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I mean, we do have Diplomacy 30 and took the attractive trait during character creation.
Fair enough. Also I can see Fanriel taking part of the founding of Colleges of Magic. Like while Teclis search around the Empire for human mages to be brought together and properly trained, she proofread the Articles of Magic written by Magnus the Pious and smoothen things out between the human mages and the Elf teachers.

As a bonus, just like Teclis in Storm of Chaos, the leaders of the Colleges of Magic would kneel before her in reverence and respect.
 
@Blackout what is Fanriel's knowledge about recent Druchii activity? Has there been a particularly large amount of raids on the Old World at this time? Have confrontations between the Asur navy and Naggaroth been increasing?
Last Fanriel heard about it it was business as usual. Which is to say "regular clashes with the Asur holding the upper hand, but Black Arks represent too much concentrated naval power to fully contain so some regularly slip through".
 
Last Fanriel heard about it it was business as usual. Which is to say "regular clashes with the Asur holding the upper hand, but Black Arks represent too much concentrated naval power to fully contain so some regularly slip through".

Okay. So perhaps we're before even in the time in which Malekith has started using the Asur's navy preoccupation with Norsca to build his warchest by pillaging the Old World. Apparently one of the events of that period was a particularly large Druchii raid on Marienburg so assuming we don't derail that from happening that could be our sign of when we're at.
 
Okay. So perhaps we're before even in the time in which Malekith has started using the Asur's navy preoccupation with Norsca to build his warchest by pillaging the Old World. Apparently one of the events of that period was a particularly large Druchii raid on Marienburg so assuming we don't derail that from happening that could be our sign of when we're at.
assuming that things are following the script
and relying on that is a very dumb idea
 
assuming that things are following the script
and relying on that is a very dumb idea

I did say "assuming we don't derail that from happening" precisely for that reason. For all we know our part in helping eliminate the grimeyes may have already caused a butterfly effect by reducing the pressure on the Asur navy, or maybe things will actually be worse due to the damage the navy suffered due to the lizardmen attack, or maybe those two things result in a wash etc,etc
 
Unless we want the shield to end up on some shore and creating a khaineite cult, throwing it off the shore is a pretty dumb idea.

Also my boy Mathlaan don't need that bum polution come on man

[X] Hold on to it until you can find a Priest of Vaul to properly consecrate it.

Of course, since this to is a CK2 based quest, see our stat line, then the obvious solution, in the spirit of CK2, is to wait until after the Great War against Chaos and then seduce Teclis while he's founding the Colleges of Magic in order to make our heir.
Ah, but we're currently exiled, making a kid suboptimal! Any true Crusader King considers his kids to be tools, and if you don't need a tool buying it would be a waste of money and space! What we actually should do is become personal platonic besties with Teclis, so that he likes us enough to go to bat for us in court without people saying "Teclis you literally still have her lipstick on your neck what the fuck are you doing man you kinda seem biased here."

And if we really want a kid, we can (and should) just steal one from the druchii. That way, we can thank Loec for the save, make Nagarythe think we're cool, not make yet another kid related to fucking Anaerion, and save a kid from being a druchii. I can think of no problem, moral or logistical, in doing this.
 
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I understand that this is standard procedure, but given our unique circumstances it could be difficult to enforce.

Fanriel's mercenary occupation could take her to lands where Phoenix King's agents couldn't easily get to her. You think the Dragon Emperor is going to let the White Lions just barge into his country and take a kid? If we get in good with the future Tsaritza, like some in this thread have suggested, do you think they'll let a foreign government take their friend's kid just to satisfy their paranoia?

I'm not suggesting we do it. It is at best a terrible idea, and at worst a catastrophic one. But I just can't get the hypothetical if out of my head.

I'm rambling now, just ignore me.

I think the Dragon Emperor cares about his own people and not having a diplomatic incident so he would send his own people to deliver the kid and Fanriel at the same time.
 
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Sapherian Tutelage

For what felt like the dozenth time Teclis resisted the urge to groan.

He had been told that the High Loremaster had taken a liking to him. Teclis' progress in his studies had apparently been exemplary, far above that of other students of his age, something which by now had become more then obvious to Teclis himself. As such, in addition to his normal studies, Teclis would now be receiving the privilege of one on one instruction from some of the towers' more experienced acolytes. Whereas other students would have to group together in classes of dozens to practically fight for their teachers' attention Teclis would receive the benefit of private instruction so that his supposedly "amazing talent" not "wither away" as well as to gauge his so called "true potential".

Truthfully Teclis wished that the High Loremaster hadn't bothered.

Since coming to the White Tower Teclis had found himself, for the first time in his life, to be a subject of envy rather then the one experiencing its green eyed touch. Whatever positive attention his accomplishments had gotten from his peers, in age and stature though not in talent, was shortlived as his classmates soon realized that it's meaning was to see to it that they could never fight for more then second place as first always belonged to Teclis. Such was a bitter pill to swallow for many who had previously been the resident star pupils and "geniuses" of their homes, only to now constantly find themselves overshadowed by Teclis. Most expressed their discontent through the occassional angry glance or whispered contempt whenever Teclis was nearby. A few were also guilty of wasting his time by asking him if they could perhaps study together or if Teclis could help them with a subject they had been having difficulty with, perhaps hoping to gleam some genius study method he had invented, before being curtly refused.

One was even a Cothiquian whom Teclis had known prior to his arrival in the White Tower. In their childhood Teclis had heard him referring to himself more then once as a half elf when the former had thought Teclis not listening, such subtlety doubtlessly owing itself to what Tyrion had done to the last elf to call Teclis that outloud.

Teclis made a point to ask him his class ranking in every class that they had shared. The fact that he had ranked nothing short of second, beneath only Teclis himself, in so many of them seemed to only add to his umbrage rather then decrease it.

While the faces changed as Teclis moved up in the years the same experience hadn't. Older students were, if anything, even more vexed at being upstaged by someone their junior.

Worst of all however were the tutors.

Whereas his fellow students often had no choice but to accept Teclis' superior understanding of the material at hand, their grades making it undeniable, the tutors were often far less willing to accept that their understanding of what they thought they could teach Teclis was far less then that of Teclis' own. Heated arguments were common and more then one of his tutors had simply quit the role. The last had looked so enraged after Teclis' had questioned how could he have possibly earned his credentials as a mage of the tower while being so incompetent that for a moment Teclis had thought he would strike him. Instead the tutor had simply rose from his seat and headed out the door. Yet his muttering of the term "half elf" had not gone unnoticed by Teclis, and it had been all that Teclis could do to hold himself from not setting the former tutor's garnments on fire with his mind for the insult.

At least this one at least seemed willing to listen and learn, even if her ability to understand the material still left much to be desired.

"So you see, that is how one many more easily draw upon a source's non cardinal winds. Lesser mages may struggle to draw Hysh from a candle's fire or Ghyran from stone, but that is a matter of ability, not a matter of possibility."

The senior arcanist looked up from the parchment and at him before smiling

"Impressive. How have you not been promoted a year again already?"

Teclis sighed, knowing that starting a tirade about the incompetence of his previous tutors would avail him little here.

"It is of no matter. The High Loremaster will have me promoted when he deems me ready. No sooner and no later."

The arcanist frowned

"Well I'll definitely be writing a recommendation for your promotion at the end of this course. Your ability with the material is commendable but frankly at this level your talents are being wasted. You could already teach people of my year this material."

The senior arcanist then looked back at the parchment before laughing

"In fact you already are!"

Teclis kept himself from reacting outwardly even as he inwardly preened. Finally, a tutor that saw reason!

Momentarily his mind wandered back to his introduction to this particular tutor as well as half forgotten genealogy lessons. Could this one possibly understand becau-

No! The curse had no meaning here. Teclis could achieve here anything that he set his mind to, and no disability or curse could stop him from doing so.

Eventually he answered.

"Please do."

The senior arcanist then got up, Teclis following suit shortly after.

"I believe that this is it for today. We only have a few lessons left and then you'll have two weeks to prepare for the test by yourself. Though judging from our classes so far I doubt you'd have much more work to do in order to get another perfect grade."

For a moment Teclis saw the arcanist's arm twitch as if moving for a handshake before she thought better of it. Doubtlessly her thought had been to spare him the embarrasment of having a giantess such as herself near crushing his fragile hand.

Teclis kept himself from sneering at the arcanist for providing him with yet another reminder of his emanciated state.

Instead the senior arcanist settled for merely nodding at him

"Good night arcanist Teclis."

Teclis returned the nod.

"Good night arcanist Fanriel."
 
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That seems fairly conclusive, but I'll give it another 24 hours.

Fanriel's mercenary occupation could take her to lands where Phoenix King's agents couldn't easily get to her. You think the Dragon Emperor is going to let the White Lions just barge into his country and take a kid? If we get in good with the future Tsaritza, like some in this thread have suggested, do you think they'll let a foreign government take their friend's kid just to satisfy their paranoia?
Do you think that the Dragon Emperor or the Tzarina would risk war with the people who permit their realms to have oceanic trade? How many percent are you willing to lose from your government budget before you let one kid be taken to a religious ritual that has a low chance of resulting in their death, but only if they are judged by a literal god to be too corrupt to let live?

The Eonir are one thing, they have their own branch of the Cult of Asuryan who presumably handle such matters. Certainly, no Eonir has ever been seen entering the Phoenix Palace, but maybe they cut a face-saving deal and they get taken directly to the Isle of Flame, or perhaps the Eonir Cult of Asuryan have their own ritual for invoking Asuryan to judge them.

But you are not Eonir, you are an exiled Asur. And even if you don't know what form that would take, you can be damn sure that Ulthuan would exercise its globe-spanning power and influence to drag your kid, your kid especially, to be judged for corruption.

I like it a lot, but I'd rather leave the details of the relationship between Fanriel and Teclis as something that will come out in the fic itself.
 
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That seems fairly conclusive, but I'll give it another 24 hours.


Do you think that the Dragon Emperor or the Tzarina would risk war with the people who permit their realms to have oceanic trade? How many percent are you willing to lose from your GDP before you let one kid be taken to a religious ritual that has a low chance of resulting in their death, but only if they are judged by a literal god to be too corrupt to let live?

The Eonir are one thing, they have their own branch of the Cult of Asuryan who presumably handle such matters. Certainly, no Eonir has ever been seen entering the Phoenix Palace, but maybe they cut a face-saving deal and they get taken directly to the Isle of Flame, or perhaps the Eonir Cult of Asuryan have their own ritual for invoking Asuryan to judge them.

But you are not Eonir, you are an exiled Asur. And even if you don't know what form that would take, you can be damn sure that Ulthuan would exercise its globe-spanning power and influence to drag your kid, your kid especially, to be judged for corruption.


I like it a lot, but I'd rather leave the details of the relationship between Fanriel and Teclis as something that will come out in the fic itself.

Fair enough boss. I've wanted to write something that'll get cannonised for awhile but I don't feel I have enough of a read on any individual swordmaster's personality to the point I could write an omake from their perspective yet. Then I suddenly had this idea after I made the joke about seducing Teclis:p

Though just to be clear, would a child conceived by Fanriel be allowed to inherit our position of prince/ss or does the loss of title and exile also extend to all of our descendants?
 
Though just to be clear, would a child conceived by Fanriel be allowed to inherit our position of prince/ss or does the loss of title and exile also extend to all of our descendants?
If you manage to get yourself married under Asur law, have that marriage be recognized as valid by Ulthuan, and successfully produce a legitimate non-bastard offspring, then yes, they could inherit.
 
If you manage to get yourself married under Asur law, have that marriage be recognized as valid by Ulthuan, and successfully produce a legitimate non-bastard offspring, then yes, they could inherit.
Does our exile somehow prevent us from having a marriage that would be recognized by Ulthuan, or is it as simple, provided we have a partner of course, as going to the nearest elven quarter and meeting with the appropriate priests?
 
[X] Use the cursebreaking techniques you learned from the Silver Prophet to attempt to remove the Khainite enchantment from the shield.
 
Does our exile somehow prevent us from having a marriage that would be recognized by Ulthuan, or is it as simple, provided we have a partner of course, as going to the nearest elven quarter and meeting with the appropriate priests?
It's not so much the exile, though that presents its own challenges, it's the part where the vast majority of the Asur really, really don't like you.

First of all, you need to find a willing husband, which is not exactly trivial even under normal circumstances, preferrably of a princely house. It's not that you can't marry a peasant, but it would lend a lot of credence to the idea that will absolutely be floated by your enemies that you just grabbed some bum off the streets and paid him to stand there and say some words.

Then, you need to find a Priest of Isha and a Priest of Asuryan willing to officiate the ceremony as well as put their reputation on the line when they inevitably get summoned to the Phoenix Palace to testify that the marriage really happened.

Then you need to jump through various ritualistic hoops like asking the husband's house for permission while he does the same from yours.

Then you need to gather a whole bunch of witnesses whose integrity Ulthuan's high society can't just discredit (so non-Asur are right out), and who are also willing to go to bat for you and make lot of enemies by testifying that your husband really did it of his own free will without coercion and that it wasn't a sham marriage perpetrated purely to get around your exile.

And after all that... you still need to actually produce a kid.
 
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It's not so much the exile, though that presents its own challenges, it's the part where the vast majority of the Asur really, really don't like you.

First of all, you need to find a willing husband, which is not exactly trivial even under normal circumstances, preferrably of a princely house. It's not that you can't marry a peasant, but it would lend a lot of credence to the idea that will absolutely be floated by your enemies that you just grabbed some bum off the streets and paid him to stand there and say some words.

Then, you need to find a Priest of Isha and a Priest of Asuryan willing to officiate the ceremony as well as put their reputation on the line when they inevitably get summoned to the Phoenix Palace to testify that the marriage really happened.

Then you need to jump through various ritualistic hoops like asking the husband's house for permission while he does the same from yours.

Then you need to gather a whole bunch of witnesses whose integrity Ulthuan's high society can't just discredit (so non-Asur are right out), and who are also willing to go to bat for you and make lot of enemies by testifying that your husband really did it of his own free will without coercion and that it wasn't a sham marriage perpetrated purely to get around your exile.

And after all that... you still need to actually produce a kid.
As far as witnesses go can't we just have our swordmasters if it ever came to that? Sure they're biased, but we're talking about witnesses for a wedding ceremony, not a criminal trial.
 
As far as witnesses go can't we just have our swordmasters if it ever came to that? Sure they're biased, but we're talking about witnesses for a wedding ceremony, not a criminal trial.

The reason stated for needing witnesses was to prove there was no coercion. Our swordmasters are kind of the exact opposite thing you want for that, given that they would be seen as a likely vector of coercion.
 
As far as witnesses go can't we just have our swordmasters if it ever came to that? Sure they're biased, but we're talking about witnesses for a wedding ceremony, not a criminal trial.
It might as well be a criminal trial for how Ulthuan will treat the matter.

And no, the Swordmasters who followed you into exile out of personal loyalty absolutely do not qualify as "people who can be trusted beyond the shadow of a doubt not to lie for you".
 
The reason stated for needing witnesses was to prove there was no coercion. Our swordmasters are kind of the exact opposite thing you want for that, given that they would be seen as a likely vector of coercion.

Fair. I kind of speed read it the first time. My first thought when reading witnesses was as in people who actually witnessed the vows being said. Mea culpa.

In that case if we actually somehow find a husband then I guess the first choice as witnesses would be their family, though they might hate our guts to.

I don't think it should actually be that difficult to find someone willing to marry Fanriel even with all the reputational malluses involved, as whoever does so would know that a child born of such a union would, again for all the reputational malluses involved, be the heir of a princely house with all the wealth and influence for their children that would involve. It seems like it shouldn't be that difficult to find some minor noble who would take that opportunity out of greed if nothing else.

Mind, finding someone who'd be interested in that not out of greed probably would be incredibly difficult. Finding someone interested not motivated by greed and whom the thread would actually like would likely be doubly difficult.

I suppose it's all pretty pie in the sky right now either way though. The thread might not even care to ever try for it anyway.

Though if it does turn out to be Teclis at least we'd know who we could get to act as the priestess of Isha :lol:
 
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And Tyrion, the overprotective big brother figure, will step up to make everyone back down or else, just by standing there... MENACINGLY!
Tyrion - Teclis, why are you brewing those strange potions?

Teclis - I need to be stronger brother, strong enough to face what is coming, strong enough to survive!

Tyrion - Don't worry brother, I will protect you. You don't need to fight so hard to match my martial might.

Teclis - What? Oh, yes... Match your martial might. Battle. This is absolutely about battle ~quickly shoves a sketch of Fanriel's rippling abs under a stack of papers.

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Also

Tyrion - The curse manifests as a propensity for bad ideas you say?

Dorial - ~Nods firmly

Tyrion - And this is why my brother is trying to ride into battle on Loremaster Fanriel's shoulders?

Dorial - ~Nods more firmly.
 
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