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Project: Gamer Ver. 2 (Young Justice/Gamer/Multicross OC)

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Leslie called Player One and talked to her after his mom sent her off. We have no idea what he told her about the situation but he definitely isn't a fan of Alchemist considering the whole f***ing his mom threat, so he might of told her stuff in a negative light that sent her after him. Remember we've only seen things from Alchemist's point of view so we don't have all the facts.
 
Jonnoda said:
This whole "It's alchemists fault, lets all shit on him for it. What did he do? Who the fuck cares?" thing is beginning to wear out its welcome. Seriously, Player One barges in and attacks Alchemist with lethal or at least harmful intent, he doesn't even defend himself, and somehow HE's the inflammatory agent? He's the one whos getting kicked out of his home?

Not the girl who attacked him? Whatever the fuck Black Canary is smoking she better be called up on that shit soon, cause the sheer level abuse and suspicion being directed at Alchemist is getting a bit much now to let go unremarked on.
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Except that didnt happen. No one kicked Alchemist out, he went outside on his own without speaking to anyone then left to help cleanup. We have little to suggest that Black Canary is blaming this entire thing on Alchemist, just that she, correctly, said his presence would be inflammatory to the current situation and that she isnt on friendly terms with him (dislike which he earned). Calming things down with the emotionally overwhelmed, superpowered teenager and group of confused teammates who had no idea whats going on before bringing everyone back together is the right call. We also heard that Robin and Aqualad were on Alchemist's side.

Black Canary is a shit therapist, but the call to put Alchemist in therapy was the right one. His overreaction to her misdiagnosing him is plenty reason for her to dislike him. His catalog of issues is plenty of reason for Canary to not want her ward interacting with him. His personality is absolutely inflammatory and aggravating and reason not to drag him back into a heated situation. Black Canary's done nothing wrong beside be a bad therapist.

This thread is honestly baffling me with how much people think Alchemist is unjustly hated on. Dude is an unhelpful troll in his every interaction and shockingly that causes issues. Especially when misunderstandings occur that he either directly caused or should have seen coming and headed off.

Just look at this chapter. Alchemist never told the team what was going on and what his plans were. Player One knew nothing except that something had been wearing her boyfriends body for months and now she isnt even allowed to talk to him. We know the assault was undeserved, but look at it from her point of view. He absolutely deserved some harsh words at least from his failure to communicate there. Likewise he earned Jinx's fairly mild reproachment for making her think he died. Kid Win was pranked last time they interacted, but doesnt actually do anything outside mentally wanting to punch Alchemist. Which its a totally reasonable feeling as long as he doesnt act on it. Pranks suck and again, Alchemist is a troll in basically every interaction he has with people. Thats everyone that Alchemist spoke with this chapter.
 
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pareus said:
Except that didnt happen. No one kicked Alchemist out, he went outside on his own without speaking to anyone then left to help cleanup. We have little to suggest that Black Canary is blaming this entire thing on Alchemist, just that she, correctly, said his presence would be inflammatory to the current situation and that she isnt on friendly terms with him (which he kinda earned). Calming things down with the emotionally overwhelmed, superpowered teenager and group of confused teammates who had no idea whats going on before bringing everyone back together is the right call. We also heard that Robin and Aqualad were on Alchemist's side.

This thread is honestly baffling me with how much people think Alchemist is unjustly hated on. Dude is an unhelpful troll in his every interaction and shockingly that causes issues. Especially when misunderstandings occur that he either directly caused or should have seen coming and headed off.

Just look at this chapter. Alchemist never told the team what was going on and what his plans were. Player One knew nothing except that something had been wearing her boyfriend's body for months and now she isnt even allowed to talk to him. We know the assault was undeserved but look at it from her point of view. He absolutely deserved some harsh words at least from his failure to communicate there. Likewise, he earned Jinx's fairly mild reproached for making her think he died. Kid Win was pranked last time they interacted, but doesnt actually do anything outside mentally wanting to punch Alchemist. It its a totally reasonable feeling as long as he doesnt act on it. Pranks suck and again, Alchemist is a troll in basically every interaction he has with people. Thats everyone that Alchemist spoke with this chapter.
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You're right and this is from his point of view so there might be bias. However, Al does what he intends to do and doesn't go out of the boundary he or anyone has set. He stated clearly from the beginning that he is a contract worker and just a resident of the mountain. He isn't their teammate or anything beyond that.
However, Al is an asshole he could have still have made better relationships with the people around him and I usually don't want to excuse that kind of behavior but he was in a depressed, suicidal teen body. Just came back from death and is mentally ok enough that he doesn't go mad. Him being an ass is likely the best outcome
 
Pattern Recognition at superhuman levels actually sounds like a pretty powerful power ngl. Any spells that Alchemist can learn to get that power? I'm coming up with blanks on any spells that alchemist could buy that give that power
 
I mean sufficient high levels of Wis will do that all on its own although something like a deductive reasoning skill would help
 
pareus said:
Except that didnt happen. No one kicked Alchemist out, he went outside on his own without speaking to anyone then left to help cleanup. We have little to suggest that Black Canary is blaming this entire thing on Alchemist, just that she, correctly, said his presence would be inflammatory to the current situation and that she isnt on friendly terms with him (dislike which he earned). Calming things down with the emotionally overwhelmed, superpowered teenager and group of confused teammates who had no idea whats going on before bringing everyone back together is the right call. We also heard that Robin and Aqualad were on Alchemist's side.
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*Man beats up a female coworker, female coworker removes herself from the situation, explicitly doesn't tell people connected to the person who just attacked her where she's going*

*Police enter the scene*

Police: Sir, I heard you beat that woman.

Man: It was her fault officer, I did some bad things and she didn't tell me about things going on in her private life that would affect me. I had to find out about them from the consequences afterwards.

Police: Oh, well that's fine then, I don't like her much anyway so I'm sure she did something to justify it anyway. I'll go talk to a judge and get a temporary restraining order on her so she can't come home later either. I know you don't live here and won't be staying here, but her actions, the ones that caused you to beat her, may have upset her room mates, so she deserves to be homeless for at least the night, and since she's not one for straight answers, being totally transparent at all times, and likes to joke around I don't think anyone will disagree. Oh, two of her room mates are? Well, it's not all of them so order stands.

Yeah, the circumstances don't line up perfectly, but that's what you're saying is okay here. You realise that right?

pareus said:
Likewise he earned Jinx's fairly mild reproachment for making her think he died.
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He earned it by... not realising that his ritual would tell her he died? What? How was he supposed to know it would happen in the first place? He'd never had it happen before. It was an accident, and he apologised, but he wouldn't have deserved being assaulted by her like she said she was almost willing to either.
 
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Frescko said:
Pattern Recognition at superhuman levels actually sounds like a pretty powerful power ngl. Any spells that Alchemist can learn to get that power? I'm coming up with blanks on any spells that alchemist could buy that give that power
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I think there are a few spells in the D&D divination school of magic that might allow it , if not the kind of spells the schools has indicate that such a spell could be developed as it would be within the scale of things the school has accomplished
 
Oh wow, they were actually dating? I thought it was just a crush. That Dave thing must've been even more of a gut punch than I'd thought.
 
that book...is both worrysome and awesome...elder scrolls has one of the better thought out magic systems with abilities all along the scale from "clean some dust away" all the way up to "I am a God of my own demi-plane and can pull that into the real world". on the other hand it's also a Magic system with a LOT of Dark Magic.
 
chinlamp said:
*Man beats up a female coworker, female coworker removes herself from the situation, explicitly doesn't tell people connected to the person who just attacked her where she's going*

*Police enter the scene*

Police: Sir, I heard you beat that woman.

Man: It was her fault officer, I did some bad things and she didn't tell me about things going on in her private life that would affect me. I had to find out about them from the consequences afterwards.

Police: Oh, well that's fine then, I don't like her much anyway so I'm sure she did something to justify it anyway. I'll go talk to a judge and get a temporary restraining order on her so she can't come home later either. I know you don't live here and won't be staying here, but her actions, the ones that caused you to beat her, may have upset her room mates, so she deserves to be homeless for at least the night, and since she's not one for straight answers, being totally transparent at all times, and likes to joke around I don't think anyone will disagree. Oh, two of her room mates are? Well, it's not all of them so order stands.

Yeah, the circumstances don't line up perfectly, but that's what you're saying is okay here. You realise that right?



He earned it by... not realising that his ritual would tell her he died? What? How was he supposed to know it would happen in the first place? He'd never had it happen before. It was an accident, and he apologised, but he wouldn't have deserved being assaulted by her like she said she was almost willing to either.
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Im not getting how you can read the whole 'inflammatory thing' as Black Canary saying he couldnt enter the entire mountain instead of just the room where she is dealing with P1. Especially for an entire night rather than just until P1 is calmed down. We dont actually see Black Canary in this chapter. We dont know what is going on with all of them at the moment.

With Jinx-- Yes, she isnt entitled to his plans and he can be excused for not knowing it would send out that message, but people have emotions and social interaction doesnt run on cold logic. All she did was mention she wanted to punch him and was angry with him though, a pretty reasonable reaction to finding out someone accidentally put you through that much emotional stress. Im not saying she is in the right, just that Jinx isnt coming from nowhere. I was responding to a post saying everyone was hating on Alchemist for no reason and making stuff up that didnt happen in the story.
 
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theaceoffire said:
I did some straight-up necromancy over here! I contacted Gods, Death herself, and built myself my own goddamn new body!

//Yeah but I'm sad I'm going to punch you now!

...Is no one else interested in the fact that I literally just pulled my own body out of nowhere and manipulated death itself!?

//Look we're just going to have to ask you to go away for a while. Thinking is hard and we don't want to do it.

I mean... All right? I guess I'm going to be homeless again. This sucks just as bad as the last time I had a new body.
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This is very true but also a solid excuse for getting Alchemist to do his own thing away from the ball of teenage histrionics. So win win.

Sure, Dinah looks both blind and petty but that's just reinforcing her behavior so far. I honestly kind of like the idea that you don't have to be a good person to be a real hero.

The rest of the teens are the same people we've seen already so far and I would like exposure to more cast members / settings pretty please.
 
I probably should have been more obvious when I was setting it up.

The key piece I gave out was in chapter 30 where she talks about how she got her power. Where she mentions getting her power after the worst week of her life, and hunting down the gangs because she was looking for someone.
 
PoopyheadPiero said:
She never got arrested... i think her friends did tho
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First post.

Mister Ficser said:
"About what? About what!" She started shouting at him, her eyes barely on the road. "Tiffany calls me crying because she's been arrested and she's terrified about her parents finding out! She said you got everyone arrested!"
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Note how Tiffany is blaming Leslie to his mother here, and focusing the reason they got arrested on him. Hell, his mother is super angry at him and, as noted in story, damn near manhandling Leslie into the car after getting him from the police station so she can properly yell at him for doing so, and he has to explain to his mother what happened. Which means Tiffany lied about why they were arrested to Leslie's mother, and made it seem like a bad prank that Leslie played on them, because that's the only reason I can think of why his mother would be angry at him from the get go and putting the blame on him.
 
Wow, I forgot why I didn't read the comments. Quickly remembered THAT.

Love the chapter, Ficser, everyone seems very consistently characterized and I love the social interactions, especially Alchemist being an unreliable narrator.
 
pareus said:
Im not getting how you can read the whole 'inflammatory thing' as Black Canary saying he couldnt enter the entire mountain instead of just the room where she is dealing with P1. Especially for an entire night rather than just until P1 is calmed down. We dont actually see Black Canary in this chapter. We dont know what is going on with all of them at the moment.

With Jinx-- Yes, she isnt entitled to his plans and he can be excused for not knowing it would send out that message, but people have emotions and social interaction doesnt run on cold logic. All she did was mention she wanted to punch him and was angry with him though, a pretty reasonable reaction to finding out someone accidentally put you through that much emotional stress. Im not saying she is in the right, just that Jinx isnt coming from nowhere. I was responding to a post saying everyone was hating on Alchemist for no reason and making stuff up that didnt happen in the story.
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I mean Jinx was the reasonable one out of the two (Jinx and P1) yeah she's upset that she thought her friend died, and was mad at the stress that it caused when he appeared fine she had ever right to be upset and when Alchemist found out? The first thing he did was apologize for the distress he caused her.

As for P1? Well she's kinda a bitch ngl sure she was high and while I don't know the how much of it she consented to, she did make out with a dude way older then her for weed. So basically she's eiyher been molested or cheating on her childhood friend to the point that he killed himself. Also with all the physical abuse she was throwing out at Alchemist if he didn't have Healing or an metallic body she would of probably killed a regular person. If Alchemist was female and P1 was male and P1 did that, well there would of been a totally different reaction. No one really talks out thinks about BMS (Battered Man Syndrome) and I really hope this story doesn't gloss over that. This story is already prettt unique because alchemy spent a lot of chapters getting Lessie back and I would love for that uniqueness to continue forward tackling other subjects like double standards between genders.
 
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Ah, yeah. Sorry, Jinx. Didn't even think about it."
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so not thinking about how his actions effect others thing isnt just from being a teenager?

It's been a pretty consistent through line for his story. I wonder what's up with that?

Hmm. As for player ones actions?

Alchemist knows the importance of holding back and keeping your power in check even when emotions are high. The League also knows this. Neither bothered to teach her that.

Like, even superboy. Who was grown in a tube knows better than to just lay into a regular human.

Player Ones power is incredibly dangerous and is screwing with her mind. Alchemist is likely the only one who knows the full depth and horror of her power and just... never bothered to tell anyone? Why would he, it's not his problem.

He does not feel Player One is his responsibility. He is right. She is not.

He didnt do anything to cause these problems. But he hasnt done anything to stop them either. That they would come around to bite him as well is simply...

I dont know.

Compare it to a good samaritan situation?

He sees someone drowning in a pool. They could have not jumped into the pool. There is supposed to be a lifeguard there to save people. The fool drowning might even drag him down with them...

Hes not a Hero. He never wanted to be. But if he is content to watch people destroy themselves, and content to let the world burn... That is exactly what he is going to get.

And I dont think he wants that to happen.

He tries. Sometimes. Making the ring for Kid Flash. Helping Jinx out of her situation. Teaching Kaldur some magic...

Hm. @Mister Ficser? I would guess that alchemist actually really likes teaching. For all he wants no part in handling the teen's. Him explaining the purpose and elements of the zombie world stands out to me.

Is that intentional on your part or am I just reading too much into a scene or two.

I keep finding myself wondering. How great could Player One have been if Alchemist did take her under his wing? Or the whole team? What if he shared this thoughts and concerns and talked to people about them.
 
I'd imagine he could make a decent instructor, but a pretty bad teacher. In a one-on-one situation like he had with Jinx, he mostly left her to teaching herself while he'd help out from time to time and set a few specific goals.

Give him a topic to cover, and it'll get done. But he's a bit absent-minded if he's not heavily focused on something... Or rather, he's always focused on something, but it's not usually what's in front of him.

From that same scene in Zombieland, we also saw him get distracted from the topic of zombies and start sharing his thoughts on Gamers and the Zombie ID that a lot of fics use.

Now, if he did take her under his wing?

"Alright. We got a lot of these special enchanting rocks here, and I got a whole boatload of these particular potion ingredients."

"This is just a pile of ashes and some red berries?"

"Yes, but very specific ashes. What we're going to do is called a positive feedback loop. First, we use the rocks filled with the souls of animal-"

"Excuse me, what the ever loving hell?"

"-to make a piece of enchanted gear that improves potions. Then we make the potion that lets us enchant stuff that's even stronger."

"...How high up does this loop go?"

"We can stop after about twelve cycles. After that it hits a stack overflow and we make stuff that's negatively-infinite."

"...Okay, but what if we, like, made a ring or something that fortifies HP, but with negative infinity?"

"You... You are now my new favorite person. Let's make exactly that and then mail it to Apokolips. Maybe include a letter that says only Darkseid can wield its true power."
 
al103 said:
It wasn't targeted harassment campaign. But when when your girlfriend start cheating on you in your presence it's a pretty valid reason to rethink your life and suicide is one of quite possible outcomes.

And if perpetrator is surprised, enraged or whatever at said outcome or everything else that comes from said outcome like boyfriends mother putting ban on interaction and treating person who more or less killed her son (even without intention to do so) like second coming of Satan? Tough luck, 100% your own fault.
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She didn't push him down a well.

If your argument is that A --> B --> C, then sure, you can draw a causal link between Penny being preyed upon by a predator and Whatshisname (is it Leslie?) committing suicide. We're talking about responsibility, though. Can any teenager really be responsible for the mental well-being of someone suffering from clinical depression? I'm sure they can be, in the sense that kids can also be made to work in factories by an uncaring world. Should they be, though? No, absolutely not.

Teenagers make dumb decisions because their brains are soaked in hormones. Teenagers are also vulnerable, especially to experienced adults. Penny was taken advantage of. Whether she gave consent doesn't matter. She was preyed upon, even if she herself disagrees. Her being preyed upon led to her boyfriend committing suicide. Does that make her responsible? I genuinely don't think so.

Outside of that Dave guy going to jail, I don't think blame is a useful concept here. Leslie, Penny, Leslie's mom; everyone messed up and got burned for it.
 
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