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Mercenary Mage Quest: Asur Dogs of War in Warhammer Fantasy

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Warmachine375 said:
Sounds like a failure to me. Besides, it's all about Space Marines being shoe horned into Fantasy.

Best sums it up:

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Bro the whole thing with nagash was just the elves beating the shit out of the undead and teclis 360 no scoping him, the stormcast may be the favorite child but it's not like the other factions get nothing unless they're beastmen lmao. Also the stromies are WAY more intresting than the SPESH MERINES since they're allowed to have a personality beyond their chapter gimmick and since they get nagashed over time.
Warmachine375 said:
Nah, GW is just salty everyone made their Creator's Pet, Chaos, a joke and killed Warhammer Fantasy with End Times where Chaos is the ultimate winner in a shoehorned manner. And it backfired when no one likes Age of Sigmar, besides you, which is just 40k but Totally Fantasy in a nutshell.

They are that spiteful.
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GW's a company mate, they don't care about their favorite not winning, they care about money.

Anyway onto more important matters, we shold have fanriel make a spell that gives her laser eyes because laser eyes are cool
 
Shine said:
And besides… Age of Sigmar is actually pretty cool. As a high fantasy setting, it works out quite nicely.. the only notable issue I have is that it still Carrie's the burden of the End Times like a chain.
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I don't see how copying Space Marines is cool in Age of Sigmar. Plus it takes away the fact that the humans may be outnumbered and outclassed by races that are older and stronger than them but they persevered and fought on despite the odds against them.

Mopman43 said:
It's rather reductive to just say that's all AoS is.

It has been around a few years now, has a sizable following. There's some interesting stuff in there.
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Like what? More Sigmarines introduced? How they're the greatest ever as usual?

IEatAssSometimes said:
GW's a company mate, they don't care about their favorite not winning, they care about money.
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GW acted like TTS Magnus rage quitting the Warhammer Fantasy game and torched everything to the ground when things don't go their way in the Storm of Chaos campaign as intended because of the players.
 
Warmachine375 said:
Nah, GW is just salty everyone made their Creator's Pet, Chaos, a joke and killed Warhammer Fantasy with End Times where Chaos is the ultimate winner in a shoehorned manner. And it backfired when no one likes Age of Sigmar, besides you, which is just 40k but Totally Fantasy in a nutshell.

They are that spiteful.
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I don't particularly like AoS actually. I'm just saying that it is in fact popular and makes GW money. Which is what they care about becasue weirdly, the writers don't make business decisions.

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Warmachine375 said:
GW acted like TTS Magnus rage quitting the Warhammer Fantasy game and torched everything to the ground when things don't go their way in the Storm of Chaos campaign as intended because of the players.
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Storm of Chaos happened 8 years and two editions before End Times. It really wasn't the catalyst.
 
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IEatAssSometimes said:
the stormcast may be the favorite child but it's not like the other factions get nothing unless they're beastmen lmao
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It's not really possible for another IP to have the overwhelming focus that 40K has on Space Marines.

Space Marines + Chaos Space Marines literally makes up half the armies in the game.

Warmachine375 said:
Like what? More Sigmarines introduced? How they're the greatest ever as usual?
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The Stormcast are exactly one army in AoS.

There are 23 other armies that have things happen for/to them.
 
I would genuinely enjoy Age of Sigmar if it was an original IP instead of being frankensteined from the corpse of Warhammer Fantasy.

I would still prefer the more tangible and grounded lore and setting of WHF, but AoS gameplay itself is far more enjoyable than WFB and without being constrained by the existing setting their modeling department has been able to create some genuinely stunning new armies and miniatures.

But as it is, GW cannot retcon the End Times because Age of Sigmar was born from them, so I can't even get excited about the Old World and getting new High Elf stuff again because "Actually, Malekith is the rightful Phoenix King and everything about the Asur society is a lie" hangs over the whole thing like a bloody shroud. And every time AoS lore references the World-That-Was I just get angry all over again.
 
Blackout said:
Actually, Malekith is the rightful Phoenix King and everything about the Asur society is a lie
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For what it's worth, they basically already retconned it in AoS.

Morathi fueled her ascension into a goddess using the power of Asuryan infused in the souls of the dead Phoenix Kings.

The world has to end, but the exact events of the End Times are as sacred to GW as any other piece of lore is- not much at all.
 
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"Chaos reigns supreme! Mannfred dropped the ball! Lady of Lake was Lileath roleplaying! Settra does not serve! Dawi use the Winds of Magic like no big deal! Sigmar and Karl Franz have become a guy! Malekith is totally the rightful Phoenix King all along even though it doesn't make sense but doesn't do shit in the end anyway!"

- End Times in a nutshell.
 
Blackout said:
I would genuinely enjoy Age of Sigmar if it was an original IP instead of being frankensteined from the corpse of Warhammer Fantasy.

I would still prefer the more tangible and grounded lore and setting of WHF, but AoS gameplay itself is far more enjoyable than WFB and without being constrained by the existing setting their modeling department has been able to create some genuinely stunning new armies and miniatures.

But as it is, GW cannot retcon the End Times because Age of Sigmar was born from them, so I can't even get excited about the Old World and getting new High Elf stuff again because "Actually, Malekith is the rightful Phoenix King and everything about the Asur society is a lie" hangs over the whole thing like a bloody shroud. And every time AoS lore references the World-That-Was I just get angry all over again.
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I mean if GW wanted to retcon the End Times they could easily enough, just take a page out of the MCU's book and yell 'multiverse' really hard, but only once and there anyone who wanted the End times not to happen could follow that line while the people who like Age of Sigmar could keep on trucking with their stuff
 
Dragonofelder said:
The AoS setting is good, it just started off crap and has WHF's death as baggage.
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The setting itself has its highs and lows, it honestly feels like a chimera created by several different authors.

The Mortal Realms feel like something that already should have existed in Fantasy, a pocket dimension for each of the Winds of Magic located in the Warp.

I find annoying the focus on Sigmar and his faction as the center of everything, and most of the other factions don't have going on for them.

To be honest, all the factions feel like a reskin of the factions of Warhammer Fantasy, just less interesting.
 
Blackout said:
But as it is, GW cannot retcon the End Times because Age of Sigmar was born from them, so I can't even get excited about the Old World and getting new High Elf stuff again because "Actually, Malekith is the rightful Phoenix King and everything about the Asur society is a lie" hangs over the whole thing like a bloody shroud. And every time AoS lore references the World-That-Was I just get angry all over again.
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Personally i can very easily pretend that one day everyone woke up one day and they were age of sigmaring for no actual reason
Warmachine375 said:
"Chaos reigns supreme! Mannfred dropped the ball! Lady of Lake was Lileath roleplaying! Settra does not serve! Dawi use the Winds of Magic like no big deal! Sigmar and Karl Franz have become a guy! Malekith is totally the rightful Phoenix King all along even though it doesn't make sense but doesn't do shit in the end anyway!"

- End Times in a nutshell.
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Don't forget thorgrim dying to a backstab even though his armor has multiple runes that stop that specifically from happening.

Or teclis sacrificing his brother's wife (who's a demigod btw and would have been way more cooperative) and child to resurect the worst guy
DragonParadox said:
I mean if GW wanted to retcon the End Times they could easily enough, just take a page out of the MCU's book and yell 'multiverse' really hard, but only once and there anyone who wanted the End times not to happen could follow that line while the people who like Age of Sigmar could keep on trucking with their stuff
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Even if they did that malekith would still have been the true phoenix king and only have been rejected and cursed by asurian for the rest of his eternal life thus determining the fate of all of mallus because he hesitated when jumping into a literal devine fire
 
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IEatAssSometimes said:
Or teclis sacrificing his brother's wife (who's a demigod btw and would have been way more cooperative) and child to resurect the worst guy
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Just child.

Aliathra was sacrificed to bring back Nagash, Alarielle lived right up to the end (and she's a Goddess in AoS)

I really don't think we need to rehash "All the reasons why the End Times are terrible" again.
 
IEatAssSometimes said:
Don't forget thorgrim dying to a backstab even though his armor has multiple runes that stop that specifically from happening.

Or teclis sacrificing his brother's wife (who's a demigod btw and would have been way more cooperative) and child to resurect the worst guy
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Or Grombrindal/Snorri forgave Malekith despite the fact forgiveness literally doesn't exist on Dawi vocabulary at all.

Or Lileath created a haven world for her chosen people, who drank her Grail as her race of demigods, to go there but the said world was wiped out anyway.
 
DragonParadox said:
I mean if GW wanted to retcon the End Times they could easily enough, just take a page out of the MCU's book and yell 'multiverse' really hard, but only once and there anyone who wanted the End times not to happen could follow that line while the people who like Age of Sigmar could keep on trucking with their stuff
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Or they could pull a Days of Future Past. Someone from AoS travels back in time to set right what once went wrong, only to discover that they just created a branching timeline instead.
 
IEatAssSometimes said:
Even if they did that malekith would still have been the true phoenix king and only have been rejected and cursed by asurian for the rest of his eternal life thus determining the fate of all of mallus because he hesitated when jumping into a literal devine fire
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Again, they basically already retconned that one.

Like, I really don't think there's going to be some sidebar in whatever High Elf material they release going "All the Phoenix Kings were frauds and Malekith is the true chosen of Asuryan".
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
The setting itself has its highs and lows, it honestly feels like a chimera created by several different authors.

The Mortal Realms feel like something that already should have existed in Fantasy, a pocket dimension for each of the Winds of Magic located in the Warp.

I find annoying the focus on Sigmar and his faction as the center of everything, and most of the other factions don't have going on for them.

To be honest, all the factions feel like a reskin of the factions of Warhammer Fantasy, just less interesting.
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Sigmar was always the center of things. The setting is called Warhammer. The Warhammer in question is Sigmar's.
 
Warmachine375 said:
"Chaos reigns supreme! Mannfred dropped the ball! Lady of Lake was Lileath roleplaying! Settra does not serve! Dawi use the Winds of Magic like no big deal! Sigmar and Karl Franz have become a guy! Malekith is totally the rightful Phoenix King all along even though it doesn't make sense but doesn't do shit in the end anyway!"

- End Times in a nutshell.
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Settra part was mostly okay, at least he was badass.

The Lizardmen on the other hand were wiped out and ended up looking like fools. And the writers completely forgot abaout Skarsnik existence.

IEatAssSometimes said:
Don't forget thorgrim dying to a backstab even though his armor has multiple runes that stop that specifically from happening.
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They didn't even have the decency of having him killed by a named character like Deathmaster Snikch.

Fouredged Sword said:
Sigmar was always the center of things. The setting is called Warhammer. The Warhammer in question is Sigmar's.
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Okay, you make a good point. But at least Fantasy made the other factions interesting, while Age of Sigmar factions are mostly more boring copies of the previous ones.

To me End Times COULD have been an Epic Ending for the Warhammer Fantasy setting, of even just an interesting "What If" in wich the world of Mallus was destroyed.

If the writing was better and each character and faction got a worthy send off, with plenty of badass and sad moments, then i am sure less people would be angry abaout the existance of Age of Sigmar.
 
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Mopman43 said:
Again, they basically already retconned that one.

Like, I really don't think there's going to be some sidebar in whatever High Elf material they release going "All the Phoenix Kings were frauds and Malekith is the true chosen of Asuryan".
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I was more talking about the concept of saying that the end times still happened in another timeline instead of just saying "nuh uh" and pretending it was never put to paper in the first place and simply having the two settings exist
 
Fouredged Sword said:
Sigmar was always the center of things. The setting is called Warhammer. The Warhammer in question is Sigmar's.
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IIRC No its not, its Harold Hammerstorms, a minor chaos champion who likes fighting Undead (and gets a cameo in End Times, getting killed by Vlad but injuring him (and getting some respect from him) in turn).

Warmachine375 said:
Or Grombrindal/Snorri forgave Malekith despite the fact forgiveness literally doesn't exist on Dawi vocabulary at all.
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The idea of a dwarf actually forgiving someone when this concept dosent exist in their culture could be a very powerful event, but it really needs to be in an entirely different context and definitely not include fucking Malekith.
 
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