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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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[X] [Research] Standardized Rifling (0/30) [Military]
[X] [Research] Mechanized Loom (0/???) [Industrial]

[X] [Agenda] Plan 8bit
-[Agenda] 1 PW - Develop Industry
-[Agenda] 1 PW - Claim Kyberi Territory
-[Agenda] 2 PW - Improve Standard of Living

Somewhat tentative but gaining more industry and standardize our army are good direction to take. A bit iffy on claiming more land, but having some more resources wouldn't be bad for industrial beast eats everything.
 
8bitBob said:
Are you advocating Develop Transport Infrastructure? Because we can't really take that right now and doing so would be really difficult. Need more IC before it is viable.
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Science development. You need really cheap steel and steam engines. Current shortest path is Rifling(machining techs) + Looms(path to Factory), but we need Logic to accelerate the process and Academies.

More importantly...republican sentiment will rise more rapidly with a large, underdeveloped land expansion on top of recently assimilated and underdeveloped land.

So thats the main hazards we face here.
 
Well, my initial plot last quest was lack of religion, let us see how long we can have our monarchy last will be this one:cool:
[X] [Research] Early Abstract Calculus (0/15-25?) [Science]
[X] [Research] Standardized Rifling (0/30) [Military]

Increase Standardization is key to industry, whichever form it may take. Mathematics is always helpful. >3>

[X] [Agenda] Plan Roads
-[X] 1 PW Claim Kyberi Territory
-[X] 1 PW - Develop Industry
-[X] 1 PW - Support Industrial Research


@8bitBob Your plan is invalid

Develop Industry - 1PW: Increases IC and Active Development by 1, -1 Temp IC

Improve Standard of Living - 1PW: Temp Increases SoL by 1, -1 Temp IC
2PW: Increases SoL by 1, -1 IC

Claim Kyberi Territory - 1 PW, -1 Temp IC, +2 Max Development, increases required Transport Infrastructure to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status
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Your plan uses up three Industry Capacity, we only have 2 available to us right now.
 
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Sivantic said:
Well, my initial plot last quest was lack of religion, let us see how long we can have our monarchy last will be this one:cool:
[X] [Research] Early Abstract Calculus (0/15-25?) [Science]
[X] [Research] Standardized Rifling (0/30) [Military]

Increase Standardization is key to industry, whichever form it may take. Mathematics is always helpful. >3>

[X] [Agenda] Plan Roads
-[X] 1 PW Claim Kyberi Territory
-[X] 1 PW - Develop Industry


@8bitBob Your plan is invalid



Your plan uses up three Industry Capacity, we only have 2 available to us right now.
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Nah, it uses 2 temp IC and 1 permanent IC. As I understand it, that is valid.

@Academia Nut Just to check, is this plan valid:

[] [Agenda] Plan 8bit
-[Agenda] 1 PW - Develop Industry
-[Agenda] 1 PW - Claim Kyberi Territory
-[Agenda] 2 PW - Improve Standard of Living
 
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So...those islands that the Scotch have.

Don't look like OL!British Isles.

Also there appears to be a land bridge for Cuba and the Florida panhandle?

Anybody else notice anything?
 
[X] [Research] Early Abstract Calculus (0/15-25?) [Science]
[X] [Research] Standardized Rifling (0/30) [Military]
[X] [Agenda] Plan Roads

Oh yeah. Math. Need that.
 
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    • 8bitBob said:
    Nah, it uses 2 temp IC and 1 permanent IC. As I understand it, that is valid.

    @Academia Nut Just to check, is this plan valid?:

    [X] [Agenda] Plan 8bit
    -[Agenda] 1 PW - Develop Industry
    -[Agenda] 1 PW - Claim Kyberi Territory
    -[Agenda] 2 PW - Improve Standard of Living
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    Two temp, 1 permanent decrease, and 1 permanent increase is allowed, so long as the final number comes to 0. I will be removing most of the timing rules for this version.
     
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    • [X] [Research] Early Abstract Calculus (0/15-25?) [Science]
    [X] [Research] Standardized Rifling (0/30) [Military]
    [X] [Agenda] Plan Roads
     
    keenscythe said:
    Wait What?! We need to build up our permanent IC so we can actually develop our infrastructure.
    Why are people voting to lower that stat?!?
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    Actually it raises it back up to three again.
    Academia Nut said:
    Two temp, 1 permanent decrease, and 1 permanent increase is allowed, so long as the final number comes to 0. I will be removing most of the timing rules for this version.
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    Ahh

    I was not sure if the permenent decrease came with a temp decrease or not.

    Either way, I do not want to spend over half our Political Will without even having a chance to see how much midturn projects costs or what sort of urgency they can take.
     
    HanEmpire said:
    Russia expanded into Siberia at break-neck speed on foot y'know. Railroad is needed to develop the place but it's not needed to stake out claims.
    Note that Russia reached the Bering Sea in 1689.
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    Technically, yes. In reality, even now population density in Siberia on average is 6 humans/km^2.
    Besides, in 1649-1689 Russians fought with China over which one of them would extract tribute from tribes around river Amur. Russian casualties amounted to about one thousand men over forty years of fighting. (and most of them happened during one campaign near the end of the war)

    That area was populated only by local tribes and rare forts built by fur traders and tribute collectors then.
     
    HeWhoAdds said:
    > 1533 - 1689
    > Breakneck

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    If it seems slow to you, then all the more reason to start now.
    FortTell said:
    Technically, yes. In reality, even now population density in Siberia on average is 6 humans/km^2.
    Besides, in 1649-1689 Russians fought with China over which one of them would extract tribute from tribes around river Amur. Russian casualties amounted to about one thousand men over forty years of fighting. (and most of them happened during one campaign near the end of the war)

    That area was populated only by local tribes and rare forts built by fur traders and tribute collectors then.
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    It was still Russian, and that's what matters.
     
    keenscythe said:
    Wait What?! We need to build up our permanent IC so we can actually develop our infrastructure.
    Why are people voting to lower that stat?!?
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    We're capped at 3 IC due to Guild Mercantalism. We literally cannot raise it higher than 3 right now, so plan Roads doesn't work, which I just reconfirmed in Discord with AN. @Sivantic
    You could not raise it to a total of 4, but if you committed IC to something this turn and the final value was 3 or less that would be acceptable
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    Additionally, Standard of Living dictates our Happiness. We are at 3 Happiness, which is quite low. Raising our Standard of Living increases it to 4.

    E: Never mind, my bad. We are indeed currently at 2 perm IC, not 3. I had assumed the format meant 2 out of 3 temp IC. Plan Roads is valid, though my reasons for wanting to improve SoL are still valid.
     
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    So, how difficult would it be to develop wooden skyscrappers ala Cross Laminated Timber?

    We got to make use of the Boreal forest somehow!
     
    Sivantic said:
    Actually it raises it back up to three again.
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    Its 2 now, unless we have 1 of our IC already tied up in something already.
    I think 3 is the most we can build up to with our current tech/resources hence the 2/3 thing.

    Edit: Nvm apparently its do to our economic system, so we need to kill the guilds yesterday.
    Is the Guillotine invented yet?

    Need to be able to be at 3 IC to take the develop infrastructure action
    Which when done enough will remove the Undeveloped hinterland penalty.
     
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    @8bitBob You may want to go back an edit out your latest vote, because the first link to the plan is from someone else and certainly not the latest version.
     
    HanEmpire said:
    If it seems slow to you, then all the more reason to start now.
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    I'd rather not start when the opportunity cost is so high. Expanding into Siberia significantly delays meaningful industrial expansion, improving our education system by removing the Undeveloped Hinterlands malus, or boosting our Innovation score to the point that we can increase Permanent SoL with Temp IC.
     
    Thing is, folks, both Science techs likely accelearate research rate, which is, you know, important for research speed.
     
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