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@Theravis how far have New World crops penetrated into the world's food supply yet? Are corn and soybeans already important parts of food consumption around the world or are they still limited to the places they're grown?

Also, are Letters of Marque still a thing?

THatWhichWillBe said:
I certainly didn't break a treaty. Circumstances beyond my control caused conditions that would be replicated by me breaking a treaty with Iran, yes. I broke no treaties with the Hyderabadi other than declaring a ceasefire over.
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I mean, you openly took actions that clearly violated the spirit of a major treaty, and those actions directly led to the actual letter of the treaty also being broken, and this was a treaty regarding Hyderabad. Why in the world would they trust you after that, and especially why would they trust you with their military production? That's something you rarely even trust close allies with, much less an actual enemy.
 
ChineseDrone said:
@Theravis how far have New World crops penetrated into the world's food supply yet? Are corn and soybeans already important parts of food consumption around the world or are they still limited to the places they're grown?

Also, are Letters of Marque still a thing?
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1. There is currently a process of popularization but it's dependent on how linked the place is to global trade networks.
2. Not particularly, no.
 
ChineseDrone said:
I mean, you openly took actions that clearly violated the spirit of a major treaty, and those actions directly led to the actual letter of the treaty also being broken
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The treaty would have killed my emperor if it was not broken. My Emperor is not dead, he is hospitalized. Ergo, treaty is not broken. Very simple stuff.
ChineseDrone said:
and this was a treaty regarding Hyderabad.
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i can't believe it, the Peace Treaty managed to regard a nation that didn't exist yet. Iranian Magitech must include Timetravel.

And regarding your last point, the hell do you mean military production? They're helping me reverse engineer technology, not handing over their factories.
 
THatWhichWillBe said:
The treaty would have killed my emperor if it was not broken. My Emperor is not dead, he is hospitalized. Ergo, treaty is not broken. Very simple stuff.
i can't believe it, the Peace Treaty managed to regard a nation that didn't exist yet. Iranian Magitech must include Timetravel.

And regarding your last point, the hell do you mean military production? They're helping me reverse engineer technology, not handing over their factories.
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Bruh your emperor had a stroke for a reason. Your actions have made it pretty clear that the Mughal state have very little intention of actually abiding by the spirit of the agreements it makes, and it's pretty hard to trust a country that does that with anything, much less military protection. I mean, who the fuck would use a monkey's paw to wish "I wish my country was safe from invasion!"? Because that's basically what you're asking Hyderabad to do.

And... seriously? Don't be dense. The Mughal noble revolt was the direct antecedent of Hyderabad and the treaty in question was about them.

I sold Hyderabad weapons, and you are asking them to reverse engineer those weapons. Those weapons also represent their main military advantage against you, since they have like a decade and a half's tech advantage to starve off a nation with many times their population and resources in case a war breaks out again (and they have every reason to believe that it might, given that they just fought a war a year ago). Them giving you that technology means them giving you the means to produce those weapons, which you will then do and equip your troops with, which will then destroy Hyderabad's only military advantage and basically make them your vassal state.
 
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ChineseDrone said:
Bruh your emperor had a stroke for a reason.
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Which was not breaking the treaty, as he is not dead.
ChineseDrone said:
Your actions have made it pretty clear that the Mughal state have very little intention of actually abiding by the spirit of the agreements it makes,
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Hold on, reinforcing the border with a hostile power and advancing my troops to said border is breaching the spirit of the peace treaty how?
ChineseDrone said:
and it's pretty hard to trust a country that does that with anything, much less military protection. I mean, who the fuck would use a monkey's paw to wish "I wish my country was safe from invasion!"? Because that's basically what you're asking Hyderabad to do.
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Bashe says hi. Look, ask Theravis if you want the full reasons why, I can't be bothered to justify a GM decision to you when I'm not a GM.
ChineseDrone said:
and the treaty in question was about them.
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I was unaware the Kandahar War's peace treaty addressed the Noble revolt in any terms other than what I could not do to the Noble's if I defeated the revolt, and requiring me to make a ceasefire.
ChineseDrone said:
and basically make them your vassal state.
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This is pretty much fine with them, because they already have what they want. The noble revolt wanted the old rights back, so they got a section of the Portuguese Deccan where they could have all the rights they want.
 
ChineseDrone said:
@Theravis how far have New World crops penetrated into the world's food supply yet? Are corn and soybeans already important parts of food consumption around the world or are they still limited to the places they're grown?

Also, are Letters of Marque still a thing?



I mean, you openly took actions that clearly violated the spirit of a major treaty, and those actions directly led to the actual letter of the treaty also being broken, and this was a treaty regarding Hyderabad. Why in the world would they trust you after that, and especially why would they trust you with their military production? That's something you rarely even trust close allies with, much less an actual enemy.
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Lots from the Balkans. They were a test case for corn.
 
You know, having thought about New Canaan's opinion of all the 'Uptime, Downtime' shenanigans...obviously opinions will vary, but I imagine the majority view is that it's just one more flavor of weird among all the other weirdness infesting the world. Basically:

"We're kitsune, from Chikushudo."

"We're frost giants, from Jotunheim."

"We're Americans, from THE FUTURE."

And New Canaan just shrugs and takes it all in stride.
 
Wade Garrett said:
You know, having thought about New Canaan's opinion of all the 'Uptime, Downtime' shenanigans...obviously opinions will vary, but I imagine the majority view is that it's just one more flavor of weird among all the other weirdness infesting the world. Basically:

"We're kitsune, from Chikushudo."

"We're frost giants, from Jotunheim."

"We're Americans, from THE FUTURE."

And New Canaan just shrugs and takes it all in stride.
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Ordinary people ITTL must have either a really strong weirdness censor, more pressing problems, or both.
 
Desdendelle said:
Ordinary people ITTL must have either a really strong weirdness censor, more pressing problems, or both.
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Spain:
"I'm going to exile all my Jews and Muslims to the Americas."

You already did that, though?

Spain:
"I'm going to find more Jews and Muslims and exile them all. Alllllll of them."

Ohhhhhkaaaay.

Count that as a vote for [X] More Pressing Problems :V
 
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New Military Rules
  • Informational
    • Military and Mobilization:

    Note:     You can't get big armies cheaply. You can't mobilize more than one third of your population. Not without specific, high level magic - Denmark's zombies or Austria's (hypothetical sadly) robots, for instance.

    - Peacetime: +1 to Econ Rolls. Slight bonus to population growth. Go You. Militarist factions might be unhappy. Most everyone else is probably pretty pleased.
    - Expanded Army: The baseline. At this point you have to be spending at least 1 EP on Military, however.
    - Mobilized Army: -1 to Econ Rolls. Slight malus to population growth. More peaceable factions might be unhappy. Everyone else is still OK, mostly.
    - Active Army: -1 to Econ Rolls and your Economic Status automatically degrades by one step. More severe population growth malus. Only the militarists are happy right now, so you can't keep this up too long before internal crises start happening.
    - Emergency Army: You're in a recession, and you're not getting out as long as this is a thing. Your population growth is barely above zero - if you're lucky. Nobody's happy, not even the militarists, so you're suffering internally too.
    - Total Mobilization: You're in a recession - and the instant the war ends you're in a depression and lose Economic Power. Your nation is ruined. Your population growth is negative. The young and the sick are sent to the Ostfront. You're probably suffering an internal crisis, if not now, then very soon. The only really upside is that your opponent might be more ruined.

    Military System Changes:
    - MP gained per EP spent has been increased to 2500 MP per EP spent, rather than 1000 MP as it was.
    - Tags are now additive modifiers rather than multiplicative. So to add two 1.25x Tags to a unit, it now is [Cost] * [1+0.25+0.25] rather than [Cost]*[1.25]*[1.25]

    System Notes:
    - The Percentage of EP Spent on Military includes TP in its calculation. However, TP is being reworked along with the rest of the system, so it will give less of a bonus.
     
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    • Crilltic said:
    You can't get big armies cheaply.
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    D:
    Crilltic said:
    - MP gained per EP spent has been increased to 2500 MP per EP spent, rather than 1000 MP as it was.
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    :D
    Crilltic said:
    - Tags are now additive modifiers rather than multiplicative. So to add two 1.25x Tags to a unit, it now is [Cost] * [1+0.25+0.25] rather than [Cost]*[1.25]*[1.25]
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    D:

    Doesn't this mean if you combined Penal Legion and Conscript modifiers, you don't have to pay anything for those troops?!?
    Crilltic said:
    - Total Mobilization: You're in a recession - and the instant the war ends you're in a depression and lose Economic Power. Your nation is ruined. Your population growth is negative. The young and the sick are sent to the Ostfront. You're probably suffering an internal crisis, if not now, then very soon. The only really upside is that your opponent might be more ruined.
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    So..... you can't pull a Soviet Russia then?

    Shame.
     
    Wait, hold on. Does manpower utilized count your percentage of population, or population of able-bodied males or something like that?
     
    Crilltic said:
    The [Conscript] tag is mutually exclusive with all other tags.
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    Theravis has indicated otherwise.
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    Percentage of pop. (It uses the one in your turnsheet)
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    Cetashwayo said:
    The former.
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    Crilltic said:
    That's...what the option is. :V
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    Soviet Russia didn't hit much of an internal political crisis at all; because Stalin had purged everyone who would have caused something like that beforehand.
     
    THatWhichWillBe said:
    Theravis has indicated otherwise.
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    Yeah, and I'm telling you as the person who partly wrote the new military rules, it's still the case. It may change in the future, but for now Conscripts are mutually exclusive.
    THatWhichWillBe said:
    Soviet Russia didn't hit much of an internal political crisis at all; because Stalin had purged everyone who would have caused something like that beforehand.
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    If you think the Soviet Union was economically ruined by the Great Patriotic War I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
     
    Crilltic said:
    Yeah, and I'm telling you as the person who partly wrote the new military rules, it's still the case. It may change in the future, but for now Conscripts are mutually exclusive.
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    Ah.
    Crilltic said:
    If you think the Soviet Union was economically ruined by the Great Patriotic War I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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    THatWhichWillBe said:
    Soviet Russia didn't hit much of an internal political crisis at all; because Stalin had purged everyone who would have caused something like that beforehand.
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    These two are not mutually exclusive Crilltic.
     
    @Crilltic so suppose I'm using 1/12 EP for military (8.3 repeating percent), but I have 15% of my population mobilised, what's my status?
    Also when is this effective?
     
    Desdendelle said:
    @Crilltic so suppose I'm using 1/12 EP for military (8.3 repeating percent), but I have 15% of my population mobilised, what's my status?
    Also when is this effective?
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    Follow the Population part of the Chart (Y-Axis). You'll be in Emergency if you maintain that level of mobilization because the 8%-15% band is always in Emergency or Total.

    NyxNull said:
    Do the new rules come into effect this turn or next turn?
    And how is the requisite army reorganization being handled, especially for armies that are currently in the field?
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    1685, reorganize at your leisure.
     
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    Havocfett said:
    1685, reorganize at your leisure
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    Is the reorganization being handled like the initial army writing (Just make an army that fits within your MP), or an in-game modification (take existing army, disband units or begin the training of new units). Basically, is it an instant change, or do the modifications take in-game time?
     
    NyxNull said:
    Basically, is it an instant change, or do the modifications take in-game time?
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    New Canaan:
    "So guys..."

    Oceania:
    "I was just about to ask you..."

    Together:
    "Temporary cease fire?"

    *A pause, as they stare at each other*

    New Canaan:
    "It's not that we don't want to fight you in '85, it's just..."

    Oceania:
    "....you have to reorganize your whole military, because it just stopped working all of a sudden?"

    New Canaan:
    "Get. Out. You too?"

    Oceania:
    "I know. Weird, right?"

    New Canaan:
    "Maybe it's a sign. From God."

    Oceania:
    "Well, that's what we think. And we think it means He wants us to kill all of you."

    New Canaan:
    "No way! We think it means He wants us to kill of you."

    Oceania:
    "Ha ha, as if, Papist witch. See you in '86?"

    New Canaan:
    "See you in '86, Protestant scum."
     
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