10ebbor10
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We're at 5 with a cap at 7, IIRC. However both 6 and 7 create pollution.
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
We're at 5 with a cap at 7, IIRC. However both 6 and 7 create pollution.
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- Sweden
7,5 or 5+50%
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- France
I am afraid we will have pollution wathever we do, it just come with the times we are in. We can escape this, but we will suffer from it. A lot. Basically stopping industrialization.
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Romv
A Memory of TREES
@Academia Nut What's the most heinous stereotype foreigners have of the noble YmarGulruvian?? Or really just stereotypes in general.
Interesting. This means that with Prototype Railroad, our cap will be 9 IC. (6 + 50% = 9). That lets us regen 5 Temp IC per turn, which is a lot of wiggle room for Develop Transport Infrastructure. That's enough where we legitimately might be able to take 2x DTI without dropping everything else to do it.
It'll come with 3 Pollution, but that's life in the industrial age. We just need to raise SoL so no one notices that cities are awful.
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@Academia Nut can you do a short 1828 National Stereotypes update?
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Potentially. Like, whether you come off as aggressive or having the initiative if you declare first, or as cool headed pragmatists or reactive if you declare second will be largely about what other actions you take that can potentially shape the narrative.
Well, they tend to be more than a little piratical so they can hurt trade in ways that annoys the major mercantile powers, but the Coalition Wars massively disrupted a lot of their colonial efforts, and the Nohon have been reshaping their foreign policy in ways that suggest that they now consider the Hung not an overwhelming overlord but a potential prize. You would most likely have to make friends with the relevant powers in the region first to be able to convince them that bombarding the Hung Cantons into submission and forcibly opening the kingdom up for trade on their terms would be a bad idea.
5 without pollution, 7 with pollution.
Sexual deviancy.
Probably.
Negaverse Hung Intelligence Report 1828 EY
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Diplomatic Dispatch From The Nohon
Diplomats from the ports open to foreigners note that the number of traders from the Vortuga and Hespranxia have massively decreased in recent years. Some prodding of merchants, both from the affected nations and the others who have come to fill the gap, reveal that a series of wars have gravely weakened those two barbarian nations. This does explain the reduction in the amount of silver the foreign powers have had to trade in recent years, though there is some hope that with the relative peace right now, trade may pick up again soon, bringing much needed silver with it.
The Nohon are also pleased to inform the court that their jobs have been made significantly easier in the past few years with the weakening of the Syffrynites. They believe that there will be no need to worry about increased piracy in the coming years. A relief to many in the Court, as there was great debate on whether the funds could be found to increase the navy if needed.
The Nohon have expressed concern at the recent aggression shown by the Ymaryngylruv at ports. They have hinted at requesting restriction of some of their normal tributary rights if such belligerence continues, though many officials have pointed out that the Ymaryngylruv have been fairly peaceful within the ports themselves, and as such any aggression is likely only directed towards the Nohon.
A.N: Moratorium ends now, go ahead and vote.
Note: Just a quick thing that came to mind when I saw our rumor mill. Was wondering what the Hung one was like...
Diplomats from the ports open to foreigners note that the number of traders from the Vortuga and Hespranxia have massively decreased in recent years. Some prodding of merchants, both from the affected nations and the others who have come to fill the gap, reveal that a series of wars have gravely weakened those two barbarian nations. This does explain the reduction in the amount of silver the foreign powers have had to trade in recent years, though there is some hope that with the relative peace right now, trade may pick up again soon, bringing much needed silver with it.
The Nohon are also pleased to inform the court that their jobs have been made significantly easier in the past few years with the weakening of the Syffrynites. They believe that there will be no need to worry about increased piracy in the coming years. A relief to many in the Court, as there was great debate on whether the funds could be found to increase the navy if needed.
The Nohon have expressed concern at the recent aggression shown by the Ymaryngylruv at ports. They have hinted at requesting restriction of some of their normal tributary rights if such belligerence continues, though many officials have pointed out that the Ymaryngylruv have been fairly peaceful within the ports themselves, and as such any aggression is likely only directed towards the Nohon.
A.N: Moratorium ends now, go ahead and vote.
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Note: Just a quick thing that came to mind when I saw our rumor mill. Was wondering what the Hung one was like...
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Romv
A Memory of TREES
... Acceptable
10ebbor10
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Anyway, I think the topvoted plan is Cornuthaum's.
[][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1832 v2
-[][Agenda] Diplomatic Outreach - 1 PW: -1 Temp SoL, +2 Temp Trust (The Hung Empire)
-[][Agenda] Declare Rival - 1 PW, -1 Trust, Declares another nation a Rival, altering interactions and costs with them. Rival must be a Peer. Max 3 rivals. (The Nohon Empire)
-[][Agenda] Diplomatic Outreach - 2 PW: +1 Trust, -3 Temp Trust - The Tortun Duchies)
-[][Agenda] Improve Standard of Living 2PW: Increases SoL by 1, -1 IC
-[][Agenda] Increase Armies - 2PW: Increases Armies by 1, -1 IC
-[][Agenda] Develop Industry - 1 PW: Increases IC and Active Development by 2, -2 Temp IC
-[][Agenda] Develop Transport Infrastructure - 1 PW, -3 Temp IC, +1 Max Development, (8 more uses to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status, 3 more uses to remove Isolated Hinterlands) (0 PW for the first use a turn)
-[][Agenda] Launch Espionage Mission - 1 PW to start, variable additional PW, Trust, and Espionage (The Conservative Party of the Dual Monarchy of Gylruv-Ymaryn)
I have a few complains about this plan.
1) It doesn't take the free IC expansion. This is simply a waste, as the plan has free Temp IC available.
2) Declaring Nohon a rival is completely premature. I see no reason and no benefit in doing it.
3) Doesn't provide a tech research boost to take advantage of the Sketch interest
[][Agenda] Plan Cornuthaum 1832 v2
-[][Agenda] Diplomatic Outreach - 1 PW: -1 Temp SoL, +2 Temp Trust (The Hung Empire)
-[][Agenda] Declare Rival - 1 PW, -1 Trust, Declares another nation a Rival, altering interactions and costs with them. Rival must be a Peer. Max 3 rivals. (The Nohon Empire)
-[][Agenda] Diplomatic Outreach - 2 PW: +1 Trust, -3 Temp Trust - The Tortun Duchies)
-[][Agenda] Improve Standard of Living 2PW: Increases SoL by 1, -1 IC
-[][Agenda] Increase Armies - 2PW: Increases Armies by 1, -1 IC
-[][Agenda] Develop Industry - 1 PW: Increases IC and Active Development by 2, -2 Temp IC
-[][Agenda] Develop Transport Infrastructure - 1 PW, -3 Temp IC, +1 Max Development, (8 more uses to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status, 3 more uses to remove Isolated Hinterlands) (0 PW for the first use a turn)
-[][Agenda] Launch Espionage Mission - 1 PW to start, variable additional PW, Trust, and Espionage (The Conservative Party of the Dual Monarchy of Gylruv-Ymaryn)
I have a few complains about this plan.
1) It doesn't take the free IC expansion. This is simply a waste, as the plan has free Temp IC available.
2) Declaring Nohon a rival is completely premature. I see no reason and no benefit in doing it.
3) Doesn't provide a tech research boost to take advantage of the Sketch interest
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- France
@Academia Nut can we have our conscript Rotate to make Roads and bridge? Aside from infrastructure, I am also hoping to get some military tech and traditions out of this 
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For now, back when she first arrived it was a, combination of our settlers in Kyberia and our traders acting on a Diplomatic outreach that made them send her to marry a Khan, since then we have not had a outreach i believe (and done a quick check). If we combine a diplomatic mission along with her testimony then both will act as witnesses to each other. The fact that we have not made any diplomatic outreach since she arrived has probably contributed to why they dismiss her letters.
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So, any Nohon Containment Effort would have to focus first on establishing the value of not bombing Hung into submission and playing up Nohonese piracy as bad for trade.
Relevant powers in the region, to clarify, are Sketch, Vortuga, Hespranxer and Halvyni, right?
(edit: all the while poking Hung to wake the fuck up...honestly, them being bombed would do some good to them, if they don't blow up into decades of warlords and megadeth rebellions)
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Dutch
Bored Spearman of the Wind
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I've been wondering for a while now if the thread is going to pull a Napoleon III.
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can we have our conscript Rotate to make Roads and bridge? Aside from infrastructure, I am also hoping to get some military tech and traditions out of this
Possibly.
Official military engineering rather than sapping or working the cannons is likely going to come up soonish. Probably be a choice in the next Mil Tech draw.
Correct on both counts.
Look, I can't detail it out without breaking the rules, but suffice it to say a lot of people get entirely the wrong picture from talk about the public baths and how remarkably chill you are towards the Black Sheep, who everyone knows are filled with harems of barely clad women surrounding silk clad princes smoking opium from hookahs, so obviously the People must consider that tame.
HanEmpire
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Strong Industrialized Hung is inevitable whether it's a century or two from now. Since we're playing a game that'll stretch out into the Space Age, we need to make sure we're on the Hung's good side.
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eh true enough considering what most of the thread is aiming for (I mean I'm not but still).
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- Sweden
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Uh, nice to know.
Or, and hear me here, we could not have the Hung get industrialized and have Imperialist Ideal trickle in during the Era of Imperialism and not have them decide that maybe they should be the one colonizing Kyberia, and all of Asia for that matter.
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Not if, and hear me now, we eat them.
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- Sweden
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Is the reason why they have dismissed Weihar's letters because we have not had proper diplomatic exchange with them since she married Nokly?
Is the reason why they have dismissed Weihar's letters because we have not had proper diplomatic exchange with them since she married Nokly?
10ebbor10
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Nah, the reason is because they dismiss everything.