Alec was right. Sacrifice is when it is chosen and known. What happened to those poor twelve hundred people was not a sacrifice, but it was necessary and Alec is not cheapening the price by calling it a sacrifice, nor is he ignoring the worth of what was gained for their lives. Alec's answer to Worm and Ward is probably the best case scenario, yet the price was high.
 
This was good. Things aren't perfect, but reading it I could almost feel some of the stress melting off of Alchemist, even as he picked up some of his previous burdens. I don't know that I would call him healthy, but it felt better.
 
After a certain point, there's no difference whatsoever, and self-defense and avoidance are absolutely justified.

Personally, I'd be working on my own Gamer system or fully co-opting the current one and locking all the other admins out.
I mean I get what you mean but I think the premise your supposing is straight up retarded that he could make his own system with the power he got from the system. Also thats hes anywhere close to being able to make a system or that you could do so in his circumstance.
 
I mean I get what you mean but I think the premise your supposing is straight up retarded that he could make his own system with the power he got from the system. Also thats hes anywhere close to being able to make a system or that you could do so in his circumstance.
He has sympathetic magic that can tie a thing to another thing and then affect the first thing by affecting the second thing.

So, as an example, if he made a character sheet and tied it closely enough to someone, changing the person will change the character sheet and changing the sheet will change the person.
 
He has sympathetic magic that can tie a thing to another thing and then affect the first thing by affecting the second thing.

So, as an example, if he made a character sheet and tied it closely enough to someone, changing the person will change the character sheet and changing the sheet will change the person.
and the thing his gaia is connected too is probably literally omnipotent. Also he could you know just be banned or the gaia connected to sympathetic magic here could have defenses against this shit. No its still dumb.
 
If DC and Zeus are *Lucky* Alec will merely improve his things as opposed to looking to Out of Context the planet. He just got back from Worm- if he didn't decide to say fuck it and nuke the Earth with Meteor in a way to thumb his nose at Terra, he's more levelheaded than myself. I would at LEAST be borrowing one of Tiffany's later IDs to go ham on and destroy to be able to let off steam where it wouldn't hurt anyone else.
 
If Gaia is omnipotent, why is she locked up?
what are you talking about? The greater entity not terra tan she's an administrator. in early chapters its said that GAIA essentially hands out administrator positions to lesser off shoots of themselves. The greater GAIA is literally like every GAIA some of which are basically omnipotent if we're thinking general fiction.
 
Just letting you know you flubbed the link to some social media.

:eek2::facepalm::whistle:

Thanks for the heads up, it has been corrected now.

unlike the novels she'd read and wasn't going to tell Starfire about

Probably a really good idea, that. Starfire is certainly not the type to slut-shame or kink-shame (as long as everyone involved is suitable/capable of supplying meaningful consent), but at best she would likely not understand the kinks in those books and ask many questions about why you enjoy them (or don't), loudly and with no consideration of Raven's need for privacy.

At worst? She might (again, LOUDLY, REPEATEDLY and PUBLICLY) share completely unwanted and unnecessary insights into which one's work for her, and why, or if it's none of them (at least reasonably likely), offer up some of her own in return.

I'm not sure Raven is ever going to be comfortable with those sorts of discussions, even very discretely and privately. With anyone.

Raven looked down into the waters, unsure of herself.

She didn't know what she would do, in that situation.

But, for some reason?

Alchemist's answer was... somehow...

Comforting.

Of course Raven would find comfort from knowing there are others 'like her' that would make that choice if it came down to it. The idea that she is not the only one that would be willing to truly understand the costs involved in making a choice like that one and yet do it anyway. Like Al, she's the sort of person that would coldly and calmly look at that equation and then do what she needed to do to save as many as possible, before picking up the guilt and responsibility for each of those deaths and hanging them around her neck like an albatross heavier than most worlds.

She'd likely also never forgive herself for making that decision, nor stop punishing herself for it either. Which is where she and Al differ, because he most probably will forgive himself someday. Maybe. Eventually. She knows exactly how she would act if she had been in Al's figurative shoes in that moment, she just doesn't want to admit to herself that she could be that quickly and dispassionately decisive in a moment like that. Because she knows what that corrosive, whispering little voice in the back of her head would do with such free ammunition

Because saving the uncountable multitudes of an entire multiverse, for the cost of such a minuscule number that you'd lose it in the noise of basic fluctuations of everyday deaths in just the US alone (and one soul)? That's such a discount that it is effectively 'free' on the scale of these things. Only a monster or a very unusual fool would let an opportunity like that pass by without at least attempting to take it. And despite being so very harsh on, and desperately lacking faith in, herself, she would do the exact same thing.

Your comforted because you now know he will kill 1 person (you) rather then let a demon lord invade the world.

I mean, yeah, there's that too, but that's not truly why she's comforted, at most it's just the surface excuse for why it comforts her, which is stated (poorly) above: It's proof that she's not alone, or broken for being capable of making such a choice. There are people that are like that too, it's not just the monsters.
 
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also the dc earth isn't even terra-tan. Unless that changed in later chapters or something as I'm not caught up. Also dunno if the locked up thing is true of this dc earth. Though what do I know maybe it is.
 
"If you knew then what you do now?" the girl asked, unsure of what she wanted to hear. "Would you do it again?"

"...Yes," Alchemist admitted as he wrapped his arms around his legs and pulled them against his chest. "I'd rather find another way. I'd like to hope there's some perfect solution out there. But... if there isn't? If I have to weigh the lives of countless people against a -mere- twelve-hundred? I would do it again."
I doubt that is easy, probably needs to be divine in nature at the minimum. Just as anime has their own form of rules and drama, so does Worm. And Worm? It can be best described as, "Even if you win, you also always lose. There is no perfect happy ending."
 
He has sympathetic magic that can tie a thing to another thing and then affect the first thing by affecting the second thing.

So, as an example, if he made a character sheet and tied it closely enough to someone, changing the person will change the character sheet and changing the sheet will change the person.

In addition to what the other people are saying, it's heavily implied that the Gamer System has a fair number of investors, as it were, of equal or greater power to Gaia. So it is functionally at the level where mortals literally can't compete with it.
 
In addition to what the other people are saying, it's heavily implied that the Gamer System has a fair number of investors, as it were, of equal or greater power to Gaia. So it is functionally at the level where mortals literally can't compete with it.
also you know terra tan is a powerful but just lesser offshoot of the literal concept of gaia on an omniversal scale. I mean some versions of gaia already have universal levels of power like a fully unleashed dc gaia. But greater gaia should have some literal omnipotent offshoots much less all the power of all gaia everywhere. Given we've never seen greater Gaia in this entire fic so its a fairly moot point.
 
Someone over on Ao3 brought up that people likely wouldn't be familiar with where Leventhan came from or why Alchemist named his Juggernaut after it.

As such, a link will be added as an edit to the end of the chapter.

odinsphere.fandom.com

Leventhan

Leventhan is one of the four primary antagonist characters in the main storyline of erion saga book series, leventhan is the vile apocalyptic Dragon spoken of in the prophecies as the "being" that would destroy the world, despite leventhan is not a figure character, the dragon is counted as one...
 
say there any powers alchemist could get to reduce collateral to a certain area or prevent suicide attacks from being suicide? Heck an ability that would let whatever attacks he make only damage targets does that exist? Like being able to use meteor on a specific individual or small area?

I know something like a reality marble could do the first thing given author doesn't wanna touch nasuverse shit. But anything like that out there people can think of?
 
say there any powers alchemist could get to reduce collateral to a certain area or prevent suicide attacks from being suicide? Heck an ability that would let whatever attacks he make only damage targets does that exist? Like being able to use meteor on a specific individual or small area?

I know something like a reality marble could do the first thing given author doesn't wanna touch nasuverse shit. But anything like that out there people can think of?
There is Touhou, with its spellcards. There are individuals throwing around nuclear fire and everyone comes out relatively unscathed.
 
say there any powers alchemist could get to reduce collateral to a certain area or prevent suicide attacks from being suicide? Heck an ability that would let whatever attacks he make only damage targets does that exist? Like being able to use meteor on a specific individual or small area?

I know something like a reality marble could do the first thing given author doesn't wanna touch nasuverse shit. But anything like that out there people can think of?

Aside from False Swipe that he already has. Fire Emblem has a mercy skill which stops the unit killing enemies leaving them with 1 hp but I'd be careful with that since Radiant Dawn being the one that has it allows you to add and remove skills pretty much as you want but Al can't.

Fortunately Engage has it as a skill Elincia's S rank bond ring gives while equipped and as a bond ring and not an emblem ring it shouldn't need a jump for it. It's also a combat art called Subdue in Echoes and 3 houses but idk if Al could learn it because combat arts in Echoes are basically techniques imbued in the weapon the people of Valentia know how to draw out once they have history wielding them so it'd probably need a jump to learn that and in 3 houses it's learned by mastering the lord class which is exclusive to the 3 house leaders.

There is also the Touhou spellcard system which has it impossible to go lethal with, some magical girl stuff that does the same and I believe Monster magic from Undertale counts because it atks the spirit so it'll hurt but can't kill.
 
Aside from False Swipe that he already has. Fire Emblem has a mercy skill which stops the unit killing enemies leaving them with 1 hp but I'd be careful with that since Radiant Dawn being the one that has it allows you to add and remove skills pretty much as you want but Al can't.

Fortunately Engage has it as a skill Elincia's S rank bond ring gives while equipped and as a bond ring and not an emblem ring it shouldn't need a jump for it. It's also a combat art called Subdue in Echoes and 3 houses but idk if Al could learn it because combat arts in Echoes are basically techniques imbued in the weapon the people of Valentia know how to draw out once they have history wielding them so it'd probably need a jump to learn that and in 3 houses it's learned by mastering the lord class which is exclusive to the 3 house leaders.

There is also the Touhou spellcard system which has it impossible to go lethal with, some magical girl stuff that does the same and I believe Monster magic from Undertale counts because it atks the spirit so it'll hurt but can't kill.
can false swipe be used in tandem with other powers and does it only target individuals?
 
I just finished watching the 'Crisis in Infinite earths' movie, boy do the producers didn't touch their hearts when it was the time to kill universes, i wonder if we will be seeing Alchemist in the middle of a 'Crisis' like event or if he could survive such event.
 
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