despite the security risk we represent, we have to live on for as long as possible so as to prevent other things from attacking people.
If you trust her enough to not have an emotional breakdown right here and now, then sure, fine. I'm just suggesting that we change a few things, and maybe add an addendum that says to be ready just in case she breaks down.
If you trust her enough to not have an emotional breakdown right here and now, then sure, fine. I'm just suggesting that we change a few things, and maybe add an addendum that says to be ready just in case she breaks down.
Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
That's why we're giving her the edited version if she says she places the lives of others above herself.
I'd kind of assumed Homura would be ready for a breakdown already, considering that's why we followed her, but I can add that just in case.
- Location
- California
[X] Hyp3rB14d3
Now... there's some things bugging me about the whole 'PMMM's Soul and MGLN's Linker Core are connected' thing. Namely how, if possible, the magics could be related so... I wanna throw a Blue Truth or two out and see what I get in response. Mainly I'm worried about Kyubey seeing Nanoha (presuming she has the potential to contract) and going 'Hmm, this human, illogical as it is, can already produce vast amounts of magic. We should see how much energy she can make if she contracts'
The magic systems of PMMM and MGLN are effectively incompatible with each other due to the soul and linker core's relation to each other and how each system effects the particular aspect of a human they deal in.
Should that be true, it would naturally result in something like... this perhaps
Puella Magi and Mages are incapable of switching to each other's system easily, if at all. Either it is impossible (Example: Puella Magi have their souls manipulated by Incubators which destroys/cripples/renders any present Linker Core inert) or comes at a balancing cost (Example: A Mage that contracts with an Incubator would lose their Linker Core-based magic and connection to their devices in return for the power and shortcomings of life as a Puella Magi)
Well... lets see what kind of answer these get... Hopefully I'm just being paranoid.
Edit: deleted one out because I finally noticed that, herp derp, it was already asked and answered earlier...
Now... there's some things bugging me about the whole 'PMMM's Soul and MGLN's Linker Core are connected' thing. Namely how, if possible, the magics could be related so... I wanna throw a Blue Truth or two out and see what I get in response. Mainly I'm worried about Kyubey seeing Nanoha (presuming she has the potential to contract) and going 'Hmm, this human, illogical as it is, can already produce vast amounts of magic. We should see how much energy she can make if she contracts'
The magic systems of PMMM and MGLN are effectively incompatible with each other due to the soul and linker core's relation to each other and how each system effects the particular aspect of a human they deal in.
Should that be true, it would naturally result in something like... this perhaps
Puella Magi and Mages are incapable of switching to each other's system easily, if at all. Either it is impossible (Example: Puella Magi have their souls manipulated by Incubators which destroys/cripples/renders any present Linker Core inert) or comes at a balancing cost (Example: A Mage that contracts with an Incubator would lose their Linker Core-based magic and connection to their devices in return for the power and shortcomings of life as a Puella Magi)
Well... lets see what kind of answer these get... Hopefully I'm just being paranoid.
Edit: deleted one out because I finally noticed that, herp derp, it was already asked and answered earlier...
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ApocalypticFish
Been reflecting lately.
Akemi Madness might not actually be the best idea, now that I think about it.
After all, Mami's not the only problem here. Kyouko is currently attempting to get back up on her feet, and activating Akemi Madness might set off inner alarm bells. Reading over the post again, I think that it would be best to simply say that now's not the time. People say that sort of thing all the time, and right now, I'd think that Mami'd understand. Especially with Kyouko being as negative as she is right now.
Edit: Wait. Nevermind. Activating Akemi Madness might not have as much of an affect on Kyouko as I thought. She's not a victim of it this time.
After all, Mami's not the only problem here. Kyouko is currently attempting to get back up on her feet, and activating Akemi Madness might set off inner alarm bells. Reading over the post again, I think that it would be best to simply say that now's not the time. People say that sort of thing all the time, and right now, I'd think that Mami'd understand. Especially with Kyouko being as negative as she is right now.
Edit: Wait. Nevermind. Activating Akemi Madness might not have as much of an affect on Kyouko as I thought. She's not a victim of it this time.
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- Location
- Everywhere, Anywhere, Nowhere.
[x] Hyp3rB14d3
It seems like our best bet although Akemi Madness might be a risk with our current SAN level.
It seems like our best bet although Akemi Madness might be a risk with our current SAN level.