Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
The big deal is that we can grow it, assuming the climate band adjustment is right, in our mesopotamia(formerly Lowlands) holdings, though not as prolifically as in tropical countries. And rubber gates a lot of stuff.
The SECOND big deal is that the Sketch are going to be super distracted taking control of the rubber, so we can take the opportunity to build our rail trunk lines and get the Hung/Sheep back up and running.
If we time it right, by the time the Sketch finish dealing with getting Rubber, we have our feet under our allies and ready to stand.
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Some of us on discord wanted to build an espionage network in Redwood Dominion to steal seeds.
You have my vote. Well...along with a whole bunch of other commitments, but we probably want to yoink some seeds before they realize they got something they need to control
Potentially, between this and the cocoa tree, we have our solution to the Black Sheep opium problem.
IRL India is the world's fourth largest rubber producer in 2016, after Thailand, Indonesia and Vietnam.
We just have to engage in
A much more stable source of cash than opium, a more moral one, and one that's less likely to backsplash into their own territories.
Plus, with industrialization, rubber is a growth industry, with 12.6 million tons of natural rubber consumed IRL 2016, and it helps us secure an industrial supply for our entire trade bloc.
It won't fit in Tragon though; we only have control over the port, not the entirety of not!Vietnam.
If we had control over not!Vietnam, that would be a different matter.
West Africa accounts for about 60% of world cocoa production, so I dunno how well it will grow in BS; they have the climate for it.
IRL, India is all the way down at 18th, after Guatemala, so it is at least a workable product.
Hmm.
I know somewhere that can use a good dose of La Marseillase.
Unfortunately, our trade partner Mapanca would be in the general blast radius of any attempt to export FREEDOM.
That should fall under industrial espionage quite easily.
And yes, it's a good idea to keep an eye on these things, both there and in not!Africa; someone is going to discover the oil palm tree in not!West Africa sooner or later.
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It's the Sketch.
The plantations are huge.
Waving around a wad of cash will probably go a long way. The bigger problem is cultivating it.
But we have multiple biomes that can make use of it.
We can even give some to Maharatha as an olive branch of sorts (and drive down the prices for our industries).
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How far along is fiat currency in the Dual Crown? With the global population much bigger, the access to precious metal used as legal tender should be much harder, which in turn should drive up pressure to using banknotes to maintain liquidity. We also have that whole 50+ years ahead in banking.
The Stock Exchange and the government bonds also look like a good entry point for fiat currency as a concept. We are backing debt with Trust and Productivity and the Stock Exchange needs only a small switch to exchange rates, I think.
What does the Stock Exchange do for us anyway? Is that in the background or will some things become cheaper/new options become available?
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Unfortunately, they're probably going to realize they've got something really valuable long before we even find out about it, because we're on the other side of the planet from them.
That said, espionage against the Redwoods is still a good idea. Alternatively, if we want to conserve our strength, we can just build up our Sketch espionage network, and then steal it from the Sketch after they steal it from the Redwoods for maximum irony points.
I know this is a typo, but as it happens, tarragon is a crop itself. (If you count herbs as crops, that is.)
If cocoa doesn't grow well in BS it should grow well in Khemetri and IIRC they could also use an alternative to opium. Then there's coffee too. Which Khemetri should already grow, in the Ethopia equivalent.
A general program of academic/industrial interest in new plants, trees and vegetables worldwide is actually in theme for the DC, given their botanophilia.
And it places the DC in good position to take advantage of new discoveries.
Potatoes came from the New World, as did tomatoes, and are currently staples of Syffrynite cuisine.
Cash crops like cocoa (the Americas), coffee(Africa), palm oil(Africa), rubber(Brazil), sugarcane(South Asia) all become increasingly important in the 19th century for both industry and consumption.
Might want to get on top of that early.
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Nah, Khemetri does not have the humid climate for cocoa, or the water supply.
I'm sure they are into coffee already though.
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AN confirmed that the Khem grow cocoa. It's part of why they were so into slavery.
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Huh. Must be part of the climate readjustment thing that allows it.
You don't need slaves for cocoa ; it's shit like cotton and tobacco that's especially manpower intensive atm.
Note that most of RL cocoa production is small holders managing their farms.
Eh, not an economics simulation.
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Do they know the value of the crops ? We could just buy it from them if they are selling.
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You guys are getting distracted by the latest shiny again....
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Little do they know that the Rubber Tree has a specific blight that can only be countered by the use of Arsenic.
See how we're offering it to the Black Sheep, not growing it ourselves
More seriously, that's a problem of the particular cultivars. Not necessarily will the ones in this AU be that vulnerable.
Need, no. But almost all cash crops find slavery quite desirable because their profit margins are very important and sustainability is less so.
Fiat currency is a largely twentieth century invention; previously tried in China, but largely unsuccessful.
I think you mean the gold standard, where paper currency is backed by gold and silver held in the banks and convertible on demand.
For that, I assume we are already using it.
IRL commercial banks issued their own bank notes during the first part of the nineteenth century, with backing in gold.
The UK IRL established the gold standard in 1844 with the passage of the Bank Charter Act, which made the Bank of England the sole issuer of new bank notes in the UK. But it had been issuing standardized bank notes since at least 1745.
This is one of those things where being a high Trust government comes into play, because with the most advanced financial system, the highest Trust AND the military power to back it up, we are likely to become/displace the Sketch pound as the default reserve currency for the nascent international financial system.
Which among other things, makes our government borrowing cheaper.
We just need to keep certain nations from attempting to counterfeit our currency and flooding the market as a form of financial warfare.
Like Britain attempted to do to the US during the American Revolutionary War, the Union did to the Confederates during the US Civil War, and Germany/Austria/Hungary attempted to do to France after WW1 as revenge.
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Point.
Still, slaves are an investment of your own money, and have to be managed in order not to come out to a net loss.
And you are never going to get a slave to work as hard as a free man. What you save in wages, you lose in productivity.
Not to mention there is always the option to go full Belgian Congo on native populations.
Destructive, evil, but when you didn't invest even the money to buy slaves....
If we want to end slavery the single biggest thing we can do is pound through the mechanical industrial tools and into mechanical agricultural tools. With a horse drawn harvester we will be DROWNING in corn. Sugar beats are another good crop we should be able to grow.
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Redwood's Khornate tendency is the reason Volitarn exists. I pray they don't explode as Redwood is going to go in Blood mode for rubber & slaves.
Hes is also looking to bet on both UPM and Cahok, interesting overlap of propping up with the latter.AN said:
I guess we're out of Hes' target right now, and kinda cooperating with CCP like us.discord said:
would about convincing the nobles in the MAKAG into growing useful crops for us?
make the useful considering they are very close to our heartlands.
would it even occur to the sketch to install artillery there to threaten us? or destabilize them to case a refugee / bandit crises?
make the useful considering they are very close to our heartlands.
would it even occur to the sketch to install artillery there to threaten us? or destabilize them to case a refugee / bandit crises?
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MAKUG will never be useful, no matter what.
Storage of nuclear waste material.
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Metalight infused nuclear waste storage.
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