The bigger problem is probably what happens if an Everqueen dies and is replaced by her daughter while the father is still Phoenix King. No nee Everprincess can be produced, so if that Everqueen then dies what happens?
Mercenary Mage Quest: Asur Dogs of War in Warhammer Fantasy
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The bigger problem is probably what happens if an Everqueen dies and is replaced by her daughter while the father is still Phoenix King. No nee Everprincess can be produced, so if that Everqueen then dies what happens?
Mopman43
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I imagine the ways it's supposed to go is that the Phoenix Kings are military leaders and the Everqueen is not, so there should be a reduced attrition rate and should be a couple spare daughters or aunts, as Blackout said, that would be able to inherit the role. Until there wasn't.
Blackout
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Yes. Alarielle is mentioned in Bane of Malekith to have had a sister and an aunt.
As far as MMQ is concerned, it would go to the Everqueen's sister or aunt. Oldest daughter of the previous Everqueen is preferred, but any female child of a Phoenix King and an Everqueen is eligible.
If none of those are around... well, Ulthuan has what's formally known as a Big Fucking Problem.
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All of this means that, should some butterflies happen... Fanriel could actually become the Everqueen, invested with the power of Isha to an extent that even the priestess in Erengrad can only dream of.
But that line of time would require too many deaths and much destruction, so it is unlikely.
Anyway, better start brushing up on that Throne of Vines, just in case
But that line of time would require too many deaths and much destruction, so it is unlikely.
Anyway, better start brushing up on that Throne of Vines, just in case
deathofrats0808
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Does Ulthuan actually get a choice? Like, it's up to Isha isn't it?
Mopman43
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Fanriel may ultimately descend from an Everqueen, but Blackout specifically said that the only valid candidates (culturally at least, the actual magical power is probably a different story) are the direct daughters of a Phoenix King & Everqueen pair.
Seems so. Rituals are used to prepare an Eeverprincess to be a vessel for the Everqueen, and the living Crown she wears is a apparently used to form the connection for the connection to the greater entity as part of the coronation ceremony.
The elves choose who gets that crown.
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Blackout
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The exact process is a mystery, Fanriel just knows that it has happened in the past.
Mopman43
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Is that from the T&T trilogy?
Imperious
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It's actually quite likely. Malekith came within a hair's distance of killing Alarielle in canon during his soon to happen invasion. Even a relatively minor butterfly that results in something like Teclis getting in place five minutes later to save Tyrion and Alarielle from N'kari could result in that. Theoretically us keeping Sunfang could have resulted in that if not having it would have lead to Tyrion being less effective in Alarielle's defense during the invasion. Mind losing the Everqueen during an apocalyptic invasion may well mean the Asur losing the already perilous war to Malekith, so, you know...
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I feel like if they were going to highjack an exile for a replacement everqueen, they'd be in dire enough straights that it would become thinkable to treat with the Eonir about things, so they could have a new everqueen with actual experience acting as a high priestess of Isha and also who only has one break in the matrilineal chain (my understanding is it goes Astarielle -> Morelion -> Maruviel -> Just daughters from here on out)
Fanriel: "Excuse me, Mrs. Parch. Can I please hide inside your daughter's bag and stay there for a month or two until it blows over. I can pay you for it as rent as compensation."
Gina Parch: "Since you asked nicely, alright. Tiffany, be a good dear and let the nice Elf lady hide inside your bag."
Tiffany Giantsdottir: "Yes, mother."
Imperious
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Blackout confirmed previously that post N'kari's purge the only she elves currently alive who can claim descent from an Everqueen and can thus succeed Estarielle, other than Alarielle herself, are Fanriel and the queen of Laurelorn, and that while the Asur wouldn't be happy about it they'd much sooner choose someone like Fanriel who they can at least be sure is loyal to Ulthuan to be their queen, than an Eonir like the queen of Laurelorn.
So yes, we are currently literally the person second in line to take up the mantle of Everqueen, and, should Urian Poisonblade succeed in killing Estarielle here like he did in canon, will be Alarielle's presumptive heir until she has a daughter.
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Yes, I've got all the same facts as you they don't need to be repeated, I disagree despite starting with the same facts as you, because I think it would be such a bad situation that they'd want someone who could jump straight into Doing Everqueen Things.
Imperious
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What I mean is that Blackout has already told us that what you're saying is wrong, and that no, the Asur would still prefer Fanriel to the Queen of Laurelorn as the new Everqueen if they had to choose between the two:
What if scenario by Boodlesnoop
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What if scenario: The year is 2440, a cabal of Druchii infiltrators has rocked Ulthuan, murdering the Everqueen and her only daughter. King Finubar calls for the disgraced princess Fanriel to be recalled from exile to take up the role of Isha's mortal incarnation.
Unfortunately one of the infiltrators had wormed his way into the position of royal spymaster, and before his arrest he leaked information on the Asur's spies to the Druchii. This has lead to the devastation of the Asur's intelligence network as their agents are forced to flee or be killed by Malekith's assassins. As a result the Asur have lost track of Fanriel, and as weeks pass worry continues to grow as she doesn't appear to be resurfacing despite putting out a notice to all elven quarters and adventurers to keep an eye out for her and relay knowledge of the King's decree to her.
You are an agent of the crown tasked with finding and escorting Fanriel back to Ulthuan. Based on your intel, you choose to go to her last known location on the continent of:
[] The Old World
The queen-to-be has made quite a name for herself amongst the realms of men, who are ever in need of high quality killers for hire.
[] The Southlands
These lands are as vast as they are dangerous, with few safe settlements beyond the coastal regions of Araby. That the queen hasn't been found yet means she must have gone farther inland...
[] Lustria
Fanriel's last trip to Lustria ended in disaster. That she has chosen to return is... troubling.
[] The Far East
Perhaps her excellency has been trying to relive one of her last great triumphs before her disgrace.
[] Lumbria
Elves don't venture into these lands for a reason, not even the Druchii. She knows that. What could have made her desperate enough to come here?
Unfortunately one of the infiltrators had wormed his way into the position of royal spymaster, and before his arrest he leaked information on the Asur's spies to the Druchii. This has lead to the devastation of the Asur's intelligence network as their agents are forced to flee or be killed by Malekith's assassins. As a result the Asur have lost track of Fanriel, and as weeks pass worry continues to grow as she doesn't appear to be resurfacing despite putting out a notice to all elven quarters and adventurers to keep an eye out for her and relay knowledge of the King's decree to her.
You are an agent of the crown tasked with finding and escorting Fanriel back to Ulthuan. Based on your intel, you choose to go to her last known location on the continent of:
[] The Old World
The queen-to-be has made quite a name for herself amongst the realms of men, who are ever in need of high quality killers for hire.
[] The Southlands
These lands are as vast as they are dangerous, with few safe settlements beyond the coastal regions of Araby. That the queen hasn't been found yet means she must have gone farther inland...
[] Lustria
Fanriel's last trip to Lustria ended in disaster. That she has chosen to return is... troubling.
[] The Far East
Perhaps her excellency has been trying to relive one of her last great triumphs before her disgrace.
[] Lumbria
Elves don't venture into these lands for a reason, not even the Druchii. She knows that. What could have made her desperate enough to come here?
Mopman43
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Minor nitpick, but 'the Southlands' seems to specifically refer to the land south of Araby and Nehekhara, it doesn't include them.
The equivalent to subsaharan Africa, rather than the continent of Africa as a whole.
Though that does leave us without a useful equivalent for the whole thing.
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Marrisith is not the Eonir High Priestess of Isha. Or any kind of Priestess.
The only female elves that Fanriel knows of. And nobody knows if more distant relations even could succeed the Everqueen, the title has never been passed down to someone who is not the daughter of an Everqueen. All I said was that if it came down to Marrisith or Fanriel, and the Asur had a choice in the matter, they would prefer Fanriel.
Frankly the very idea would be considered sacrilegious by most Asur.
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Fanriel: "Looks like it's time for me to hide in the Giant girl's bag."
Tiffany Giantsdottir: "No worries, Miss Elf. I'll keep you hidden and dress you as my new doll so that no one will recognize you."
Fanriel: "Joy."
Imperious
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I mean with N'kari's purge having reduced the number of people who can fit the category of "Everqueen or daughter of an Everqueen" to literally just two people, after the third ended up breaking her neck while riding a horse, than the thought of what comes next in case the line of the Everqueen suffers some more unfortunate accidents is probably something that's currently crossing the minds of decision makers in Ulthuan.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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You're assuming the decision makers don't know more options than Fanriel does.
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I have finished reading the main story very well done and very interesting characters
I would like to meet the Baba's at some point
I would like to meet the Baba's at some point
The whole situation with the everqueen would be a fun set of snippets at least. But i'll be the first to say that I really appreciate it when a story and an author, like this one, recognises that the main character of the story (i.e Fanriel) doesn't have to be the main character (or one of the) main characters of a setting to make a great and interesting story.
To be clear, that's not to say it would be bad for Fanriel to get involved in stuff that ends up in the history books - and I kind of assume that she will end up doing so if the story gets to Magnus, Teclis and the like.
To be clear, that's not to say it would be bad for Fanriel to get involved in stuff that ends up in the history books - and I kind of assume that she will end up doing so if the story gets to Magnus, Teclis and the like.
daedalus725
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Also we must work on our racism so we can get Orgers in our company