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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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I'd stall any actual intervention in Europe for a year, using the time to build up the more professional part of the army and letting the war exhaustion and debt build up among the combatants.
 
So, something nobody has talked about, what is the plant that's causing trouble in Siberia?
Academia Nut said:
Asking for a bit more detail, it had come out that in the region in question there was a plant considered sacred to primitive tribes for it's medicinal properties, and the latest settlers had been disturbing these plants somehow
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It's not going to turn out to be an addictive drug, right?
 
SeptimusMagisto said:
Because wars are expensive and deadly. Sometimes they're necessary, but we could easily lose more in a war than we'd make from the ports for decades.
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Maybe ten or twenty years, but that's hardly any time. Wars can be quite profitable, and more than that, the prestige of victory is quite important.

This is not an age where you should just sit around peacefully because you don't want to spend money going to war, this is a time where you need to hammer down the borders of your nation - and seizing access to the Pacific is a treasure worth going to war for all by itself.

SeptimusMagisto said:
Why would we do that? We're already close to everything important.
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Why did the British - a thallasocratic empire - claim every island they could?

Why did the USA - a thallasocratic empire - steal every island it could and claim the rest?

Reach. Basing. The ability to project power and tell other nations that you can, in fact, reach out and touch them if you have to.

Isolationism is what fucked the old Ymaryn empire and you want to go straight back to that?
 
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Citino said:
So, something nobody has talked about, what is the plant that's causing trouble in Siberia?

It's not going to turn out to be an addictive drug, right?
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It... You know, given the shape of the nation it could easily be opium poppies.

Cornuthaum said:
Maybe ten or twenty years, but that's hardly any time. Wars can be quite profitable, and more than that, the prestige of victory is quite important.

This is not an age where you should just sit around peacefully because you don't want to spend money going to war, this is a time where you need to hammer down the borders of your nation - and seizing access to the Pacific is a treasure worth going to war for all by itself.



Why did the British - a thallasocratic empire - claim every island they could?

Why did the USA - a thallasocratic empire - steal every island it could and claim the rest?

Reach. Basing. The ability to project power and tell other nations that you can, in fact, reach out and touch them if you have to.
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Good points.
 
So, with the knowledge that DI costs nothing but PW, why exactly do we vote for temp IC instead of PW to get the real deal or, perhaps more wisely if it's needed, SoL to keep happiness high? @Academia Nut, do we lose current temp Cons at the beginning of the next turn? And is current temp SoL from nobility bonus? I can't quite parse the last sentence.
 
[X] [Kyberi] 1 PW - Send in proper negotiators and scholars to sort it all out (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, situation resolved, ???)
[X] [Crisis] 0 PW - Remain neutral and watch (-1 Temp Trust)
[X] [Paying] 0 PW - Bank and Business Fun
-[X] [Paying] +1 Temp IC

The paying vote makes me nervous. Nothing is free

Academia Nut said:
crown forests cleared for immediately sellable wood and more land
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[:mob:] [Crisis] 2 PW - Declare war on the Tortun Republic
 
Fortunately, IIRC anyway, even our common folk desire our forests, since a decent number of them make their living from them. A reminder than land lost to western rebels will see infrastructure burned and food stolen to feed their armies (who would roll through and leave only a thin line for defense, probably) would probably make even local republican agitators uncomfortable.
 
Cornuthaum said:
Straight up, why?

Getting locked out of the pacific would be right dreadful for trade (money, delicious, delicious money), winning a war is good for national prestige, and we have thallasocratic ambitions which most assuredly means we want as many ports in as many places as we can physically get.

In fact, I would very much suggest we Colonialize some of the pacific islands and spots of the American west coast (or, say, take over Hawaii) and Madagascar and then put fleet bases there, everywhere, to extend our reach.
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We can also have access to that ocean via that little purple strip on the map between Khem and Black Sheep, which I think corresponds to a large river.

We can also make the canal and diplo-annex Khem, which.
 
[X] [Kyberi] 1 PW - Sendin proper negotiators and scholars to sort it all out (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, situation resolved, ???)

[X] [Crisis] 1 PW - Send aid to the Kielmyr (-1 temp SoL, +1 Temp Trust)

[X] [Paying] 0 PW - Bank and Business Fun
-[X] [Paying] +1 Temp SoL

There'll come a reckoning, with social upheaval, chaos, and the end to the current government. That'll be needed to go on.

BUT FIRST, THE EAST!
 
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agumentic said:
So, with the knowledge that DI costs nothing but PW, why exactly do we vote for temp IC instead of PW to get the real deal or, perhaps more wisely if it's needed, SoL to keep happiness high? @Academia Nut, do we lose current temp Cons at the beginning of the next turn? And is current temp SoL from nobility bonus? I can't quite parse the last sentence.
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Yeah, I guess there's really no need not to do, especially since there are no complicated timing rules to mess stuff up.

Edit: Technically there's narrative benefit of weakening the guilds I think.

[X] [Kyberi] 1 PW - Send in proper negotiators and scholars to sort it all out (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, situation resolved, ???)
[X] [Crisis] 1 PW - Send aid to the Kielmyr (-1 temp SoL, +1 Temp Trust)
[X] [Paying] 0 PW - Bank and Business Fun
-[X] [Paying] +1 Temp SoL
 
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Still don't get why people value +1 temp IC more than +1 permanent IC (not usable for 1 turn, via +1 PW -> Develop Industry)

Are we really that desperate that we need to take all the Kyberi land next turn? Doing so over the next 2-3 turns seems safer and smarter and gives us more permanent stats.
 
notgreat said:
Still don't get why people value +1 temp IC more than +1 permanent IC (not usable for 1 turn, via +1 PW -> Develop Industry)

Are we really that desperate that we need to take all the Kyberi land next turn? Doing so over the next 2-3 turns seems safer and smarter and gives us more permanent stats.
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Because every turn we delay gives the Nohon a bigger stranglehold on the eastern coast of Kyberia. And Frankly, that is unacceptable.
 
Cornuthaum said:
Straight up, why?

Getting locked out of the pacific would be right dreadful for trade (money, delicious, delicious money), winning a war is good for national prestige, and we have thallasocratic ambitions which most assuredly means we want as many ports in as many places as we can physically get.

In fact, I would very much suggest we Colonialize some of the pacific islands and spots of the American west coast (or, say, take over Hawaii) and Madagascar and then put fleet bases there, everywhere, to extend our reach.
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Because we are not guaranteed to win, and getting into wars without surety of victory is counterproductive.

Case in point: IRL Russo-Japanese war.
 
keenscythe said:
Because every turn we delay gives the Nohon a bigger stranglehold on the eastern coast of Kyberia. And Frankly, that is unacceptable.
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Unless you think it's all going to be claimed by the end of next turn, that's irrelevant.

Over 2 turns it's the same value, and after 3 we start turning a profit (assuming beneficial rounding.)
 
Cornuthaum said:
This is not an age where you should just sit around peacefully because you don't want to spend money going to war, this is a time where you need to hammer down the borders of your nation - and seizing access to the Pacific is a treasure worth going to war for all by itself.
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It's a gamble, though. A lot of nations lost big going to war. It may be worth it, I just want us to keep the costs in mind.

Cornuthaum said:
Isolationism is what fucked the old Ymaryn empire and you want to go straight back to that?
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Not really, but I'd like to focus our efforts on the Indian Ocean and Central Asia, with a wary eye on Europe. There's zero reason to be seizing islands all over the place.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by HanEmpire on Mar 2, 2018 at 1:21 PM, finished with 196 posts and 48 votes.
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