Imperious
Without the sun of my life
On the plus side we might be able to loot the gear of the better equipped among them, so there's our new Green recruits' equipment right there.
Mercenary Mage Quest: Asur Dogs of War in Warhammer Fantasy
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K von Carstein
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Supposing Blackout doesn't change too much, here's their roster:
Those aren't too much trouble except for their number. Heavy infantry should be able to hold just fine, and a few cavalry charges in the back or flanks will most likely route them. Our Aqshy elementals will hurt them.
Those are more troublesome. Even a javelin or slingshot can hurt badly, and with 1000 of them they can hardly miss.
Those are bad, but not too much. Even if they're heavy infantry, their disparate equipment makes them vulnerable.
That's way more problematic. It gives them good scouting so surprising the army will be difficult, and the ability to wage a nasty guérilla against us. We should maybe go with our own light cavalry (if we have any on our side) to throw magic at them, especially our Ghur elementals.
The bears are bad news, but except if they're armoured arrows should do the trick.
That one is the biggest problem. His Pegasus allows him to be very hard to catch and to boost his forces everywhere.
Shooting at him with arrows or bullets is the best solution to try neutralising him, and here our Azyr elementals will shine. Summoning a few of them to attack him would be a big problem for him.
Or sell it for money if it's not good enough for us.
Kislev's Stance On Magic Users
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Under the laws of the Tzardom of Kislev, it is illegal for men to wield magic.
It didn't used to be italicized like that, because there was no need to. But about three hundred years ago this guy named Finubar began his tour around the Old World, and suddenly there was a lot of money hanging on the specific legal interpretation of whether the law referred to "males" or "male humans". The Tzar at the time, after careful consideration and debate (And Finubar dropping a shipload of Cathayan silks and Indese spices on his lap and saying there's more where that came from, y'know, for any port willing to do business) came down in favour of the latter interpretation.
As for why Kislev bans male spellcasters, Kislev has a long-standing cultural tradition of considering magic to be a feminine art. They believe that magic corrupts those who are ambitious, warlike, or greedy, and since those are all masculine traits, male spellcasters are dangerous. There is also an Ice Witch prophecy regarding a male Ice Witch tainting the flow of Ice Magic through Kislev, but I do want to note that this attitude and opinion is not limited to the Ice Witches. There are also no male Hag Witches, and they've held that tradition since before there have been Ice Witches, let alone any prophecies involving them.
They weren't super happy about male elves being allowed to cast magic, but trade with Ulthuan is incredibly lucrative, and it's hard to argue against it when the Phoenix King's ambassador is all too happy to supply estimations of just how many additional rotas Kislev has raised with that money whenever someone starts making noise about it. Over time, things have mostly settled down since no great catastrophe befell, and people have mostly figured that elves are different enough from men that they operate on their own rules, though it's still advised that male elves traveling in Kislev avoid openly casting spells if they don't need to.
And yes, it is illegal for men to wield any kind of magic, not just Ice Magic. If you can demonstrate you aren't actively wielding magic, just have the capacity to use it, you get Pacified rather than executed, but that's about it.
It didn't used to be italicized like that, because there was no need to. But about three hundred years ago this guy named Finubar began his tour around the Old World, and suddenly there was a lot of money hanging on the specific legal interpretation of whether the law referred to "males" or "male humans". The Tzar at the time, after careful consideration and debate (And Finubar dropping a shipload of Cathayan silks and Indese spices on his lap and saying there's more where that came from, y'know, for any port willing to do business) came down in favour of the latter interpretation.
As for why Kislev bans male spellcasters, Kislev has a long-standing cultural tradition of considering magic to be a feminine art. They believe that magic corrupts those who are ambitious, warlike, or greedy, and since those are all masculine traits, male spellcasters are dangerous. There is also an Ice Witch prophecy regarding a male Ice Witch tainting the flow of Ice Magic through Kislev, but I do want to note that this attitude and opinion is not limited to the Ice Witches. There are also no male Hag Witches, and they've held that tradition since before there have been Ice Witches, let alone any prophecies involving them.
They weren't super happy about male elves being allowed to cast magic, but trade with Ulthuan is incredibly lucrative, and it's hard to argue against it when the Phoenix King's ambassador is all too happy to supply estimations of just how many additional rotas Kislev has raised with that money whenever someone starts making noise about it. Over time, things have mostly settled down since no great catastrophe befell, and people have mostly figured that elves are different enough from men that they operate on their own rules, though it's still advised that male elves traveling in Kislev avoid openly casting spells if they don't need to.
And yes, it is illegal for men to wield any kind of magic, not just Ice Magic. If you can demonstrate you aren't actively wielding magic, just have the capacity to use it, you get Pacified rather than executed, but that's about it.
[x] Middle Mountains Campaign
[x] Blight Investigation
[x] Forest Mystery
[x] Blight Investigation
[x] Forest Mystery
Isn't being Pacified objectively a fate worse than death?
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Is pacified an english euphemism for euthanasia ?
ALso what about magic object like an enchanted tool/weapon/armor/other,a potion or something with a godly benediction ?
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
It's meant to refer to a lobotomy in this context.
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oh,yeah,likely worse than death,when do they start to send magic guys to the empire ?
K von Carstein
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Crap. Hektor will definitely get hunted and will have to flee Kislev. We won't see him there.
In Warhammer it's a ritual that cuts from a person's soul the part which allows them to use magic. At least for full wizards it's described as worse than death. For people who never really casted I don't know the exact effect but it's unlikely to feel good.
After the war against chaos Magnus founds the colleges and takes the Imperial position from "Magic is banned period, on pain of death" to "Magic is banned for everyone BUT members of the colleges."
K von Carstein
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Yikes. Even the Druchii are more civilised than that. At least they forbid male casters only because of some dumb prophecy interpreted by their madman of a king, not sexism.
Yeah, Finubar may not be a wizard but he sure has mastered the Lore of Throwing Tons of Gold at People.
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[x] Middle Mountains Campaign
[X] Bandit Crackdown
[X] Bandit Crackdown
Adrian XXIV
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Technically, Kislev (Ice Witches, to be specific) also has their own "dumb prophecy about male spellcasters"
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Sure, I can add options to that effect.
No hard rules other than that the Ice Court has first refusal on anything even slightly magical. Beyond that it's more or less "Whatever you can claim and enforce." Which mostly works out to First Come First Served, but it's not unknown for bigger mercenary companies to try to bully smaller ones out of their loot, and if you try to keep something like the enemy's paychest for yourself you'll probably get jumped.
One might speculate that he was running out of places to sell his services at.
As noted in the update, in the southern Old World the Cult of Myrmidia acts as a "Mercenaries Guild", arbitrating disagreements and blacklisting companies that repeatedly cause trouble.
Yes.
They would not be able to operate openly in Kislev.
I mean, according to the tally a mission outside of Kislev is currently winning the vote.
You haven't asked. It seems like it'd be a sensitive subject.
There will be other mercenaries as well.
She does not have nearly enough information to tell.
However, the contract is for three months. After that you can renew it for another three months or leave.
Depends on who you ask. Often its the offender's family that wants them Pacified rather than dead.
Pacification is a ritual that permanently burns out your ability to use magic.
Magical items are fine.
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K von Carstein
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Yeah, but according to Blackout it's also sexism.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Please do. It makes sense those would be options so long as we're near a major port like Erengard. They might even be a bit more lucrative then the land caravan missions given the reputation of the Lothern Sea Guard as marines and how in general maritime trade is more lucrative in this time due to the greater efficiency of carting many tons of goods by sea then by road, and it'd be nice to know where we stand in that regard in case we do ever decide to head out.
Adrian XXIV
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Question out of Curiosity
Can you provide examples of other (submitted) DoWs that might be blacklisted too (and for what)?
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Middle Mountains might be long in-quest, but it's also the perfect starting campaign to reinforce to the Sea Guard that yeah, we be defending civilization and battling foul creatures, you're being productive by fighting alongside us. Sure, there are no bad choices among the presented options, but this one is particularly satisfying in that regard.
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Realm of the Ice Queen has this to say:
Which would indicate that the prophecy is the reason for the kislevites disdaining male spellcasters, and which is why a lot of the fandom seems to think so. However, the book also has this to say:
The prophecy cannot be the sole reason for the attitude towards male spellcasters, because this section is referring to both ice and hag witches, and hag witches have been female-exclusive since before there have been Ice Witches.
The prophecy is the reason the Ice Witches pushed for the total ban of male spellcasters, but it is not the reason for the culture and opinions towards them, the Ice Witches do not have the kind of pull to shape the entire Kislevite society including Ungols, based on one prophecy. If anything the prophecy is the result, rather than the cause of said culture.
I don't really have the time to comb through them right now.
Pick any of the vampires, greenskins, druchii, chaos-worshippers or so on.
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Imperious
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I do hope that if we end up taking the Bandit Crackdown then that we don't take long in our next downtime so we have a chance to still go to the Middle Mountains. It would be a shame to miss out on the chance to meet up with the Middenlanders wizards and Eonir ones at the same time.
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Don't forget that the sea is Aisling's domain, which is dangerous for us.