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On the other hand, if I am right, I can just add another trade mission and end up with seven temp Industry so yeah
Because look at this
That is me taking it at face value as he explicitly tells us that is how it works.
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
Because look at this
Like I said, I doubt it works this way since it means we'd rarely ever need to Raise Taxes. Feel free to ask for clarification, but the other plans are not working under this assumption.On the other hand, if I am right, I can just add another trade mission and end up with seven temp Industry so yeah
Because look at this
That is me taking it at face value as he explicitly tells us that is how it works.
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@Academia Nut since continuing this argument makes me want to throw things at Sivantic, rather than doing that how about we settle this once and for all:
Straight up, we cannot use temp stats gained from unspent perm stats we generated in the same turn to pay for anything in that subturn, right? Taking corn's plan for example, he has us gain 2 perm IC, and those 2 temp IC generated from that cannot be spent for anything else the same turn right?
Straight up, we cannot use temp stats gained from unspent perm stats we generated in the same turn to pay for anything in that subturn, right? Taking corn's plan for example, he has us gain 2 perm IC, and those 2 temp IC generated from that cannot be spent for anything else the same turn right?
We want 2 DI's to maybe proc "Tradeing in glass" for what we hope is +SoL and +Edu/ino.
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...you've mentioned this several times now. Mind quoting where AN said something to this effect?
This post is AN saying we are a bit more IC from gaining the mechanical effect of trading in glass. We don't know for sure what that is, but we are hopeing for +SoL and +Edu/ino
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Science sheet updated.
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So it doesn't count if the monarch isn't meaningfully in command anymore?
Looks at Queen Elizabeth's busy schedule of not ruling.
So.... England ceased to count by your standard in about what, 1900?
1688... when a foreign invasion overthrew the gov't and has been ruling since then? So... Doesn't that mean the foreign government is still illegitimately in charge?
Just saying, you reeeeeally have to tailor your definition to be absurdly specific to get 'The UK is the world's oldest nation' in any sense.
Thanks!
Small nitpicks:
Hiding in the Rainbow (7/???)[Science][Unique][Closed]
It was 8/??? In last update, I guess due to +1 from the specialty of academy.
Chemistry
Late 18th Century Chemistry (5/20-30?) [Science][Chemistry][Open]
Was marked as [complete] in last update.
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heh, Im guessing from the sheet that we're going to more often than not get techs related to ones we've completed into the "open" category? A couple questions:
1) Is this something controlled by general Edu/inno levels or something random?
2) Does High Pressure Steam increase the railroad cap/pollution IC cap?
3) I'm assuming we're basically the only ones working on practical breech-loading rifles, so it's going to be a slowboat research?
4) Also, I'm guessing that practical breechloading rifles is giving tech advance to universal rifling as well, since practical breechloaders makes universal rifling pretty damn attractive?
1) Is this something controlled by general Edu/inno levels or something random?
2) Does High Pressure Steam increase the railroad cap/pollution IC cap?
3) I'm assuming we're basically the only ones working on practical breech-loading rifles, so it's going to be a slowboat research?
4) Also, I'm guessing that practical breechloading rifles is giving tech advance to universal rifling as well, since practical breechloaders makes universal rifling pretty damn attractive?
There is one gem that we found, untouched by everyone else. Probably by virtue of having Romanticism cleared out:
Anyone has any idea which ｢Idealism｣ this refers to? Are we going to spawn Not!Kant?
I also really want mid19th century math and logic.
Another research bonus would be very welcome.
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I want those too, and first, but a lot of industry and millitary is gated behind 19th century chemestry. Gun cotton, dynamite, percussion caps. We want all of this. Better armies, cheaper construction costs.
So yeah. We need to bump education and innovation wherever we can.
So yeah. We need to bump education and innovation wherever we can.
1836 Newspaper
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Yet another newspaper.
(Problem? I don't have a problem! I can stop any time I want to!)
*Secretly adjusts brainwashing to increase newspaper output*
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Quite a big chunk of research boosters here, which lines up with the rising costs of 19th century stuff.
Idealism would be an option soon, not sure what it does though, but it's probably behind Math and Logic for us.
Need a shortcut source for this. It's slowing our stuff down.
Interestingly we might skip Late 18th Century Chemistry entirely?
Thats very nice for keeping up on doctrine techs without constantly diving into war...though we keep diving into war so we're getting the ideas really fast when the officers retire from the field into the academies with the skills to frame it properly.
Interestingly, the Doctrine drip also can be applied to naval warfare, not just land, at least by RAW. Alas we lack the physical tools to develop the next naval doctrine.
Hespranxer probably would find Khemetri even stickier once we complete this and can back them up.
Soon. Any naval expansion has a good chance of completing the ship design via drips.
It also helps a lot that the Sketch/OTL Britain used laissez faire capitalism, which was a hell lot more vulnerable to market crashes, which they've been currently staving off by frantically looting SoL from colonies and stuff.
We've been 'halping' by lowering grain prices allowing them to ignore the issue and go even further on extremely profitable short term, long term bad economic practices. On the other side, our early use of the Crown Bank investments and economic paternalism have also caused the Syffryn area to be more conservative with regards to laws on debt.
So main things I expect to see differing from OTL, counting only deviations we've had a hand in:
-The regional economy is far less dependent upon cross-border debt, for fear of Gulmaryn banks doing a de-facto takeover. You'd see a bit less massive debt overdraws...but it ALSO means a fair bit more hoarding of specie is going to be happening to make things work.
-The regional grain market is running smoking hot. Gulmaryn suppression of grain price shifts through control of the breadbaskets of Egypt, Mesopotamia and now Indus Valley, means that the economists and entrepreneurs are running on entirely artificial and unrealistic models.
--Which also means that the urban populations of industrial countries are skyrocketing in response to cheap food being reliably available for the past decade, and the sheer profitability of large urban populations to work factories to buy food.
-The Gulmaryn are sucking up vast amounts of precious metal via trade. It's not really visible due to our scale, but the problem is going to go critical in a few decades due to the regional urban population explosion from artificially depressed grain prices.
-The push against slavery is doing a number on cash crop production. Someone's going to notice the Khemetri drop in incense, spice and gold production once the Hung stop papering it over with tea and silk
-Literally everything is being driven by colony derived luxury goods papering things over in urban centers, but the demand continues to rise, while the supplies are growing less stable as the colonies start going independent.
--Rising pollution also means that any small countries cannot solve this problem via domestic production, because they make more pollution than SoL.
-All this means that the Sketch are skating on an increasingly narrow ledge, and this is important because the Sketch should also have been artificially propping up local economies as THE premier trade power.
--As an example if they snap, then the Hung no longer get Kus grain, which in a chain of snap backs will cause the Khemetri grain prices to crash, which...probably would be good in the long term for them as they transfer this excess into industrialization, might kick them over the edge if they fail to vent their dissidents.
--Since the Hung aren't providing silk and tea via the land route with Gulmaryn after they collapse, these materials rise in price while the supply of Gulmaryn glass and porcelain swells up and we're going to be looking at some very unhappy ceramic corporations as prices drop and they'd be pressuring the government to find them something to dump on.
Nothing individually devastating I think, but they make things worse in JUST the right way that the economies running at the edge of sustainability are going to explode. I don't expect more than first order disruptions though, global economy isn't that closely hooked up yet.
But there's going to be some most amazing fireworks if a major colonial power collapses in a way that cuts off their colonies outright.
A lot of things are relying on those.
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I think that there is simply a miscommunication.
New IC is not available for use in creating new IC within the same cycle, but it is available for use in other things, so long as the total net temp IC remains positive at the end of it all.
We actually completed late 18th century chemistry per drips, it is corrected.
And I expect Idealism to be a rare tech and an improvement for [social] research.
Right, so, we could use temp IC from DI for DTI, correct? As long as we don't hit negatives at the end?
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Maliciously Incompetent
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Why is it that almost everything we do invariably end up dousing everyone around us in kerosene and gunpowder and unlit matches?
It's like our very presence in this timeline is making the whole world more flammable.
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To take a forest analogy, it's actually probably that we don't let fires spring up and 'consume' the kindling too often. So when there is a spark, it starts a massive conflagration.
Like, we ally with, and keep stable, a lot of nations. So when we withdraw support, or can't support them, they explode, and tend to take a lot of the world around them with it.