Shrug.

What do you call "we think the Pope is illegitimate so we stopped listening to anything he has to say"?

There's a pretty significant difference from abandoning the latin rite and saying the current pope is a lie and making a new one

the former is a rejection of catholicism, the latter is a rejection of the pope and happened many times
 
An anti-Pope usually.

Like France did semi-regularly OTL.
See I'm still kind of two minds about declaring an antipope because it kind of comes with the implication that I'm going to go on a Crusade and liberate Rome, when all I want is to be able to treat Papal State as any other hostile nation.

There's a pretty significant difference from abandoning the latin rite and saying the current pope is a lie and making a new one

the former is a rejection of catholicism, the latter is a rejection of the pope and happened many times
When have I done the former? Because I'm pretty sure I did the latter and then neglected to make a new one or declare which of the other ones running around we think is legitimate. Yet.

Keeping in mind that I am not, in fact, Catholic and not particularly well versed in it's intricacies.
 
When have I done the former? Because I'm pretty sure I did the latter and then neglected to make a new one or declare which of the other ones running around we think is legitimate. Yet.

Keeping in mind that I am not, in fact, Catholic and not particularly well versed in it's intricacies.
Denying a Pope is a political problem. Abandoning the Latin Rite and the Catholic Church in general is a theological one.
 
That... isn't an answer to the question I made.

When have I denied the latin rite, and how do my actions differ from someone declaring an Antipope?

As an Antipope implies you still believe in the Catholic Church just that the current Pope is not the correct embodiment of the Church but you still belong to the Church.

Denying the Latin rite is saying you do not believe in the Catholic Church as a whole, from deacon up to the Pope, that you believe it is heretical and the religion people have followed their whole life has been a lie.
 
As an Antipope implies you still believe in the Catholic Church just that the current Pope is not the correct embodiment of the Church but you still belong to the Church.

Denying the Latin rite is saying you do not believe in the Catholic Church as a whole, from deacon up to the Pope, that you believe it is heretical and the religion people have followed their whole life has been a lie.
Okay. Again, where and when have I done that?

Because what I did was deny the legitimacy of Laurentius I, and declare that we're not going to listen to anything he or his administration have to say.
 
That... isn't an answer to the question I made.

When have I denied the latin rite, and how do my actions differ from someone declaring an Antipope?
Here?
-Roman Catholic Church in Spain severs ties with Rome, becomes simply Church of Spain.
You're not saying you're part of the Church of Rome in dispute over who the true Pope is, you're saying you're a separate Church in conflict with the whole body.
France could support Antipopes on occasion and still be Catholic, England couldn't really split off into the Church of England and still be Catholic. You've gone Spanglican
 
Here?

You're not saying you're part of the Church of Rome in dispute over who the true Pope is, you're saying you're a separate Church in conflict with the whole body.
France could support Antipopes on occasion and still be Catholic, England couldn't really split off into the Church of England and still be Catholic. You've gone Spanglican
His administration is the Church however.

*ninja'd*
Okay.

I'm going to go clarify the declaration then.
 
As far as treating the Papal States like any other hostile nation...we're only about two hundred years from Charles II of France marching an army into Rome "Dear Popeman please invest me with the Crown of Naples and I'll stop sacking your other cities whaddya say"?
 
Abstract. Interviews with native populations fleeing Colombian persecution have revealed multiple independent sightings of a major uncontacted population center somewhere within the Amazon basin. The existence of such a city is not implausible; documentary evidence for such exists, in the form of both the Orellano record as well as uptime archaeological evidence indicating human efforts to alter the fertility of the Amazon river basin, and the enduring legend of El Dorado. If a surviving population center of this kind exists, it is imperative to reach and contact this settlement before its exploitation by regional powers; alternatively, if no such population center exists, our Guyanese allies may be able to exploit regional resources to support their domestic economy.

YOUR NATION: United States of Europe
TARGET: Amazon basin
MAP:
JUSTIFICATION: Make contact with native settlements in the region; prioritize major settlements. Encourage those sympathetic to join the burgeoning Guyanese democracy. Determine whether the persistent rumors of El Dorado are true, or simply urban legend. If true, open trade relations with El Dorado; if untrue, assist Guyanese in resource exploitation. Look for additional dinosaurs terror birds exotic wildlife. Don't get eaten by raptors carnivorous turkeys.
PLAN: Aerial surveillance out of the USE base at Kourou, and airstrips elsewhere; the USE's four-engine bombers have already proven to be robust vehicles for geospatial mapping in Antarctica. Helicopters are used to bring joint USE/Guyanese first contact teams to speak with the locals. Pack extra inertial guidance systems and photographs; if there are any regions that persistently elude technical surveillance, fly in ground teams to explore the region.

Article:
The Great Khan owns an atlas where all the new cities of the world are shown. The traveller names each in turn, their visages unmistakable: Citallon's painted harbor; Grantville's asphalt ribbons; Nuuk, which is at once nowhere and everywhere.

Kublai asks Marco: "You, who sees signs, tell me what these new cities portend; whether these cities are good omens, or ill ones."

Marco Polo replies: "They are neither good nor ill, for each of them instead is not only a city, but the dream of a city; a dream of how the lives of men may be ordered. Each of them, and none of them, is the true city."
Your strikethrough seems to have gone bad, Sec.
 
Colonization Patch
Please PM your colonization plans, I am colonization and map mod now. You still have to post colonization publicly as before but I need to keep track of colonization. If you don't want to PM me, tag me in your turn post.

Colonization is now based on rolls. However I'll do these rolls myself. It's a 1d6. Here's how the roll goes:

0: Only possible with a negative modifier to colonization rolls. Can result in you losing territory.
1: -1 to next year's roll and failure. No, or very little, border change.
2-4: Moderate colonization of the focused area.
5-6 Great success or other potential rewards.

Now investing more EP has a substantive benefit. The default amount of investment required for any colonization effort is 1 EP. However, you can invest up to 3 EP (1 Base +2 Bonus) and get up to a +2 on your colonization roll.

This is area-specific. That means that when I'm rolling on a colonization, it's based on a specific contiguous area or a series of expansions in a single area, and so are the bonuses. This is mostly arbitrary, but if you're not sure what counts as one area ask me in the same PM as plans. Usually it's pretty broad, but it prevents you from using a single bonus when colonizing across multiple continents.

Each separate colonization action costs 1 MA, so colonizing South Africa and New Zealand are separate actions each costing 1 MA. If you want to get a +2 bonus on both actions, you need to invest 3 EP in South Africa and 3 EP in New Zealand.

Rolls add some randomness and make it so it's not just easy peasy, but they're relatively permissive. You have to really fuck up bad to do badly, since the dice are skewed towards success.
 
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Magic Quest Roll, Phase 1.
Theme: Populism
Modifiers: sub 4-million pop (-2), National Hero (+2), Write Up (+2), total mod: +2

Total: +1
IcePickLobotomy threw 4 3-faced dice. Reason: 4d3-6 Total: 7
2 2 3 3 1 1 1 1
 
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