I was memeing when I suggested this at first, but I'm pretty sure we gotta vote for this when it comes out.

[ ] Research: Psionic Theory (Unique)

Hey @Academia Nut , since we're a materialist civ, that means we have to wait until someone which Expertise: Psionics shows up, right?
 
Nationalism developed as a movement of resistance against the forcibly internationalism of the Napoleonic Empire. Napoleon thought that people everywhere wanted and deserved to be equal. Since this international system was essentially French, the nationalistic movements were anti-French; and because Napoleon was an autocrat, they were anti-autocratic. The nationalism of the period was a mixture of the conservative and the liberal. Some nationalists, mostly conservative, insisted the value of their own unique institutions, customs, folkways and historical development, which they feared would be obliterated by the new internationalist system. Most liberals on the other hand despised the Internationalist system because of its autocratic nature. They insisted on more self-determination, more participation in the government, more representative institutions, and more freedom for the individual.

Nationalism was therefor very complex and manifested itself in different countries in different ways. In England it created a sense of national solidarity as people from all classes stood against Napoleon's Empire. The decades long struggles to address parliamentary inequalities and the historic English liberties were forgotten, and this newfound feeling of (temporary) unity helped the county through the difficult social crisis that was the early industrial revolution. Dislocation, misery, unemployment and revolutionary agitation were overcome by patriotic need for resistance against the French. In Spain nationalism drew its greatest strength from counterrevolutionary sentiments aiming to restore the Bourbons and the clergy (it was Napoleons uncompromising stance on the secular nature of the state that drew the most ire in Spain). In Italy the Napoleonic system was better liked then in Spain. The many Italian cities had a developed a strong sense of anticlericalism while the middle classes admired and prized the efficiency and enlightenment of the French methods. The French regime, which lasted for almost twenty years, broke the habit of loyalty to various duchies, republics, foreign dynasties and even the Papal States. While Napoleon never united Italy, he consolidated it, and French influence brought a desire for a politically unified Italy into the bounds of reasonable possibility. Amongst Poles, Napoleon encouraged national feelings. He repeatedly told them that they might win a restored an unified Poland by faithfully fighting in his cause. A few Polish nationalist, like Kosciusko, never trusted Napoleon. Others, like Czartoryski, looked towards Tsar Alexander (who in his early years considered the partitions to have been a crime, and wished to restore the Kingdom in personal union with Russia) for a restoration of the Polish Kingdom. But in general, the Poles, for their own national reasons, were exceptionally devoted to the emperor of the French and long lamented his passing.

By far the most momentous new national movement developed in Germany. The Germans rebelled not only against the Napoleonic order but also against the century-old ascendency of French civilization. They rebelled no only against the French armies but also against much of the philosophy of the Enlightenment. Culture flourished in Germany during the years of the French Revolution. Beethoven, Goethe, Schiller, Herder, Kant, Fichte, Hegel, Schleiermacher, and many others left their mark in this period. German ideas fell in with the new movement of romanticism. Which was emerging everywhere to challenge the dry abstractions of the age of reason and shaped new themes, literature, music, arts and historical research. Romanticism fueled a growing German critique of the 18th​ century French culture and spread German influence into the culture and politics of other European nations. In the 19th​ century Germans became widely regarded as intellectual leaders, like the French had been in the previous century. Because of this, many features of German thought were connected with anti-intellectual themes of nationalism and romantic philosophy. Formerly (and especially in the century following the peace of Westphalia) the Germans had been the least nationally minded of all the larger European peoples. They prided themselves on their world citizenship and cosmopolitan outlook. From their small lands, they were conscious of Europe, of other counties, but not of Germany. The Holy Roman Empire was neither a forceful political power or a nation with a well defined national culture. The German world had no well defined border, from the Lowlands and Alsace in the west, to Poland, Bohemia and the upper Balkans in the east. Germany was not a cultural or political existence. The upper classes, becoming contemptuous of much that was German, adopted French fashions, dress, etiquette, manners, ideas, and language, regarding them as an international norm of civilized living. Frederick the Great hired French tax collectors and wrote his own books in French.

Around 1780 signs of a change set in. Even Frederick, in his later years, predicted a golden age of German literature, proudly declaring that Germans could do what other nations had done. In 1784 a book appeared called Ideas on the Philosophy of the History of Man by Johann Gottfried von Herder. Herder was an earnest soul, a Protestant pastor and theologian who had once lived in Paris and found the French somewhat frivolous. He concluded that imitation of foreign ways made people shallow and artificial. He declared that German ways were different from French but not for that reason any less worth of respect. All culture or civilization, he held, must arise from native roots. It must also arise from the life of the common people, the Volk, not from the cosmopolitan and artificial life of the upper classes. Each group of people who share the same language, Herder argued, also shared their own distinctive attitude, spirit of genius. A sound civilization must express national character or Volksgeist. And the character if each people was special to itself. Herder did not believe the nations to be in conflict, he simply insisted that they were different. He did not believe German culture to be the best, many other peoples (notably the Slavs), therefor found his ideas applicable to their own nationalist needs. His philosophy of history was also different from that of Voltaire and other philosophers, who had believed that all of humanity would follow the same path towards reason and enlightenment, leading to ideal but similar civilizations. Herder thought that all people should develop their own genius in their own way, like a plantlike growth, avoiding sudden change or distortion by outside influence, and all reflecting in their diversity, the richness of humanity (and God).

The idea of the Volksgeist soon passed to other counties within the movement of romantic thought. Like much else of romanticism, it emphasized genius or intuition rather than reason. It stressed the differences rather than the similarity of mankind. It broke down the sense of human similarity or universality that had been characteristic of the Age of Enlightenment, and that had revealed itself in the French and American doctrines of the rights of man, or again in the law codes of Napoleon. In the past it had usually been thought that whatever was truly good was good for all peoples. Good poetry, for example, had certain classical principles that were the same for al writers. According to Herder and other romanticists, good poetry was poetry that expressed inner genius, either individual genius or the genius of a people. There were no more old classical rules. Good and just laws, according to old philosophies of natural law, corresponded to a standard of justice that was the same for all people. But now, good laws were laws that corresponded with local conditions. There were no rules other than the rule that each nation should follow its own path.

Herder's philosophy set forth cultural nationalism, but without a political message. Germans had long been a nonpolitical people, the lesser princes of the Empire had no significant political messages to think about, the larger states excluded them from public affairs. The French revolution made the Germans acutely conscious of the state. It showed what people could do with a powerful state once they took it over and used it for their own purposes. For one thing, the French had raised themselves to the dignity of citizenship, they had become free individuals, responsible for themselves, taking part in the affairs of their country. For another thing, because they had a unified state that included all French people, and one in which a whole nation surged with a new sense of freedom, they were able to rise above all the other nations of Europe. Many in Germany were beginning to feel humiliated by paternalism of their governments. The Holy Roman Empire, ever the battlefield of Europe and ever squabbling, now filled them with shame. They looked on with disgust how the princes would bicker amongst themselves and disgraced themselves before the French to promote their own interests. The national awakening of Germany (which set in strongly after 1800) was not only directed against Napoleon and the French, but also against the German rulers and the Frenchified German upper classes. It stressed the superior virtue of the common people. Germans became fascinated by the idea if political and national greatness precisely because they had neither. A great national German state, expressing the deep moral will and distinctive culture of the German people, seemed to offer a solution to all their problems. It would give moral dignity to the individual German, solve the issue of the selfish princes, protect the German Volksgeist from violation and secure the Germans from subjugation by rival powers.
The nationalist movement was led by intellectuals following the idea of Herder's Volksgeist, who often found it necessary to instill into their compatriots the very idea of nationality. For this they began with cultural nationalism, believing that each people had cultural aspects (language, history, world view, culture, ect) that had to be preserved and perfected. It was clear that France and Great Britain flourished because they were unified nations. This led to a period of rising national agitation in Germany after 1815, the Italian Risorgimento and the Slavic revival. To protect their cultures, they believed political nationalism to be needed. In order to protect the rights, culture and freedom of its individual members, each nation should create for itself a sovereign state. Thereby affirming the existence of national identities and rejecting the old system of dynastic states that regularly traded territories and people amongst royal families. Nationalists argued that governing authorities should be of the same nationality and language of the people that they governed and all people who shared a culture and language should share the same state. Because this could not be done without overthrowing every government east of the Rhine, nationalism was inherently revolutionary. For this reason nationalist were persecuted and many were forced to meet in secret fellowships.

To many Germans, divided and politically frustrated, nationality became the most important component of collective and personal identities. Because of this, nationalism seeped into every aspect of German culture. Examples of this can be found in the journeys of the brothers Grimm, the philosophies of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and Leopold von Ranke or the economic theories of Friedrich List.

In eastern Europe the Poles and Hungarians had long been active political nationalists, the Poles wished to undo the partitions of their homeland and reestablish their Polish state. The Hungarians insisted on political autonomy within the Habsburg Empire. But most nationalism in eastern Europe remained cultural rather than political. Centuries of integration and conquest had submerged the Czechs, Slovaks, Ruthenians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats, Slovenes and even the Poles and Hungarians to a degree. The upper classes spoke German or French and, like the German princes, looked towards Paris or Vienna for ideas, fashions and culture. The native languages had been reduced to peasant languages barely known by anyone other than the lower classes. It seemed like these languages were doomed to disappear. But in the early 19th​ century intellectuals began to demand the preservation of their historic cultures. They collected folktales and ballads, studied languages, composed grammar and dictionaries (often for the first time) and took to writing books in their own mother tongues. They urged the upper classes to give up their foreign ways and wrote histories of the exploits of their peoples. This fueled an eastern cultural revival that reached as far as Russia.

As shortly mentioned, interwoven with the rise of nationalism was romanticism. Romanticism was primarily a theory of literature and arts. As a theory of arts it raised basic questions about the nature of human knowledge, the importance of human senses, the relation between thought and feeling, the meaning of the past and time, and the nature of creativity. Romanticism rejects the emphasis on classical rules and rational order. It focusses on the visions of creative individuals. Most fundamentally, it focusses on the love of the unclassifiable, moods, impressions, stories, scenes, sounds, experiences, customs and feelings. Things intellectuals could never classify, explain away, box up, or reduce to a generalization. It emphasizes the value of feelings and the importance of the subconscious as well as reason. Romantics were likely to suspect a perfectly lucid idea as somehow superficial. They loved the mysterious and the unknown, sparking new interest in distant societies and the distant past. Where philosophers of the Enlightenment had deplored the Middle Ages as a time of intellectual error and shame, the romantics looked back to them with respect and nostalgia, finding in them a colorfulness, a sense of purpose or a spiritual depth that was missing in their own time. In medieval art and institutions, like in the art and institutions of any age and people, romantics saw the expression of inner genius. A genius was a dynamic spirit that has no rules that could hem them in, someone how could not be explained by analysis, classification, or cold reason. Geniuses made their own rules, be they artists, writers, or movers of the world like Napoleon. They were the ones who could make a people grow in their own distinctive way. Romanticism could be found in all political camps, merged in many places with nationalism, gave many new reasons to study the past. Many romantics were critical of rigid social and cultural hierarchies because of their focus on individual creativity, and added cultural and emotional passions to the other isms of the 19th​ century.

Again summarized from:
R.R Palmer, A History of Europe in the Modern World.

This informative post should also be posted in the Youjo Senki thread. It's very relevant to understanding that anime.
 
1819 EY - End of the Tortun Republic
[X][Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X][Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X][Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]

Poetyr read over the reports from his diplomats. The ones on the Tortun were a bit late - although they confirmed that unless outside pressure was applied towards separating them the grand duchies would be a single nation again in no time - the reports on the Nohon were much more useful. First off, he found out about the Chesun minority within their continental territory, and how the Chesun had been allies with the dynasty before the Hung before being conquered by the Nohon and were now pretty horribly treated by their masters. Like... Poetyr was still working out if he should erect a monument to the Wyrmyn, since as much as he didn't want a rallying banner for future generations he had too much respect for the tough, foolish bastards he had fought to not consider the idea.

So, potential fracture point if he wanted to lean on that, especially if he got the Hung in on things. Better yet, while the Nohon were a "tributary", what that essentially meant was that they paid protection money to the Hung, only it wasn't actually protection money but service in the form of hunting pirates around the Hung's seas. And the Nohon were and always had been the greatest source of piracy, and it didn't count as piracy in the Hung's books if their interests weren't being messed with. While this had extended to the People's shipping very recently hilariously enough, all in all it meant that Nohon tribute essentially amounted to not attacking ships flying the Hung flag or a tributary or associate flag. A big part of the somewhat arms length relationship between the two was that the Nohon had a straight up weird succession system.

Essentially, royal succession was matrilineal because the Nohon believed that their royalty was descended from gods, and the only way to ensure that the lineage was maintained perfectly intact was through matrilineal descent of daughters. The Divine Empress was of course a figurehead, with her husband the Attendant being the actual ruler of the Nohon, but succession crises mostly revolved around noble houses fighting each other for the right to marry the current empress or one of her daughters or sisters for the next generation. While in the past this had been literal fighting, for the past two hundred years a single house - the Naga - had dominated all others through a wide variety of means. One of these was shipping rivals and troublemakers off to foreign lands, while also giving over control of these colonies to loyalists who were given wide latitude to extract the resources they wanted from them. Knowing what he knew about the mundanities of the Black Sheep Royal Harem in comparison to the lurid tales Poetyr knew that the tales coming out of the Nohon colonies about lords notably only for their loyalty to the Attendant, lack of ambition, and collections of exotic women had to be exaggerations, but also had to have started from somewhere.

The most significant piece of information however was that the Nohon Empire was at war with New Hespranxia over territory on the west coast of the Mahaxian continent. While Hespranxia had much shorter supply lines and superior numbers as they were drawing from some actual urban centers, the Nohon had naval superiority and the terrain was really hard to push through except along strips of coastal land that were vulnerable to raiding. Overall the conflict was mostly being used as a way for the Hespranxia to rally their uncertain people against a common and nearby enemy, while the Nohon appeared to be using the situation as a way to send their most annoyingly ambitious troublemakers off to be shot. While it was obvious that while the Nohon were not interested in ceding territory, they also were putting little effort into gaining territory on the other side of the planet, so the war was a long term stalemate. It would likely end once the Hespranxia got tired, which could be any time now.

Ah, if only Poetyr didn't have his own distractions. He had allowed the precision guilds to dissolve and reform as crown corporations, swapping and selling various assets to form the Redshore-Kyberi Precision Works, Greatvalley Naval Supply, and Trelli Arsenal. While they were just getting started, the guilds had responded from going from street fights, riots, and the occasional back alley knifing to openly exchanging fire with the new corporation in the streets. Thank the Divine that the majority of the army could be called back from the west to sit on these insurrections, but it was still a tremendous problem to have such a blatant display of rebellion against his rule. At least the insane liberals tended to be against the guilds and thus were his somewhat mutually weirded out allies in this. General insurrection was unlikely (for now), but these problems were going to be sapping his attention when he really had better things to do with his time and energy.

Also, while he had need for the troops, apparently the work his officers had been doing in training the Black Sheep had drifted over to the Khemetri, who had also sent a message saying that they were interested in a similar arrangement, if at all possible once the war with the Tortun was over. While having all of his officers away teaching foreigners was probably a bad idea, the fact that the People were becoming the preferred group to learn military knowledge from was a remarkable point of pride. Also, while the potential trade with the Khemetri wasn't as good, it could help a great deal with keeping the People distracted with luxuries and lowered taxes while everything was sorted out.

Send Advisors to the Khemetri?
[] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[] [Advisors] No, we need our officers right now

And all of these considerations for the future paled in comparison to the immediate question of what to do with Faron vyn Hohozyn. There were two broad options: exile him to an island somewhere where he couldn't escape, or exile him to a third country that would host him. The closest the other coalition members might accept was Khemetri, and they were rather leery about that, with only the fact that the Khemetri had done this sort of thing before. However, given what Poetyr knew about the Khemetri being interested in modernizing their military he could see issues cropping up with handing a brilliant military leader over to their care. Similarly, sending him to Kus was possible, although both the Black Sheep and Maharathan ambassadors who had said this might be possible had obvious similar desire to have someone like Faron on hand.

Of the possible options that minimized the possibility of Faron deciding to leave his exile were the Mahaxian republics of Volitarn in the south, and the United Provinces in the north. Faron would definitely prefer the UPM, and there was some consideration of the fact that his followers might wander over there to join him instead of staying to cause trouble in the Tortun Duchies. Of course, with those republics there was the possibility he could be elected ruler and just take over, and no one was quite sure what would happen next. For the most part the Sketch wanted him on an island, the Ochruhr wanted him dead, and everyone else wanted him far, far away.

Select a place of exile. The top three weighted options will form a weighted table for where he actually goes (so if the final weights are say 50-30-20 then the top choice will have a 50% chance of being where he goes, the second choice a 30% chance, the third a 20% chance). I will not police the votes and will not accept users harassing each other over it, but please try to avoid approval voting this time
[] [Exile] Isolated island (1.5x)
[] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
[] [Exile] Black Sheep (0.6x)
[] [Exile] Maharathan (0.5x)
[] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)
[] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)

Econ
Industrial Cap 3 (2) (Max. 3)
Development 13/30
Pollution 0

Culture
Consciousness 2 (4)
Standard of Living 5
Happiness 5 (2)/10

Research
Academies 3/3
Education 3
Innovation 1

Diplomacy
Trust 11 (4)
Espionage 7 (6)

Martial
Militancy 6 (8)
Armies 6 (5)
Navies 3

Political Will 1/15

Prestige
Min. 22
Current 89
 
The idea of the UPM actually electing Faron is so amusing I'm genuinely tempted to dump him over there, just to see what happens.

President Frederick Von Napoleon is just to bizarre to pass up.
 
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Maharathan (0.5x)

I'm so tempted to send our officers and Faron both to Khemetri, to see if we can learn from him too. But the guy will probably be spiteful and sabotage us.
 
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
 
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[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
 
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[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
Sending him there with our advisors allows them to keep an eye on him too, and maybe even learn from him.
 
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Black Sheep (0.6x)


Help our primary allies over those colonies who share heritage, langauge and culture/religion with our present and future enemies.
 
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[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)

[X] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)

UPC can serve as great pressure valve and magnet for trouble-makers from Europe.

There are no reason to have anything against NotUSA.
Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 18, 2018 at 2:29 AM, finished with 4563 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
    [X] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)
    [X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
    [X] [Exile] Maharathan (0.5x)
    [X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)
    [X] [Exile] Black Sheep (0.6x)

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 18, 2018 at 3:37 AM, finished with 4622 posts and 24 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by liberty90 on Mar 18, 2018 at 3:40 AM, finished with 4625 posts and 25 votes.
 
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[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)

So much prestige and SoL right when we need it.
And sending him where he can be most useful. Theres blood sacrifices to shut down in Volitarn, and he's going to be left with an appreciation of "It could be worse"
 
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
 
So basically Miyazaki?
It does derive a lot of inspiration from it, yes.

Problem is that we are Russia...which makes that sort of thing more difficult. Not impossible, but difficult
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)
[X] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Maharathan (0.5x)
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
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I will not police the votes and will not accept users harassing each other over it, but please try to avoid approval voting this time


[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)


I am leery of our low Military
 
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)
 
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)
 
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That does make me nervous. Including the Transportation Development, it means we only have 6 Political Will to work with on the treaty...and that is if nothing else needs attention.
 
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