Uh...if the king dies in the field you're going to be seeing a MAJOR problem. King dying to Republicans is a terrible image
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
Uh...if the king dies in the field you're going to be seeing a MAJOR problem. King dying to Republicans is a terrible image
[X] [CD] 1 PW - Find additional resources (-2 Temp Trust, -1 Espionage, increased chance of success, ???)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Actually, further bank and business shenanigans should be good (+1 Temp IC)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Actually, further bank and business shenanigans should be good (+1 Temp IC)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
Or domestic republicans take it as a divine omen that the age of kings is over and starts shit while we're at war. Currenrly they only shut up due to a sense of affronted nationalism after all.
There's only one way to find that out in-universe.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
My problem is less that we didn't keep our (frankly extreme) values and more that we see them replaced by real world Western values (which especially in the 18th century were far from universal) as if they were some kind of automatic human default. It was, among other factors, the early Roman Christian church that made individual private property popular in Europe. Many cultures even now cling to more collectivist ideas, despite rampant westernization through England and the US exporting their culture. In a world where Rome had a cultural rival like Ymar influencing as far as Scandinavia, and the hellenization of the near East never happened, you'd expect more noticeable differences.
Of course this should be gone. But I'd expect remnants, like much less stigma on suicide and less respect for the elderly who burden society.
This one of course is quick to die without constant top down reinforcement. People looking out for themselves after what used to be meant by "Greater" literally fell apart only makes sense.
This one actually did partially survive as a minority trait if I understood correctly. People near the cores still care about the forests and we are amenable to the economic stewardship thing, more than a typical previously feudal civilization probably would be.
Shouldn't scapegoating similar to Korea still happen quite a bit then?
Backwards and barbaric maybe. But not quite as horrifying as it would seem to real world 18th century Germans for instance. On the other hand the rampant dehumanization of the mentally ill that was typical for the time in Europe should seem worse to the Ymaryn than to any real world contemporary.
Or to put it differently, our reactionary conservatives should look quite different from reactionary conservatives in western Syffryn, let alone real world Europe.
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- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
You know, our attempts to crash the Guild economy might lead the Ymaryn government to essentially do a state takeover and accidentally state communism through thread choices:
1. Guild economies crash, as they overdraw debt.
2. Stewardship kicks in, where the Ymaryn government directly controls the Guild economy to "get it back on stable footing"
3. More Guilds crash, causing the Ymaryn government to control more and more of the economy.
4. Look around for a second and realize basically the entire economy is being run by the Ymaryn government under the Stewardship program
5. Profit???
(pretty obviously wrong, but I find it hilarious to think about)
1. Guild economies crash, as they overdraw debt.
2. Stewardship kicks in, where the Ymaryn government directly controls the Guild economy to "get it back on stable footing"
3. More Guilds crash, causing the Ymaryn government to control more and more of the economy.
4. Look around for a second and realize basically the entire economy is being run by the Ymaryn government under the Stewardship program
5. Profit???
(pretty obviously wrong, but I find it hilarious to think about)
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It is doing shenanigans to get additional funds out of the population without directly taxing them, while also setting up more long term systems to overall increase productivity.
Yes, the Espionage loss is permanent.
Hunrix XI is bouncing around the Etal City States currently.
If you say no it is possible someone else will pick up on the idea and try it themselves.
There are a couple of things that have been bugging me since the start of the Not!Napoleonic War. Does anyone know who has more soldiers or armies, the Tortun Republic or the Ymaryn-Gylruv Dual Monarchy? How do our military troops compare to the Hespranxer Republic? I only know that we have more land area compared to the two but not the standing military strength of the two enemy nations compared to ours.
What is the quality and quantity of Ymaryn soldiers compared to the Gylruv soldiers in the Imperial Army? Are the Qeshyk troops considered special units? Are there any Ymaryn soldiers fighting in the Stymyr battlefield alongside the Gylruv troops? Is it possible to show the current size of the Ymaryn state to the Gylruv state in the Ymaryn-Gylruv Dual Monarchy on the map? Maybe something like state borders? How big is the population of the Tortun and Hespranxer Republics compared to the Ymaryn-Gylruv Dual Monarchy?
What is the quality and quantity of Ymaryn soldiers compared to the Gylruv soldiers in the Imperial Army? Are the Qeshyk troops considered special units? Are there any Ymaryn soldiers fighting in the Stymyr battlefield alongside the Gylruv troops? Is it possible to show the current size of the Ymaryn state to the Gylruv state in the Ymaryn-Gylruv Dual Monarchy on the map? Maybe something like state borders? How big is the population of the Tortun and Hespranxer Republics compared to the Ymaryn-Gylruv Dual Monarchy?
Honestly?
Worth it.
Fumbling this would be really, really bad.
We can raise our Espionage later, but being implicated here could cost us a lot, and lose us oodles of Diplomacy and Trust.
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Emral282
The Fluffy Tail of Now and Forever
- Location
- Moon Cell
[X] [CD] 0 PW - Allow the mission to go forward (-1 Temp Trust, -1 Temp Espionage, chance of switching Hespranxer Republic to a Constitutional Monarchy, chance of failure, small chance of embarrassing failure)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Yes (-1 Temp SoL, +1 Temp Armies)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
Changing to this because Failing and not getting caught is a better result than Succeeding and getting caught, and the not assassinating option isn't looking like it's going to win.
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Yes (-1 Temp SoL, +1 Temp Armies)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
Changing to this because Failing and not getting caught is a better result than Succeeding and getting caught, and the not assassinating option isn't looking like it's going to win.
You do realize that the more resources option has a greater chance of us getting implicated even if we kill the guy right?
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
Throwing extra resources at it increases chances of detection. The lost espionage represents agents and assets and connectionswe expose to get this far.
- Location
- Illinois
[X] [CD] 0 PW - Allow the mission to go forward (-1 Temp Trust, -1 Temp Espionage, chance of switching Hespranxer Republic to a Constitutional Monarchy, chance of failure, small chance of embarrassing failure)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Yes (-1 Temp SoL, +1 Temp Armies)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Yes (-1 Temp SoL, +1 Temp Armies)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
The thing is, 'standard western europe values' are not complicated. They are survival values. Values which maximize immediate social stability and protection of your in group. They ARE particularly common around post-collapse great civilizations because of the unique scenario of people with a lot of advanced tools and weapons without the ability to make more. I.e. they are the natural collapse state.
We developed a number of deviances to that, evidenced in the early rejection of slavery, the unusual care for nature(which is a severely degraded Stewards trait), the unusual concern for social unity and elitism beyond the norm. But go too far beyond that collapse point and you again reach the point where you are looking at traits pushing against basic human nature when people had been forced to revert to human nature
Yes.
Success, not caught: Perfect run. We have an example of constitutional monarchy set up, and if it stabiizes(with our help of course) we can point to divine providence.
Success, Caught: We still have an example of constitutional monarchy set up in a stable testbed. It will hurt relations with extremist Republican states, but moderate Republicans are likely to become more friendly and Monarchists...keep in mind the territory we're doing it in is a hotbed of inter-noble conflict. A royal assassination for political convenience is extreme but not beyond the pale. Ymaryn paternalism is a known diplomatic factor already. It just goes a step further
Failure, not caught: We're STILL stuck between hyper aggressive republicans and things are going downhill.
Failure, Caught: Worst case scenario, where now everyone hates us and now we're going to need to rush defense and defensive nationalism.
Basically? We REALLY need this to succeed or theres no end to the troubles.
[X] [CD] 1 PW - Find additional resources (-2 Temp Trust, -1 Espionage, increased chance of success, ???)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Actually, further bank and business shenanigans should be good (+1 Temp IC)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Actually, further bank and business shenanigans should be good (+1 Temp IC)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
Emral282
The Fluffy Tail of Now and Forever
- Location
- Moon Cell
Or if it gets out the Hespranxer could decide that he's just a foreign puppet, kill him, and double down on Republicanism.
Getting caught assassinating the guy makes it harder for the guy we're installing to do stuff if he gets in power.
We aren't propping him up that much though? We're killing the current claimant to let THEM pick whichever remaining noble is best fit for the Kingship they want. Which happens to fit both their self interest and our interest
Dutch
Bored Spearman of the Wind
- Location
- CET
Getting caught playing kingmaker also gives people the chance to stir up anti-Ymaryn sentiment.
Britain's control of the world trade, wealth and its history of "fighting its wars with pounds sterling instead of blood and always searching for dupes op the continent" was one of the reasons why many were initially eager to join Napoleon's crusade against it.
Britain's control of the world trade, wealth and its history of "fighting its wars with pounds sterling instead of blood and always searching for dupes op the continent" was one of the reasons why many were initially eager to join Napoleon's crusade against it.
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- Location
- Sweden
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Actually, further bank and business shenanigans should be good (+1 Temp IC)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
[X] [CD] 1 PW - Find additional resources (-2 Temp Trust, -1 Espionage, increased chance of success, ???)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Yes (-1 Temp SoL, +1 Temp Armies)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Yes (-1 Temp SoL, +1 Temp Armies)
[X] [King] 0 PW - Wyrmyn Front (increased civilian confidence, lower risk)
Emral282
The Fluffy Tail of Now and Forever
- Location
- Moon Cell
The plan is explicitly to put this guy we found with a claim to the throne in charge of Hespranxer after we assassinate the other guy.
- Location
- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
[X] [King] 1 PW - Styrmyr Front (increased military morale boost, increased risk)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Yes (-1 Temp SoL, +1 Temp Armies)
[X] [CD] 0 PW - Allow the mission to go forward (-1 Temp Trust, -1 Temp Espionage, chance of switching Hespranxer Republic to a Constitutional Monarchy, chance of failure, small chance of embarrassing failure)
[X] [Taxes] 1 PW - Yes (-1 Temp SoL, +1 Temp Armies)
[X] [CD] 0 PW - Allow the mission to go forward (-1 Temp Trust, -1 Temp Espionage, chance of switching Hespranxer Republic to a Constitutional Monarchy, chance of failure, small chance of embarrassing failure)
No, it's not. The royalists and the others will do so themselves after Hunrix dies.