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Speaking of, do field kitchens exist in WHF?
Just curious.
Just curious.
Mercenary Mage Quest: Asur Dogs of War in Warhammer Fantasy
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Sure, he probably would. I doubt he'd be able to get another Asur to do so on his behalf though.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
If a dedicated cook would really make our recruits fight better during campaigns then I don't really agree with one being nothing but a luxury. If having a good cook makes our soldiers fight better then it's not really that much different in importance then having good equipment that makes them fight better, or good training that makes them fight better etc,etc. Do we want a unit that's akin to Bretonnian men at arms, or state troops etc,etc.
However like with everything, we need to watch our budget. No point in hiring a cook to make our troops better if the cook is so expensive that we can't afford any troops instead.
However like with everything, we need to watch our budget. No point in hiring a cook to make our troops better if the cook is so expensive that we can't afford any troops instead.
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At a certain number of troops you either have camp followers that you have control over or those exact same camp followers but no control over them, and cooks are gonna be among those camp followers. The number of troops in question isn't even particularly high.
That does explain about the Eonir being very pragmatic when living with The Empire even if they don't have to like it.
I wonder if Eonir had participated during the Great War Against Chaos in Magnus the Pious' forces by working as mercenaries. It's not like he doesn't hire mercenaries to supplement his forces along the way.
I think if we want better food the best bet we have is to hire a halfling battle cook. I wonder if we are late enough in the timeline for the Soup Tank to be hirable.
If I had to hazard a guess "Fat of the Land" is likely to prevent ogres from suffering the physical effects of starvation but would do nothing for their hunger. Ogres are always hungry. Even eating doesn't make them no longer hungry. They want constant huge amounts of food not because they need it to survive, but because they are cursed by the Great Maw to be eternally hungry.
When in doubt, blame Dragon Big E's fault for doing the Colony Drop on the Ogres in attempt to smite them than do it the old fashioned way:
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Mopman43
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I actually proposed it in a DoW, but Blackout said he wasn't sure if he was going with the Soup Tank actually existing, but even if it did exist, the Moot wouldn't be risking someone stealing it by hiring it out.
K von Carstein
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Woud a dedicated cook make our troops fight better? We don't know if it would have mechanical effects, or even if they would be worth the cost. I'm pretty sure most mercenary companies don't have a dedicated cook, and they fight pretty well.
There's also the fact that the Eonir's strength is around that of an Empire province, not the Empire. The Asurs have an entire continent worth of people and an ocean as shield, ditto for the Druchii, and the Asrai live in an extra magical forest bigger than most duchies, have the Avatar of 2 gods and every tree is potentially going to tear you apart. The Eonir have none of those advantages.
True, the Eonir may not have the advantages the Asur, Asrai and Druchii have, but they can throw down with the best of them.
Say, would it be crazy if the Eonir got an Elector Count position like the Halflings of the Moot did? They live with the Empire which they might as well take active part of it, to keep an eye on humans and make sure their pragmatic pacts are maintained.
Dedicated halfling cooks act as anti-armor artillery. A halfling Hotpot uses the same rules as a stone thrower but with a range of 36" and deals a S3 hit in the spread that does not allow an armor save. The target at the direct center of the spread takes a S6 hit that does not allow armor save that causes D3 wounds.
This actually makes them a pretty good anti-monster weapon. Turns out getting conked on the head with a red hot metal cauldron filled with boiling soup will take down even pretty big monsters on a solid hit.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
@Blackout how do elves and halflings compare to each other as cooks?
That's the interesting thing, no one has actually bothered to test this. According to Blackout if we tested this we could write a legit academic paper to the Tower based on what effect it would have on ogres.
Though if your guess is right, then I wonder what would happen if we cast Peace (tier 3 Ghyran) on an ogre together with Fat of the Land. Would the latter reduce their physical need to eat while the former their sense of hunger?
@Blackout do the effects of Peace also eliminate feelings of hunger? How long does the spell's effect last?
Alternatively maybe we could Curse Break on the ogres. Find a troll of as similar dimensions to the ogre as possible and transfer the hunger from the ogre to the troll.
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So yeah, it does sound like dedicated cook could make our troops function better in battle.
How would you even know? For all we know a dedicated cook is actually pretty common among the more successful mercenaries because mercenaries work for money and being able to eat well is considered a perk of being able to do the job well. It's not like we did a survey of other mercenary companies to see what their camp followers include.
Also in general, saying that some people do without is a bit of a silly argument. There are also people in Warhammer who go to war equipped with nothing but a pitchfork and with barely any training. That you can go to battle with less doesn't mean that there would be no benefit to having more.
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Sertorius
Rebellious Legate
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That's the thing, the Eonir don't consider themselves beholden to anyone.
They don't bend the knee before the Emperor, the Phoenix King nor anyone else. The Eonir are an independent power and refuse to acknowledge, that their realm is part of the Empire of Man. If the humans don't like it, they are most welcome to try and enforce their claim. So far it hasn't worked.
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Dogs of War are the only army roster to have dedicated cooks as actual army units. I would imagine that dedicated cooks are actually pretty common.
In fact, I would go as far as to think that MOST order faction armies have dedicated cooks for their armies as part of the baggage train all armies are required to have to simply function. Dogs of War are just the only army where said cooks get involved in fighting rather than stay back with the washer women and baggage handlers.
Somic
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We have an example of a divine curse in canon, and it pretty solidly trumped all efforts to suppress it, although it was possible to temporarily soften its effects with incredibly powerful potions and the blessing of a different god. So I would wager that "reduce" is the sincere best we could hope for with ogres.
Or we can shove an elemental into them and possibly circumvent the curse by turning them into non-ogres.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
That curse is for a handful of people though. It might be that being spread out across an entire species could mean that individual people with it are hit with less oomph.
Though the Curse of Khaine being mitigatable does give some reason to hope that the maw's effect on ogres might be as well.
I mean, you can mitigate the curse on an Ogre too. You just need to feed them constantly huge amounts of food.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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So flat out worse than a regular stone thrower.
Blackout
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That would implicitly make them subordinate to the Emperor and subjects of the Empire.
The Eonir have spent the better part of two thousand years fighting to keep their realm independent of the Empire.
Fanriel has never met a halfling in her life, let alone eaten their food.
Yes. A few minutes.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
So not really practical to pay ogres with. A shame.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Are you referring to the Hotpot or something else?
Hotpot yes.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Though I imagine that between the Colonist trait and her vocation as a loremaster she's probably familiar with how the Empire's halflings managed to obtain the moot by bribing the emperor with a particularly tasty meal. She might even be familiar with how food tourism is apparently a major industry in the moot.
@Blackout if we were to get acquitaned with halflings cooks, could we write a paper to the tower about their methods and what makes their cooking so famed?