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@Academia Nut as a Royalist party member we do include service to the Crown.
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I mean, yeah. It makes a lot of sense. Does not mean I am not allowed to be bitter about it(it is part of the fun after all
). I was just saying that it looks like people are never going to take it becaue it is suboptimal(so a case of it working too well).Voting for Urban Workers is hardly going to stop our international activites we have planned. My party is mostly focus on the home front after all.
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Yes it is.
I offer it
Honestly, I don't see how you can manage it.
Because I don't see how they could reasonably expect to manage it without manipulating their way into a social explosion.
Service means only menfolk. More or less the status quo.
Education is even more problematic, because you basically have means for other people to restrict the franchise.
See the United States, where the fuckery of literacy tests was an integral part of Jim Crow.
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Next parliamentary session most likely.
No, definitely not right now.
Royalists are primarily the upper nobility and allies in the Upper House. While they draw a lot of support from the military, they think that the current system of Service based franchise for the Lower House is too broad. Power should remain in traditional hands, with the more successful among the lower classes gaining new land allowing for a path to input.
It was Service due to the fact that it didn't matter before, but now it does and the Upper House wants to pare back the rabble in the Lower House.
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In other words, Service is merely the status quo, Universal is progressive and the other three are actively regressive.
I am not sure universal will pass. Service at least for now.
Mhhm.
And note that Education, while tailored to appeal to our 21Cen sensibilities, simply gives the wealthy and the privileged, who will get education as a matter of course, opportunity to vote and run for power without having to go through the deprivation or work or military service that everyone else has to go through.
Guys at least.
So yeah, young nobles get to go to university and carouse and then run for parliament while the commoners have to go into the army to even get to vote.
I can't think of a way to build societal resentment quicker.
So either Service or Universal. The rest just cooks off a societal bomb.
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If we had education 10-20, I would talk education. We don't. What we have is army 8 and high militancy, with army scores that touch the mid teens at times of war. That means service touches the most people.
For now that is our best bet while we work in civil service and female service.
For now that is our best bet while we work in civil service and female service.
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Amusingly, this sort of issue is exactly what broke the power of the traditional parties that we're a legacy of the pre-parliamentary power structure.
They took a very unpopular stance on a universal and divisive topic, and the more 'modern' parties gained a ton of power from all the people that stance pissed of with the explicit demand to 'fuck those guys, and don't even think about harming our stance on the topic'...
So yeah. This is definitely the sort of thing that should dethrone the Royalists from their position at the top of the roost, and reduce, of not eradicate the negative PW Malia for the Farmers and Urban Workers parties.
Though I will admit, I suspect once the major parties learn that they do have to bend, we'll probably lose the Farmer's party as it merges with the Conservatives.
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We should formalize the service franchise and delineate exactly what counts as eligible service. Particularly as we grow in non-military dimensions.
Service in the corps of engineers, public medicine (once the government funds hospitals), the merchant marine, and the diplomatic corps should all be considered for eligibility in addition to traditional military service.
Service in the corps of engineers, public medicine (once the government funds hospitals), the merchant marine, and the diplomatic corps should all be considered for eligibility in addition to traditional military service.
Honestly... Do service and spend the next many turns spending temp armies for infrastructure projects and doing raise temp army actions will expand the vote a lot without having a ton of people on a front line somewhere.
Add in state research on top of that as well.
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Anything less than Universal is treason against the proletariat!
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Imagine the headache for processing research grant applications.
"I need 10,000 bwyll and citizenship, please!"
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Technically Service is currently pseudo-Universal because you have Universal Service, although that does have more than a few cracks in it.
More like, you do research in one of our esteemed universities and help discover something useful? One citizenship for you
What kind of cracks are we talking about here?
I would love to eventually see completing a degree be a way to vote... Just not the ONLY way to vote or else we start to see colledge admissions have politics questions to filter out "people better off not voting"
And we find we have removed not only some people's vote, but their ability to get a degree.
And we find we have removed not only some people's vote, but their ability to get a degree.
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Well the question is
Do we want Political Support or Universal?
Because the others would not be happy with us.
Still, we are the only ones that can offer it...
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Do note that while Liberals traditionally embraced the view that only the most educated (and thus the rich and well off) should vote. They also generally believed in a proper (secular) education system and pushed through a lot of education reforms, sometimes to the degree that while the quality of (primary) education increased, it became increasingly expensive and a general trend developed that only schools with government subsidies could be kept afloat.
(In some countries there were also issues with the general population about the secular nature of the liberal inspired system, with people wanting more religion in their education than the liberals would allow.)
(In some countries there were also issues with the general population about the secular nature of the liberal inspired system, with people wanting more religion in their education than the liberals would allow.)
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Yeah, but we'd spawn tons of reactionaries.
Sneak Universal in by a backdoor by improving Universal Service.