Considering that the Sketch have power of the purse to their parliament, and they're running a more advanced system of government than us as per AN, I'd say yes.
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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
Considering that the Sketch have power of the purse to their parliament, and they're running a more advanced system of government than us as per AN, I'd say yes.
No way to stop them. Literally no way to do so, we couldn't even stop the Nohon let alone both. The Sketch, as an Island nation with the world's best fleet, are very hard to stop right now.
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FREEDOM gives the power of the purse to the Upper House, something we almost certainly will want to invest in the Lower House when they get sufficient experience/education levels/representation of the general populace.
Remember how much trouble it was breaking the Guilds, an entrenched power bloc? Now consider how easy it will be to take back political power from the Upper House to give to the Lower.
At least the Guilds had no military power.
Might as well vote though.
[X] Plan Reliably and gradually
[X] Plan And Lawmaking for All
LoserThree
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Father said home by eleven; there's no need for stealing bases!
[X] Plan Show Some Godsdamned Restraint, People
- [X] [UH] 2 PW - Veto
- [X] [LH] 2 PW - Veto (+1 Temp Happiness)
- [X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
- [X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
Don't rush into this.
[X] Plan Show Some Godsdamned Restraint, People
- [X] [UH] 2 PW - Veto
- [X] [LH] 2 PW - Veto (+1 Temp Happiness)
- [X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
- [X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
Don't rush into this.
Literally removing power from the upper house. They'll love that.
Can I get a cite?
I'm fairly sure we're not just in this to be Sketch lite.
And there are advantages in being a late adopter, and not following too quickly; you allow people work out the kinks first before following suit.
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[X] Plan Reliably and gradually
-[X] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
-[X] [LH] 2 PW - Veto (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation
-[X] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
-[X] [LH] 2 PW - Veto (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation
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[X] Plan Show Some Godsdamned Restraint, People
- [X] [UH] 2 PW - Veto
- [X] [LH] 2 PW - Veto (+1 Temp Happiness)
- [X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
- [X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
- [X] [UH] 2 PW - Veto
- [X] [LH] 2 PW - Veto (+1 Temp Happiness)
- [X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
- [X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
[X] Plan FREEDOM
LoserThree
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The hell it is.
Before: on paper the upper house has veto
After: on paper the upper house has veto
Horologer
Incertae sedis
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- a risen sea
Power balancing the Houses is going to be a pain, but by the same token, upgrading our government's also a huge benefit... Hmmm. I'll think about it.
keenscythe
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Just need to cut them off from resupply ports.
We also have a world-class Navy and if how evenly matched we are with the Hes means anything, world's best isn't an autowin especially if we don't fight them alone and not in another hemisphere from our industrial core.
How many other great powers hate the Sketch again? And how many are we currently also in a coalition with?
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FTFY
They won't be happy, the lower class won't be happy, and our king will likely be facing a revolt in a decade.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
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- a risen sea
De facto they've got lawmaking capability. Don't be abstruse; they'll know when they've lost power, they won't like it, and I don't blame them.
It'll be a step backwards, and the entire point of ConCon is to move forwards.
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Random Member
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Before: the Upper House has a veto on paper but the power of Minor Lawmaking de facto
After: the Upper House only has a veto, both on paper and de facto
Yes, it is taking power away from them. But surely this won't piss off the nobles at all!
Observe.
Enshrining it as veto removes the de facto power that they've had for the last 20 odd years. Hence, lowers the power of the Upper House.
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@Academia Nut what happens if we choose to vote for the UH to only get a veto? Do they lose lawmaking powers they have defacto?
There. Seriously though, how can it be anything else?
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They keep de facto powers and the status quo is kept?
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Press you are about average if still on the autocratic side of things, assembly you are behind most of the other constitution monarchs, but are better than most on minority rights.
The Upper House will interpret Nokly codifying that he has the power in the relationship as an attack on their rights despite the fact that they don't actually have them. This will cause trouble later, even if all Nokly has to do is hold his ground.
If the Upper House doesn't have minor lawmaking or better they will see it as an assault on their privilege and you will probably have calls for a new constitution immediately (but not be able to do it for at least another decade) while if the commoners don't get a parliament with teeth and loosened censorship laws they will also be pissed at the end of the conference and probably be calling for an immediate do over.
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And this is why Nobles can't be trusted.
But I concede the point
@Academia Nut Correct me if I'm wrong, but the sketch are running a more advanced form of government because they've given Parliament the power of the purse?
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I mean he already stated that the lower house simply wants veto.
Most plans don't give them that.