I'm pretty sure that as soon as we get a chance to debrief Will Turner, we logically should know. Elizabeth is in the top layer of the Atlantean government, and while she's perfectly capable of keeping a secret from Will for a good cause, in this case I'm pretty sure she's going to tell him anything that impinges on their shared pre-Upheaval history.
"We're at war with Davy Jones" would be a good example of that.
Okay, but the Leviathan is much, much bigger then the Kraken. One of it's claws was big enough to hold and crush a gigantic Submarine. The Kraken didn't seen to be that much bigger then a Ship of the Line. Plus, the Leviathan is made of some VERY durable Material, since Torpedoes didn't even scratch it. AND it has a Laser-Weapon.
Mythical Creature or not, I don't see the Kraken ever winning this.
The kraken doesn't have to defeat the Leviathan for Davy Jones to maintain his hold over the world ocean. The Leviathan, powerful as it is, can't be in two places at once. Given the magnitude of the other seagoing threats to Atlantis in this setting (e.g. Ursula), "guarding Atlantis itself" is probably that location most of the time. They might send the Leviathan off to fight a decisive battle that would greatly improve Atlantis' overall situation, but they can't do it all the time, unless they're very confident in being able to defend themselves even without the Leviathan.
Meanwhile, Davy Jones can go anywhere he wants on the seven seas, at any time, and so can the kraken. And he cannot be easily killed by any application of ordinary material force, even the Leviathan.
So Atlantis may have a singular unbeatable superweapon, sure. But they cannot use this superweapon either to pursue Davy Jones and the kraken continuously across the world, because he can boat-teleport and the Leviathan can't. Nor can they use the superweapon to permanently kill Davy Jones or the kraken.
Thus, the existence of the superweapon is largely irrelevant to the long-term strategy of the conflict... except insofar as it makes Atlantis itself practically immune to attack, which is actually pretty helpful.
I'm pretty sure that as soon as we get a chance to debrief Will Turner, we logically should know. Elizabeth is in the top layer of the Atlantean government, and while she's perfectly capable of keeping a secret from Will for a good cause, in this case I'm pretty sure she's going to tell him anything that impinges on their shared pre-Upheaval history.
"We're at war with Davy Jones" would be a good example of that.
Im prety shre that aladin have enough info on Dave to have a good idea ho he is, and he have a decent front to in Sinbad (The pirate lord of the indian sea finds Abwaba a fun place have amiable relations here so he primed the prince on the pirate lords), dave is dangerous but he dont really have much ground to make specifics demands aside from the gunboat diplomacy.
Im prety shre that aladin have enough info on Dave to have a good idea ho he is, and he have a decent front to in Sinbad (The pirate lord of the indian sea finds Abwaba a fun place have amiable relations here so he primed the prince on the pirate lords), dave is dangerous but he dont really have much ground to make specifics demands aside from the gunboat diplomacy.
1) Sinbad "rules" the Mediterranean. Nemo controls the Indian Ocean; though so far he's had no reason to feel animosity towards Ababwa.
2) the information on the pirate lords that was revealed came via Haroud's intelligence network.
3) Jones can effectively hold every port Ababwa tries to create hostage if he so desires, or wipe them off the map entirely; he's got a lot more ground than you think he does.
1) Sinbad "rules" the Mediterranean. Nemo controls the Indian Ocean; though so far he's had no reason to feel animosity towards Ababwa.
2) the information on the pirate lords that was revealed came via Haroud's intelligence network.
3) Jones can effectively hold every port Ababwa tries to create hostage if he so desires, or wipe them off the map entirely; he's got a lot more ground than you think he does.
Ok
1) you are factualy correct.
2) my idea was using the relation with sinbad as a alibi to why we would know specifics abbout him.
3) when i talked about ground it would be avenus of information, he hold military superiority no doubt but is hard to justify he knowing much abbout us. The biggest thing that come to my mind is that he folowed the atlantis ship and eant to intimidate Abwaba so we dont enter a aliiance but otherwise its hard to know whi jhose have anything aginst us and our fishing boats specificaly.
Maybe Intimitade us so we dont offer harbor to the PoC british?
3) when i talked about ground it would be avenus of information, he hold military superiority no doubt but is hard to justify he knowing much abbout us. The biggest thing that come to my mind is that he folowed the atlantis ship and eant to intimidate Abwaba so we dont enter a aliiance but otherwise its hard to know whi jhose have anything aginst us and our fishing boats specificaly.
Maybe Intimitade us so we dont offer harbor to the PoC british?
As the Pirate King Jones not only has access to all the information that his subordinates may sent his way, but due to his other duty as a psychopomp he can literally question the recently dead that died at sea and gain information that way. So don't assume that he doesn't know much about Ababwa.
Also, the Atlantis delegation is showing up on the literal other side of the country from where Jones' men are.
[X] "Only a couple of questions, Sadira.
-[X] "Did they give any indication at all as to where they might have retreated if they were uncovered? They might not have talked about it in those terms, but any place they talked about frequently? Maybe that it seemed like they were trying to hide it from you?"
-[X] "And of the artifacts and items of power they were searching for, did they manage to bring any to wherever they were hiding in Agrabah?"
-[X] After she answers: "We're going to track them down. Do you want to come along?"
Aladdin let Leah take the lead here as the young woman spoke. She'd proven to have a good grasp of analysis and a surprisingly adept grasp of tactics (not that Aladdin could call himself some kind of incredible general), so she was best suited to going after specific information. "Sadira, I realize that this is probably uncomfortable for you to think about, but do you remember if the witches gave any indication as to where they might have retreated? It may not have been spoken of in plain terms, but was there any place in particular they mentioned frequently, or even tried to avoid speaking of while they were aware that you were there?"
Sadira's mouth twisted into a frown as she thought. "There were a couple of places they did mention. One was the Temple of Destiny; something about being able to break the Stone of Destiny down into sand and use it as a source of power." Aladdin's eyebrows shot straight into his hairline as he heard that, while Abu let out a whimper and climbed into Aladdin's lap. Their reactions didn't go unnoticed by the others.
[][Stone] Tell them about his encounter with the Temple of Destiny
[][Stone] Brush it off, just say that he'd heard legends about it, and the witches getting control of the stone was bad for everyone involved.
Once that had been dealt with, Sadira continued. "Another place they talked about was some place called the Valley of Frozen Time. Something about there being beasts there that they could use to 'force the issue' if they needed." Well, that was ominous. "Last was finding someplace called The Pit of Blood Sands." And that was even more ominous. Sadira massages her temples, grimacing.
"I'm sorry, details are hard. When I was being controlled it was like I was under a heavy blanket." Jasmine places a hand on her shoulder, and the other young woman relaxes slightly. "I do remember them talking about the directions they'd need to go for each. From what little I overheard, the Pit of Blood Sands was supposed to be where two ancient armies fought and killed each other down to the last man, to the point that the sands were dyed permanently red." Tai Lung scowled at that.
"Well, aren't those some delightful options?" he drawled. Aladdin shot him a quelling look, and the feline held up his paws in a conciliatory gesture. "Just saying what we were all thinking, no aspersions being cast on the young lady. It's hardly her fault that we've got limited information."
Leah smiled encouragingly at Sadira. "That's very good work Sadira. We can look into those locations. Now, there is another question. Any of the items of power or artifacts they were searching for, were they able to bring any of them to someplace in Agrabah that they were hiding?" Sadira nods.
"That much I do remember, yes. There was an amulet that conjured up a sort of sand creature. They used it mainly as manual labor, but it was very strong and could probably do a lot of damage in a fight. They also got something they called the Hourglass of Alamut. But it wasn't working right. It was supposed to be able to show current and past events, as well as show possible futures somehow, but some kind of diamond was missing from it. And they needed to create a tiny sandstorm to generate lightning to empower it." Jasmine frowned at that.
"That sounds like the hourglass mechanism that was in Jafar's hidden laboratory. Did it have a pair of cobras at the top to hold the diamond?" Sadira nodded, and Jasmine's frown turned into an outright scowl. "Then it's definitely the same thing, Iago told father and Razoul what all the items in the lab were for and how they'd been used in order to be as transparent as possible. Razoul is going to be furious, all of the materials were supposed to be under lock and key." Jasmine wasn't looking all that happy herself for that matter. Sadira waited a moment to let the princess collect her composure, before continuing.
"They had a couple of pieces of some kind of staff, but it was still missing portions. I'm not sure exactly what it was intended to do, but the way they talked about it, it was a way to somehow project their power outside of the desert." Well, that was a worrying thought... "The last thing they'd gotten was a ruby that was called the Heart of the Sphinx." Aladdin shared a glance with Jasmine, both of them recalling the absolutely massive leonine statue that they'd seen during that carpet ride where he'd started to make up for his earlier gaffes. If that thing held true to the "themes" that Sand Magic seemed to follow, then animating the statue would make it into a formidable weapon of war. And that's not even taking into account any other powers it could potentially become imbued with. Aladdin holds off a sigh. That's a lot of potentially nasty artifacts.
Leah gives Sadira a smile, as does Jasmine. "Thank you very much Sadira. This information is going to be very helpful to us. Hopefully we'll bring down the witches before they can hurt anyone else." Aladdin nodded firmly, before an idea sparked.
"Sadira, if you want, would you like to come with us?" Sadira looks shocked. "We're going to track them down, and it would let you get some payback for everything they did." Sadira folds up her legs, hugging them to her chest as Rajah continues to nuzzle her. Tai Lung and Leah stay quiet, while Jasmine looks worried.
1d100-15
99-15=84
Due to Crit, Sadira has regained her courage and willingness to fight. You lucky sods.
After a long moment, Sadira grips her knees tightly, almost tearing the fabric as she begins to tremble... before looking up with an expression of anger on her face. "Yes! I want to go with you. I want to show those old hags what enslaving people gets them. And I want to be there personally to make sure they never get the chance to do anything like what they did to me to some other poor girl ever again." Jasmine seems surprised, and actually a bit heartened by this surge of confidence and aggression.
"Good, but don't let your temper dictate your actions." Surprisingly, that comes from Tai Lung, who is looking at Sadira with a solemn, intent gaze. "Believe me, you can do things in the grip of anger that you'll spend entire lifetimes regretting." He absently rubs at his chest, and Aladdin can't help but wonder what the story there is... Something to ask about later though.
"Welcome to the team then Sadira." Aladdin smiles as he holds out his hand. Sadira's smile matches his as she takes the offered limb and is lifted to her feet easily. A small blush colors her cheeks, before she glances over at Jasmine and shakes her head to dispel whatever thoughts were forming.
Jasmine wanted to come as well, but that was immediately rejected by Tai Lung. "Princess, as much as I'm sure you're a capable person; have you ever been in actual lethal combat before?" At Jasmine's shake of the head, the Snow Leopard gained a pinched expression. "My dear, while having you along with us would no doubt give us some extra impact, it would also provide the witches with an ideal hostage to take not only to force us to stand down, but for your father to capitulate to their demands. If they weren't actively trying to take control of Agrabah, I'd have no objections. But as it stands, you're an unacceptable risk."
Jasmine looks ready to argue, before Sadira puts a hand on her arm. "He's right Jasmine. And think of how the kids would feel if you got hurt, or captured, out on an adventure like that." Aladdin suppressed a wince. Sadira knew how to play dirty.
"You could consider Sadira to be your agent in these efforts. Your proxy of sorts," Leah chimed in. Sadira nodded in agreement, turning to Jasmine. The princess was obviously weakening, even as her guest and friend looked at her beseechingly. Finally, Jasmine sighed in defeat.
"Alright. You've all made your points." She looks to Aladdin and he shrugs. It wasn't his place to make that kind of call, and after the whole "prize to be won" incident between himself, Jafar and the Sultan, he wasn't really that eager to give her any kind of orders. Coming out of his thoughts, Jasmine is now right in front of him. She pokes Aladdin in the chest. "You make sure that you take care of her." And then she leaned up and gave him a chaste kiss. "And yourself. I want you all coming back in one piece. Alright?"
Aladdin nodded, the gravity of the situation driving away the urge to grin a little after the kiss. "Right." Jasmine gave him a firm nod, before turning and giving Sadira a hug, which the other young woman reciprocated easily. She murmured something to Sadira, but whatever it was, Aladdin couldn't hear, and didn't make much of an attempt at eavesdropping either. When they separated though Sadira had a bit of a grin on her own face.
"Alright, let's go!"
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"You know, I was expecting us to go a little farther once we set out." Sadira had her arms folded, looking unimpressed as she leaned against a wall. Tai Lung was once again hooded and robed, while Leah was concealing her blade. Aladdin had changed into his "street" clothes before leaving the palace, attempting to be at least a bit more discreet on the way out. It turned out that the Gilded Date stall was still hanging on, barely. The owner hadn't recognized Aladdin at all, but he'd been almost pathetically grateful for the purchase of several small bags of dates.
"Patience my dear, all will be revealed in it's own good time." Tai Lung spoke laconically from where he was positioned, before holding out an arm. "Ah, here's our last companion now." Iago alighted without a blink; the big cat's sharp ears obviously having allowed him to make out the parrot's wingbeats.
"Heya kid. Oh, we got a new one too. Good, we're going to need all the help we can get. Word is that there was a nasty sandstorm spotted yesterday, headed to the south-west. Funny thing is, the wind was blowing directly south that day." Aladdin snorted, and Iago nodded. "Yeah, subtle these gals ain't. I'm surprised that they managed to keep a lid on things as long as they did. So, what do you got?"
Quickly filling Iago in on the information that the group had gained, the bird processes it for a moment, before shaking his head. "Bad news there kid. All three of those locations are in that general direction. With Carpet we can get to them fast, but without knowing what they're planning, any extra time we spend checking out false leads may be time they can use to get stronger or gather more weapons. So, where are we headed?"
[][Destination] Temple of Destiny - Aladdin knows the way there, and he's beaten the defenses of the temple once before. Hopefully the Guardian will be able to stymie and hold up the witches.
[][Destination] The Valley of Frozen Time - beasts frozen in time that could be used to "force the issue" sounds like they'd be major trouble with or without the Sand Witches directing them. Better to go and find out what's there and make sure it's not disturbed.
[][Destination] The Pit of Blood Sands - the description of the place sounded like a necromancer's dream come true. And if the witches were able to animate the bones and bodies beneath the sand, enhancing them with their magic, they could become an army that could overrun the living.
There will be an hour Moratorium for discussion before voting opens.
AN: Hey all. I'm really sorry for this update taking so long. But it's here now, and hopefully I'll be able to start properly putting out updates again. Either way, here you go.
So, I'm thinking The Pit of the Blood Sands sounds the most likely place they'd go (assuming they're moving as a group). They'd be in their proverbial element, which is something they'd probably be eager to do after escaping imprisonment since it would let them consolidate their power, as it were.
[X][Stone] Tell them about his encounter with the Temple of Destiny
[X][Destination] Temple of Destiny - Aladdin knows the way there, and he's beaten the defenses of the temple once before. Hopefully the Guardian will be able to stymie and hold up the witches.
Hopefully we can get through the temple quickly, get the Guardian's help, and secure the Stone of Destiny and those imprisoned inside before the Witches reach it.
The first is where he first went in the first movie I believe. Luckily it's probably the most well defend of all of these places since even Jafar had to play by it's rules.
Let's see potentially dinosaurs or undead army...sheesh, with our set up we could go either way. Tai-lung specifically is great against the undead army I'm betting while druidism and our beast speciality might help out against dinos.
Then again Aladdin and a Junior Sand Witch probably play havoc with that Guardian...
[X][Stone] Tell them about his encounter with the Temple of Destiny
[X][Destination] Temple of Destiny - Aladdin knows the way there, and he's beaten the defenses of the temple once before. Hopefully the Guardian will be able to stymie and hold up the witches
[X][Stone] Tell them about his encounter with the Temple of Destiny
[X][Destination] Temple of Destiny - Aladdin knows the way there, and he's beaten the defenses of the temple once before. Hopefully the Guardian will be able to stymie and hold up the witches
The first is where he first went in the first movie I believe. Luckily it's probably the most well defend of all of these places since even Jafar had to play by it's rules.
The place from the first move is the 'Cave of Wonders'; the Temple of Destiny is a place from the show.
[x][Stone] Tell them about his encounter with the Temple of Destiny
[X][Destination] Temple of Destiny - Aladdin knows the way there, and he's beaten the defenses of the temple once before. Hopefully the Guardian will be able to stymie and hold up the witches.
Edit: now that I think about it, the Temple sounds like it would be the most time-sensitive of the options.
The Temple of Destiny is from the show. The other two are places that I made up because areas that are desert in the Aladdin show are surprisingly thin on the ground, and they definitely won't be going to the Land of Black Sands.
[X][Stone] Tell them about his encounter with the Temple of Destiny
[X][Destination] The Pit of Blood Sands - the description of the place sounded like a necromancer's dream come true. And if the witches were able to animate the bones and bodies beneath the sand, enhancing them with their magic, they could become an army that could overrun the living.
Big monsters might actually be easier to deal with than an undead army.