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Ha! Soul of Cinder. The amalgamation of possibly millions of years of champion level souls? Experienced beyond imagination and powered directly by the, albeit near dead, First Flame?

Wotan, buddy, you are NOTHING in this UNIVERSE let alone against this thing. Rebirth? In Dark Souls? The whole Souls universe is a testimate to it's failures. He is so doomed it almost isn't funny.

But so's Alchemist. Lore accurate Soul of Cinder would not be beneath the attention of Dormammu, and if it wasn't so necrotic from aeons of nature defying rebirth, would be a credible threat to him. I'd say that this thing has forgotten more about magic than the entire collected knowledge of mortal magic users in DC, counting all its incarnations, but it can't forget things.

That's not even mentioning Gwyns souls coming to the surface in phase two. That's a bonafide, primordial divine soul.

Tracy must've been really REALLY angry to go here
 
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Rockinalice said:
I honestly don't know how Ivy an the Injustice league survived after a stunt like this. There Is no way that multiple Governments around the world wouldn't have sent Assassins (or Spec Ops Snipers) to kill every member of the Injustice league especially Count Vertigo after this stunt. Most Governments would be Baying for their Blood an would never let the USA be the only ones to decide their Fate.

especially Since using those plants and smelex would be considered War Crimes which means they would be judged by an International Tribunal not a USA court. Added on the the fact that Diplomatic immunity would not help any of them escape from persecution Especially since they've all been Captured.
Me thinks most of them are about to get the Death Penalty Because there's no way the villains can put pressure on the government to not kill them because there's no way any of the people in office would keep their jobs or Reputation if they let them go
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yes but the US isnt beholden to any international court

Kris-71854 said:
One way that you could look at it is that Terra is sending her player into others' sandboxes. It was implied that she had outright control of a few. It's becoming clear that she might have fibbed or doesn't have nearly as much direct control as she claimed.

Also, she might consider alts of herself as her controlling a setting. Either way, once her player gets over there, the local system admin can issue whatever quests they like.

It could be that alts of herself just have admin access to his system by default. She doesn't really see a reason to remove that. It's still mostly in his best interest for that to be there.

His system hasn't been hacked by a local god or system admin and them start issuing quests, yet. I've a feeling that they'd need to work within his existing system framework.

Wotan's danger senses should be going off the scale. Alchemist just needs to tell WW that it is safe to actually kill Wotan here. Wotan would be stunned when she actually starts going all out and kills Wotan.
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my understanding its kinda like the endless from DC, they have independent aspects, but they are all still beholden to the prime
 
Mister Ficser said:
Wotan waved his hands in a circle in the air causing shimmering balls of light to form around him.

In an instant they ignited, screaming towards the ground!

Alchemist braced himself... But they flew right past him.

Past Kar'Yashlan and Wonder Woman, too.

And into the crowd of screaming onlookers behind them. A crowd half-comprised of children.
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Oof. Alchemist really needs to invest in Counterspell at some point. Not only would it prevent something like this from happening, but it would be a strong first line of defense against other spellcasters. Blocking is fine, dodging is better, but better to just stop the spell from casting in the first place.

Best of all, almost every version of the spell is relatively low-level, so he shouldn't have much trouble buying it from the Shop.
 
prussiangrandier said:
yes but the US isnt beholden to any international court
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But they do have death penalty, and if things go "smoothly" it's possible the Injustice League get the electric chair. What they did is international terrorism, with chemical and biological weapons, and that's on top of their previous crimes as supervillains.
And if things don't go smoothly, there's the possibility Alchemist just deal with them himself...

Wich also make wonder if Alchemist ever gonna just snap and go destroy the Light himself ? With all the atrocities they commit it's possible he just decide to end them for good...
 
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Mister Ficser said:
The first spell Wotan thought of was lightning. Quick and painful. Perfect for this foolish boy!

It hit Alchemist and the man jerked in place! He twitched, struggling to stay on his feet-

"Nn, yeah! Harder!" Alchemist... Grunted. Gutturaly.
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right, it's abit hard to tell his total, but with gear isn't he above 100% for lightning?
Trixy said:
But they do have death penalty, and if things go "smoothly" it's possible the Injustice League get the electric chair. What they did is international terrorism, with chemical and biological weapons, and that's on top of their previous crimes as supervillains.
And if things don't go smoothly, there's the possibility Alchemist just deal with them himself...

Wich also make wonder if Alchemist ever gonna just snap and go destroy the Light himself ? With all the atrocities they commit it's possible he just decide to end them for good...
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except for the guy with diplomatic immunity, who just becomes non grata to the world since he has enough control to keep it from getting revoked.
 
prussiangrandier said:
yes but the US isnt beholden to any international court
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Yeah but if you think that's going to stop the rest of the world from screwing the US if they refuse
Inbetweenaction said:
except for the guy with diplomatic immunity, who just becomes non grata to the world since he has enough control to keep it from getting revoked.
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Odds are Vertigo plane is going to be Shot down by all of the country's he has to fly over to get back home, if you think the World cares about DI when You are known International terrorist who Flonted on worldwide television, who has killed thousands of Civilians of alot of country's especially in Russia an China. That man an the whole Injustice league are Dead people walking
since There is likely to be huge bounties put on all of their heads by various governments around the world not even including rich people who had their family members killed from this and so on and so forth.
This doesn't even include any black Ops organizations That they won't send because they obviously don't exist but if Such organizations did exist they may have gotten orders to visit very particular individuals and make sure they never trouble anybody ever again.
 
And don't forget any villains or warlords who now have a MASSIVE grudge against them. The bounties on those heads will be PHENOMENAL by now. More so later, when and/or if Klarion is a moron and kills most of the world's children. The international rage will be utterly incandescent.
 
Lycanthromancer said:
And don't forget any villains or warlords who now have a MASSIVE grudge against them. The bounties on those heads will be PHENOMENAL by now. More so later, when and/or if Klarion is a moron and kills most of the world's children. The international rage will be utterly incandescent.
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i legitimately believe that it wanst given as much attention as it should have gotten in the story, Klarion could potentially have killed millions of children, he literally should be considered worst then Hitler by modern humanity
 
prussiangrandier said:
i legitimately believe that it wanst given as much attention as it should have gotten in the story, Klarion could potentially have killed millions of children, he literally should be considered worst then Hitler by modern humanity
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Also all the other Wizards that helped him with the Ritual,
Honestly if the Justice League ever wanted to screw over the light that's all they should have done is just gotten evidence to prove who the light members were and that they gave the order for the child's Earth scenario to happen, they all would have been Dead Men walking an no matter of resources they would of all had to leave Earth if they wanted to continue living.
 
Red_Faux said:
He is so doomed it almost isn't funny.

But so's Alchemist.
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That's the great part about the base quest - Al doesn't need to succeed and get the item to accomplish his goal for coming here. He just needs to off Wotan, and say "woops! Instant Quest failed! Home I go!" and then leave with his party. And not Wotan.

The local admin adding a side-quest complicates things, but unless that side-quest also requires beating the Soul of Cinder, then there's no need to even try fighting it.
 
There's actually some fun symbolism (mystically) for Alchemist "The champion of the Earth" being sent to smother the "Cinders".

After all, pouring dirt over a dying fire is one of the safest ways to kill it.
 
clonezero said:
Is Cross Breed Priscilla still alive during DS3's time? I think there was a girl that looked like her in the game. In any case, I hope they get saved.
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She is unfortunately dead. Possibly her kid? Descendent? Is the painting lady that has Gael go and hunt humanity for the dark soul so she can create the next world.

There is someone that is similar to her in Yorshka but she's locked in a tower near the god eater so she's just about the worst off she could be.

My question is with how many 'legendary weapons' there are in DS3 does Alchemist have to do instant quests for all of them or can he kill the bosses and use soul transposition now that he's in the world?

Would Diana fight him for the Moonlight Greatsword? She might wanna sacrifice it to Artemis which would be kind of funny.
 
Captain Spatula said:
My question is with how many 'legendary weapons' there are in DS3 does Alchemist have to do instant quests for all of them or can he kill the bosses and use soul transposition now that he's in the world?
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It would seem that he doesn't. Frankly, the Instance Quest system is more than a little broken, as we've seen. He's not confined to any specific "quest area" or otherwise restricted from travelling. As long as he completes the quest, he can apparently do whatever he wants.
 
Mister Ficser said:
We still haven't found a good way to patch your whole 'Turn them to stone and smuggle them out' trick.
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Can't she tag them in a way that keeps the tag even when the creature turns into stone? That way she can just put a "can't get out" tag on it and presto.

Or just make them immune to being turned into stone/objects and call it a day.
 
In before The First Flame is a valid target for Wotan's rebirth...

On the topic of civil retaliation against Injustice League? That kinda isn't a thing in D.C.? I mean, nations sometimes act, but pretty much only if they got involved at the beginning of a story? It seems pretty clear that, barring the narrative explicitly making a thing of it being the case otherwise, the general public and their institutions are firmly of the belief that they should just leave this sort of thing to the outerunderwear gang. It is a different world with different conventions and expectations, so using our own sensibilities doesn't really work...
 
Did Campione! ever get a videogame? That golden sword that attacks divinity directly and gets more effective the more secret information the caster knows about the target would be insane in the hands of someone with a Gamer's outside context knowledge.
 
Oh yay, we finally get to the point of the story I want to have some serious discussions on.

Mainly, this segment right here with the situation they are in shows just how misalligned Als Goals are with what The League sans Batman think they are.

This was the perfect chance for Al to straight up nope a situation where he knows a LOT of people die. But instead it feels like he's still sandbagging and forcing the healing contract.

Sure taking out Wotan might prevent the Flip and millions dying. But here and now he's still not really taking things seriously.
 
DamienGale said:
Sure taking out Wotan might prevent the Flip and millions dying. But here and now he's still not really taking things seriously.
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Part of his strategy is to make intelligent foes (especially those stronger than him -- or that he thinks are stronger) so flustered or angry or otherwise seriously upset that they start making mistakes that he can capitalize on.

It's psychological warfare, and it's worked reasonably well thus far.
 
Do you think countries tried to kill villains but the Ra's Al Gul or someone similar had the person who sign that order assassinated or something? I mean if you know that killing so signing the death of that person would put a target on your back would you still kill them? Would other villains stop the execution from happening to make a statement? I mean it could be hand waved, it could be psychics doing something, it could be magic, blackmail or a hundred other reasons... or a combination...
 
DamienGale said:
Oh yay, we finally get to the point of the story I want to have some serious discussions on.

Mainly, this segment right here with the situation they are in shows just how misalligned Als Goals are with what The League sans Batman think they are.

This was the perfect chance for Al to straight up nope a situation where he knows a LOT of people die. But instead it feels like he's still sandbagging and forcing the healing contract.

Sure taking out Wotan might prevent the Flip and millions dying. But here and now he's still not really taking things seriously.
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We as readers are aware of Alchemists goals. He's honestly just a random human who 'lucked' into the powers and opportunities he has and just wants to live a relatively normal life. He doesn't have that intrinsic trait that is common in comics, he isn't drawn to heroics or villainy. I don't think anyone in universe realises right now that Alchemist would be content living out in the boonies playing with his magic, slowly exploring new worlds and gradually expending his repertoire of spells.

It'd probably take someone versed in magic and being psychic themselves to realise what's up with him. Probably after he transforms into his void dragon form and they have that epiphany of "oh, he's an outsider, he's not insane" and with how 'limited' (as opposed to Justice League Unlimited) the Leagues roster is right now they don't really have someone that hits that niche.

Jinx gets it. She knows Alchemist is just some guy. He's content, which seems like it's own superpower in DC.
 
Cindar said:
Do you think countries tried to kill villains but the Ra's Al Gul or someone similar had the person who sign that order assassinated or something? I mean if you know that killing so signing the death of that person would put a target on your back would you still kill them? Would other villains stop the execution from happening to make a statement? I mean it could be hand waved, it could be psychics doing something, it could be magic, blackmail or a hundred other reasons... or a combination...
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The Light can operate with something that very few governments can, speed. They've also been shown to have control of multiple governments in the U.N. through various underhanded tactics which included bribery, body doubles both clones and robotic and, yes, psychic manipulation. While assassinations do happen, they tend to use the threat of such to mask their other activities.

The speed at which Vertigo was extradited to his home country is, in any other circumstance, absolutely insane. It help to solidify the idea that the Light has subverted as many countries as possible into (Greater) incompetence than normal.

Imagine the BMV but writ large.

As to Alchemist and the Light itself- He's never made any effort to hide the fact that he's terrified of them. And, worse, what's behind them.

At the moment, Vandal Savage is playing a long game with Darkseid. The New God was impressed with the Ancient Hero when he came to invade in the distant past and they came to an agreement. One in which Darkseid would hold back his machinations on Earth so that Vandal could raise it into an empire that would offer Darkseid a decent challenge.

Removing Vandal would open the door for Darkseid and, for all that Alchemist has empowered himself, he knows he can't take Apokolips. The man has actually kept himself more mortal than he otherwise could be so that, in the event he may be captured, he'll still have at least one means of escape.
 
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