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Prince Aladdin Quest (Disney Villains *Almost* Victorious)

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jwolfe_beta said:
Which begs the question how the Titans managed to ROFLstomp the gods (who by any metric would be more powerful than Hercules) before the hero of the hour showed up. Sure he was Fated to be the one to defeat them but still......
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Combination of surprise, complacency, and the Titans basically having nothing to do for eternity but fight each other and grow stronger from it.
jwolfe_beta said:
As long as he isn't a secret follower/servant of Chernabog we can deal.
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I will confirm that he is not.
 
Thozmp said:
@TempestK just wondering, but are all the beasts in The Menagerie completely mundane? I've many an omake idea, and at least one involves the Royal Beast Tamer.
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At the moment yes, they're all mundane. The most exotic thing you've got in residence is a small group of Rhinos, with a handful of those having the temperament to be trained for use in war and to wear barding.
 
TempestK said:
Combination of surprise, complacency, and the Titans basically having nothing to do for eternity but fight each other and grow stronger from it.
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Of course I suppose 'now' the reason why Herc can't defeat them is A: he's no longer Fated to defeated them (it isn't the day Hades overthrrew Zeus any more) and B: They've probably recovered more of their strength now that the initial adlrenline rush of 'crush/burn/freeze/smash Zeus' is over and they've had some time to recuperate.

Because being stuffed 'wherever' probably wasn't good for elemental beings.
 
Alright... god Hades really is a major problem. Other than Hercules, we're at a pretty major loss for heroes (or people still alive) that can handle the Titans. Minus the more obvious big bads I mean. I suppose Demi-Gods/Gods (Herc and Maui come to mind) are some that could manage it but even then, yikes.
 
DaOneInDaCorner said:
Alright... god Hades really is a major problem. Other than Hercules, we're at a pretty major loss for heroes (or people still alive) that can handle the Titans. Minus the more obvious big bads I mean. I suppose Demi-Gods/Gods (Herc and Maui come to mind) are some that could manage it but even then, yikes.
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Why would Hades be a problem? He's gotten what he wanted (control of Olympus) and never really gave any indications he was for the whole 'conquor the world' thing. As for the Titans, it all depends on how far from Olympus they start roaming.
 
So we're weak in martial, stewardship, and intrigue. Above average in diplomacy. And excellent in learning and occult.

Could be worse.

I'm ambivalent about Ahmed and Sinbad. They seem nice enough but that's about it.

Scheherazade is excellent. That should be fun.

I'm delighted with Haroud. He always struck me as the brains and unfortunate straight man to Abis Mal. I'm glad we can give him a chance to shine.

TempestK said:
"I imagine that if the Genie hadn't made his offer, my fate would have been quite... abysmal."
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Ha!

Chiron. That's a pretty big deal. Very good.

Should be interesting to see what comes from our mysterious occult group but that was a high roll so I'm assuming they are actually pretty great and aren't going to backstab us.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Why would Hades be a problem? He's gotten what he wanted (control of Olympus) and never really gave any indications he was for the whole 'conquor the world' thing. As for the Titans, it all depends on how far from Olympus they start roaming.
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Because Hades is a god. That is significant in a world where religion was a thing that functions without evidence that your deity is real, now religion is provable, or not provable.

If Hades has any crazy mortal cults, and Hades doesn't destroy the mortals. Then mortals, ordinary people who could seek out power, will make deals with Hades, or pray to him. How Hades responds can shake the gameboard.
 
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Marlin said:
Because Hades is a god. That is significant in a world where religion was a thing that functions without evidence that your deity is real, now religion is provable, or not provable.

If Hades has any crazy mortal cults, and Hades doesn't destroy the mortals. Then mortals, ordinary people who could seek out power, will make deals with Hades, or pray to him. How Hades responds can shake the gameboard.
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Going by DVV canon, Hades is pretty content with just Greece. And hen you think about it, he doesn't care about living humans that much. Why? Because as Lord of the Dead, they will all eventually end up in his kingdom as his subjects. The major difference for the locals with the change in leadership is that they won't have the steady stream of god-supported heros running around killing the many monsters of Greece. Though here Herc is still in play and as long as he doesn't go against Hades/try and free the gods, he's likely going to be more or less ignored. Also Hades doesn't really have cults. It's more that the overwhelming majority of the Greeks tried their utmost to avoid drawing his ire.

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King - Hades, God of the Dead and Freer of the Titans.

Hades is rarely seen by his subjects; he spends most of his time in his new lair on Mount Olympus, that he has redecorated to be more to his tastes. The Underworld is still the prison of the dead, and he is still their ruler; now they are simply left to their own devices. Many consider this an improvement over constantly risking the burning fury of their Lord. But even considering this occasional outbursts, the God of the Dead has always been a smooth operator, second only to Facilier in the art of getting the best out of any deal. Not that he needs to do that often nowadays, as Hades is a content god, not terribly interested in expanding his territory: his real prize has always been his brother's throne, and he's got that now. Well, if he could manage to get that tentacle face to come back to Tartarus, where he OUGHT to be…

Land - Monsters' Playground

Hades employs a relatively small number of departed souls as look-outs and sentinels, they are to inform him of any wannabe hero getting too big for his britches. Most souls are more than willing to leave the torments of the River Styx for some time in the land of the living, and the fact that the Lord of the Dead compensates them with extra time on the surface makes them even more enthusiastic and vigilant. There aren't as many heroes, nowadays, so the souls resort to denouncing uppity villagers; Hades isn't as generous with these sort of reports, and the departed risks incineration if he bothers the god with info that's not worth his time. What's worse, numberless mythological creatures prowl Hades' territory, knowing full well that their master considers them far more precious to him than the useless mortals that will end up as his more direct subjects anyway. Galloping centaurs haunt the roads from Epyrus to Sparta, drunk on wine and blood; sea serpents longer than pirate ships grow fat on the flesh and bones of terrified fishermen; and the constant screeching of harpies fills moonless nights. The few times that some brave villagers managed to drive out one of their tormentors, they were visited by Hades' own monstrous three-headed hound, there to punish them for bothering one of Hades' loyal servitors. Every day, more villagers resort to sacrificing some of their own to these monsters to avoid both theirs and their master's wrath. Even Cerberus' trail of destruction pales in comparison to the primordial horror caused by the Titans. These lumbering quasi-gods, kilometers tall and full of fury, have already made several large swathes of land completely inhabitable, and they seem to simply go as they please, governed by nothing more than their fancy for destruction. When their roaring cries are heard in a village, everyone rounds up their transportable goods and leaves their homes behind, yet another sacrifice to the God of the Dead and his dreaded servants.
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Haroud is the brains behind Abis Mal, but this might not be a good thing. Abis is quite good at finding magical stuff, he wasn't good at using it though. So its possible he might dig up something much more dangerous and this time not have an idea on how to prevent from going out of control.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Going by DVV canon, Hades is pretty content with just Greece. And hen you think about it, he doesn't care about living humans that much. Why? Because as Lord of the Dead, they will all eventually end up in his kingdom as his subjects. The major difference for the locals with the change in leadership is that they won't have the steady stream of god-supported heros running around killing the many monsters of Greece. Though here Herc is still in play and as long as he doesn't go against Hades/try and free the gods, he's going to be more or less ignored. Also Hades doesn't really have cults. It's more that the overwhelming majority of the Greeks tried their utmost to avoid drawing his ire.

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You asked why Hades would be a problem, if you don't want theories that are going to contradict the DVV lore you are holding as gospel. Please say that.

I was saying that human greed, and ambition will cause people to seek Hades out for opportunity. Religion is turned on it's head as Hades is provable as a diety, which offers legitimacy to a cult.

What is making you believe Hades is restricted to Greece? Or that Hades is not interested in living mortals? Hades and Megara made a deal, so Hades does make deals with living mortals from time to time.
 
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Can the players now know who the advisors for Aladdin would be on a nat100 for every advisor position, and what bonuses they would have?
 
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I'm pretty sure you don't need to justify a greek mythic character being in universe with a direct appearance.

Just say greek mythology is canon due to hercules
 
nicholasm10 said:
I'm pretty sure you don't need to justify a greek mythic character being in universe with a direct appearance.

Just say greek mythology is canon due to hercules
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That is it's own can of worms, as the Zeus in Disney's Hercules is remarkably chaste, and canon greek mythology does not sync perfectly with Disney's Hercules greek mythology. "Gigantic brutes called Titans ran amok. Along came Zeus." from Disney's Hercules. That contradicts the RL greek myths, which have the Titans related to the greek gods, there are also female Titans, and the RL Titans were not gigantic brutes. They were gorgeous gigantic brutes!
 
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nicholasm10 said:
Hubris. Greek gods are very very egotistical
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Oh I agree, it's just that after Herc frees Zeus the very same lightning bolts that bounced off the Titans are suddenly blowing them to bits, everybody starts stomping the forces that had not a few minutes beforehand been running them over etc. It's just annoying for my desire for some internal consistancy of the movie/setting. I don't mind Herc saving the day but if you make the gods powerless in the face of an enemy, keep them powerless unless there a good reason shown on screen.
Grandalt said:
Haroud is the brains behind Abis Mal, but this might not be a good thing. Abis is quite good at finding magical stuff, he wasn't good at using it though. So its possible he might dig up something much more dangerous and this time not have an idea on how to prevent from going out of control.
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Assuming the guy is even alive at this point. As seen in 'Return of Jafar' he was very good at enraging his subordinates by claiming all the loot etc. When he found the lamp they would have attacked/killed him if he hadn't accidentally summoned Jafar.
Marlin said:
Religion is turned on it's head as Hades is provable as a diety,
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The Disney Hercules setting Greeks (which would have been ISOTed with him+the region) would already know very well Hades is real.
Marlin said:
What is making you believe Hades is restricted to Greece?
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Restricted? Probably not. The question is if he would even care about the regions outside of Greece unless the people/gods etc are attacking what he considers his domain. From day one in the Disney setting, his ambition has been to kick out Zeus and rule Olympus; that's it. And with how the gods in Greek mythology function, he wouldn't get anything by conquering other lands.

Yes, there might be those foolish/desperate that try to make deals with Hades, but first they need to get to him/attract his attention. And its not like he's a D&D god where he simply grants power to worshipers etc.
 
Marlin said:
Can the players now know who the advisors for Aladdin would be on a nat100 for every advisor position, and what bonuses they would have?
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If you'd somehow managed Nat 100s in Intrigue and Martial that would have netted you Garth and Hub McCann in their primes, either as a team or each on their own. Hub would have given you a bonus on tactical deployments with fast cavalry. Garth would have given you guys a huge bonus to disguises and infiltration. Yes, I know they're technically owned by Warner Bros, but I absolutely love that movie.

I'm honestly not sure at the moment who else you might have gotten.
 
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Marlin said:
That is it's own can of worms, as the Zeus in Disney's Hercules is remarkably chaste, and canon greek mythology does not sync very well with Disney's Hercules greek mythology. "Gigantic beasts called Titans ran amok. Along came Zeus." from Disney's Hercules. That contradicts the RL greek myths, which have the Titans related to the greek gods, there are also female Titans, and the RL Titans were not gigantic brutes. They were gorgeous gigantic brutes!
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I'm not saying a direct translation, I just think you can put any greek myth in as long as you reinterpret it
 
Pretty good outlay of heroes here. Ahmed gives Aladdin someone his own age with whom he can relate, and that tent perk giving shelter on demand is quite useful in a military context. Sinbad the Porter...I don't know much about his original story, but worst-case scenario he's a stopgap while we find someone more qualified. Scheherazade is AMAZING, and will be great in her position. Haroud will be fun - did you guys know his VA, James Avery, was the original Shredder? Haroud himself is clever, but we'll need to keep an eye on him. Chiron will be in heavy demand as a trainer, I suspect. Lastly, the Mage. I'm thinking Rapunzel, for some reason? Mostly the description of her and her companion, who sounds like Flynn Ryder.
 
Was there a dice roll for the diplomacy training personal action? I see the corresponding with Jasmine one but that's it.

And what's next? Rival Reports then our next turn?
 
Oh, had a thought regarding Ahmed. His original tale involved a number of very powerful artifacts. I suspect that collecting them will boost his stats and abilities significantly. They include an apple that can heal any illness, a spyglass that can see anywhere, healing water, a magic carpet, and his own genie that he married if I recall correctly.
 
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