Also we must work on our racism so we can get Orgers in our company
Welcome aboard. You could try to recruit Ogres in the upcoming downtime phase if you so desired, the only truly hardlocked recruitment options are Druchii, Greenskins and Chaos-Worshippers, because that would be out of character for Fanriel and also the Swordmasters would turn on you if you tried. Ogres would just cause a lot of intra-company friction.

The problem is that the Lightfangs are 99% elves, and Ogres are loud, clumsy, crude and unhygienic; all things that elves culturally disdain. Meanwhile, elves are slim, refined, and (by Ogre standards) weak and fragile; all things that Ogres culturally disdain. Elves might be stronger than they look, but they look weaker than humans, and that's a problem when Ogres are biologically wired to believe in "bigger is better".
 
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Do Gnoblars count as "Greenskins" in case of attempting to recruit them as "Pack deal" with their Ogre "handler(s)"?
Not necessarily, but the kinds of Ogres that Fanriel might try to recruit almost never have Gnoblars precisely because they tend to complicate interactions with the more 'civilized' people. Of the Ogres you've seen in Ostland, the only ones with Gnoblars are the Butchers.
 
You're assuming the decision makers don't know more options than Fanriel does.

We have the benefit of out of perspective novels and army books in addition to Fanriel's own perspective. What those suggest is that the line of the Everqueen really is hanging by a thread right now. When Estarielle was killed and Alarielle went missing no one brought forth some previously unknown sister or aunt of Alarielle's as a possibility to replace her.

Also goddamn, @Blackout how did the bodyguards of Alarielle's sister handle having such an epic fail as having their charge die in something as mundane as a riding accident when the line of the Everqueen is already in such a perilous position to begin with?
 
Welcome aboard. You could try to recruit Ogres in the upcoming downtime phase if you so desired, the only truly hardlocked recruitment options are Druchii, Greenskins and Chaos-Worshippers, because that would be out of character for Fanriel and also the Swordmasters would turn on you if you tried. Ogres would just cause a lot of intra-company friction.

The problem is that the Lightfangs are 99% elves, and Ogres are loud, clumsy, crude and unhygienic; all things that elves culturally disdain. Meanwhile, elves are slim, refined, and (by Ogre standards) weak and fragile; all things that Ogres culturally disdain. Elves might be stronger than they look, but they look weaker than humans, and that's a problem when Ogres are biologically wired to believe in "bigger is better".
Thanks:)

That hard lockdown list makes total sense to me ( specially on the other side where most of those to my knowledge don't do much mercenary so it's double no's)

While I was joking abit about bringing Ogres on ( because they are some of my favorites of Warhammer Fantasy) I imagine most other reasonable choices (ie not making to much friction with our current subordinates,) to add to the company would be Humans because while The Elfs have a superiority complex towards them (semi earned imo) they are still the ones we have the best relationship within the old world ( ie don't have mutual negativity status effects) including most other Elfs

The only way I really see Ogres working out as an actual part of our company , and not how we have worked together the last two large campaigns because of somebody else buying multiple contracts to many mercenary companies , is the possibility of applying the Maneater trait where they take on customs of where they are fighting to get Ogres aping asur customs and even then not really a guaranteed thing for the reason you laid out on the biological side
 
Also goddamn, @Blackout how did the bodyguards of Alarielle's sister handle having such an epic fail as having their charge die in something as mundane as a riding accident when the line of the Everqueen is already in such a perilous position to begin with?
They were probably reassigned to Antarctica, that is, the southern Gates of Calith, to protect whatever pinguins are left from Chaos corruption. :V
 
We have the benefit of out of perspective novels and army books in addition to Fanriel's own perspective. What those suggest is that the line of the Everqueen really is hanging by a thread right now. When Estarielle was killed and Alarielle went missing no one brought forth some previously unknown sister or aunt of Alarielle's as a possibility to replace her.
OOC knowledge indicates there should be plenty of descendants of the Everqueens left, because that's just how people work. Like, it's estiamted that the last common ancestor for all of humanity could have lived as recently as 3000 years ago, and every 9th century European whose descendants survived to the present day is related to every living European. Even taking into account Elvish life cycles being longer, I highly doubt there's actually so few remaining.

When Estarielle died, Alarielle immediately became Everqueen, and when she went missing, Ulthuan was being invaded. They didn't have time for anything, they were suddenly at war.
 
We have the benefit of out of perspective novels and army books in addition to Fanriel's own perspective. What those suggest is that the line of the Everqueen really is hanging by a thread right now. When Estarielle was killed and Alarielle went missing no one brought forth some previously unknown sister or aunt of Alarielle's as a possibility to replace her.
Alarielle was already the Everqueen, and they knew she wasn't dead, just missing.

When the Everqueen dies, you can tell.

Also goddamn, @Blackout how did the bodyguards of Alarielle's sister handle having such an epic fail as having their charge die in something as mundane as a riding accident when the line of the Everqueen is already in such a perilous position to begin with?
Badly.
 
OOC knowledge indicates there should be plenty of descendants of the Everqueens left, because that's just how people work. Like, it's estiamted that the last common ancestor for all of humanity could have lived as recently as 3000 years ago, and every 9th century European whose descendants survived to the present day is related to every living European. Even taking into account Elvish life cycles being longer, I highly doubt there's actually so few remaining.

Yeah but real life doesn't have an exalted greater daemon like N'kari out there making sure to kill all descendants of a specific person for the last several thousand years who just so happened to have committed a very successful purge recently.

They were probably reassigned to Antarctica, that is, the southern Gates of Calith, to protect whatever pinguins are left from Chaos corruption. :V

It's not even walk of shame level bad. I can't imagine anyone trusting them with so much as a bow and arrow after this. It would be like, say, a Loremaster of Hoeth failing to recognize one of the most well known and notorious elven relics of all time while looking at it closely :V
 
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one of the most well known and notorious elven relics of all time
It's not, though. I could name two dozen elven relics more well-known and notorious off the top of my head. It has history, yes, but Tyrion bringing it back to Ulthuan and using it to save the Everqueen, banish N'kari and defeat Malekith's personal champion who'd just slaughtered the Captain of the White Lions is what made it one of the most well-known and notorious elven relics of all time. Right now its Aenarion's third-most famous weapon, after the Widowmaker and the hunting spear he used when he received Asuryan's blessing, which he used for a couple of years before handing it off to one of his lieutenants whose family proceeded to hide it for about 6000 years to keep it from Malekith's hands, until one of them took it for a joyride into the Old World and disappeared, centuries before Fanriel was born.

No elf alive except Morathi and Caledor have seen it in use, and Aenarion wielded it for none of his most famous battles. No, Fanriel failing to recognize it on sight is not some Epic Failure Lmao like you keep trying to make it out to be.
 
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It's not, though. I could name two dozen elven relics more well-known and notorious off the top of my head. It has history, yes, but Tyrion bringing it back to Ulthuan and using it to save the Everqueen, banish N'kari and defeat Malekith's personal champion who'd just slaughtered the Captain of the White Lions is what made it one of the most well-known and notorious elven relics of all time. Right now its Aenarion's third-most famous weapon, after the Widowmaker and the hunting spear he used when he received Asuryan's blessing, which he used for a couple of years before handing it off to one of his lieutenants whose family proceeded to hide it for about 6000 years to keep it from Malekith's hands, until one of them took it for a joyride into the Old World and disappeared, centuries before Fanriel was born.

No elf alive except Morathi and Caledor have seen it in use, and Aenarion wielded it for none of his most famous battles. No, Fanriel failing to recognize it on sight is not some Epic Failure Lmao like you keep trying to make it out to be.
Eh, fair enough. I can still call the bodyguards letting the presumptive heir to the Everqueen throne die to a riding accident when the line of the Everqueen is already hanging by a thread as it is an Epic Faliure Lmao though right? :V
 
Can someone give me a heads up on where and when all the mentioning of a certain sword is in the story? I must have forgotten or missed it and it's driving me mad trying to find what people are referring to.
 
Can someone give me a heads up on where and when all the mentioning of a certain sword is in the story? I must have forgotten or missed it and it's driving me mad trying to find what people are referring to.
The sword the Estalian mercenary from the Norscan counterattack contract was using was revealed later on by Blackout to have been Aenarion's flaming sword.

(This is actually straight from canon)

In canon, this sword will soon-ish be tracked down by Tyrion and Teclis for Tyrion to take it up as his main weapon.
 
Yeah but real life doesn't have an exalted greater daemon like N'kari out there making sure to kill all descendants of a specific person for the last several thousand years who just so happened to have committed a very successful purge recently.
Except N'Kari wasn't hunting descendants of the Everqueens. It was hunting descendants of Aenarion. There are two reasons that matters. The first is that there were presumably Everqueens before Astarielle. The second is that so many people must also have been related to Aenarion that if N'Kari was literally hunting everyone with any relation at all to Aenarion it would have killed a sizeable fraction of Ulthuan's popualtion. It must either have a had some sort of level of descent that matters, or more likely was hunting for the Blood, those Elves related to Aenarion who are marked in some measure by destiny.
 
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Except N'Kari wasn't hunting descendants of the Everqueens. It was hunting descendants of Aenarion. There are two reasons that matters. The first is that there were presumably Everqueens before Astarielle. The second is that so many people must also have been related to Aenarion that if N'Kari was literally hunting everyone with any relation at all to Aenarion it would have killed a sizeable fraction of Ulthuan's popualtion. It must either have a had some sort of level of descent that matters, or more likely was hunting for the Blood, those Elves related to Aenarion who are marked in some measure by destiny.

There's no evidence that there were any Everqueens before Astarielle. She's the first one that the elves have any records of, and Morathi was unaware that it was possible for there to be another Everqueen after Astarielle died, and as she's older than the elven gods she should have known if succession was a thing that had happened before.

Given Morathi was a survivor of the time before the Coming of Chaos she presumably wouldn't have been the only one who should known the identify of any predecessors, so if there had been that knowledge would have been recorded.
 
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There's no evidence that there were any Everqueens before Astarielle.
Yes there is.

High Elves 8th Edition Armybook pg.15 said:
No record exists concerning the dating system prior to Aenarion's reign (the day he stepped through the Fire of Asuryan being the first day of his reign), except that the Everqueens ruled alone, and the system revolved in some way around them.
Everqueens and them, not Everqueen and her.

as she's older than the elven gods
According to one source that is heavily contradicted by many others.

Morathi was unaware that it was possible for there to be another Everqueen after Astarielle died
No, that's not what Morathi says. Bel-Shanaar says that he was chosen by the Everqueen, Morathi says Astarielle is dead, Bel-Shanaar says that she lives on, Morathi insists that she's dead, Yvraine reveals herself, Morathi says that she's not Astarielle, Yvraine states her identity, Morathi says Yvraine died too, Oakheart reveals how he carried her away to safety, Malekith asks after Morelion, and then Morathi starts ranting about how she's the Queen of Ulthuan and how the Princes are all conspiring against her and Malekith.

Regardless of whether you believe that they were or were not conspiring against them, it couldn't be more obvious that Morathi is in denial because she was blindsided by the reveal that Yvraine survived, which upends her position as Queen Widow and Malekith as the rightful Phoenix King. Yes, she was unaware that it was possible for there to be another Everqueen after Astarielle died- because she thought that Yvraine had died too, not because she thought the mantle couldn't be passed on. Because for sixty years, there had been no Everqueen.

If she thought that the position of Everqueen couldn't be inherited you'd think she would have, y'know, said that, and denounced Yvraine as illegitimate, but she doesn't. As soon as Yvraine's survival is explained she immediately stops questioning her and changes tracts to accusing the Princes of conspiracy against Aenarion. She never once asks "how can Yvraine succeed Astarielle even if she is alive", she just accepts that at face value.
 
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Can someone list or make a Fanriel family tree? It would be cool and interesting to see a visual representation of who is related to Fanriel. I know very little of the lore so Im kinda lost with a lot of the everqueen. There is just so much information that seems to contradicted each other. Maybe an informational thread that has some of the relevant and useful information? I don't know if there is already or if this is too much?

I give seasonal flake!!! :ogles: And! And…I will vote( just once though) for who ever does the family or list thing! See I give benefits!!! :V (If I remember that is and no matter how stupid…)
 
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Out of curiosity, does something special happen? Do the Asur instinctively know or do they find out through mundane means?
Basically everyone in the non-evil species across the world instinctively feels that some great tragedy has occurred, though most can't put a finger on what.

Everyone except the dwarfs, who have hardened their hearts against elves to the point where they don't register it.
 
Out of curiosity, does something special happen? Do the Asur instinctively know or do they find out through mundane means?
The skies above the mist-shrouded island faded to black, the sun unwilling to bear witness to such horror. Only the shimmering emerald orb of the Chaos moon dared show its face on such a night, but the clouds over Ulthuan hid the torment of its inhabitants from such a leering gaze.

Ulthuan's brightest and most beauteous star had been torn from the heavens, and that grief was for her people alone.

The masked statues upon the Shrine of Asuryan wept blood from their hidden eyes, and the waters around Tor Elyr broke and seethed with anger, shattering crystal bridges that had stood for thousands of years. Roaring waves heaved the surface of the Inner Sea, capsizing the few silver-hulled ships that plied its waters and dragging sorrowful mariners down to their doom.

The lands of the Inner Kingdoms, golden realms of eternal summer, knew at last the touch of winter as cold winds blew from the north and ignoble rains battered the balmy plains. Magical sprites, capricious things of glittering mischief, transformed in an instant, their mischief turned to spite, playfulness to malice. The forests of Chrace echoed with the sound of enraged beasts, and lone hunters abroad in the shadowed depths sought the sanctuary of caves or tall trees.

Towering breakers battered the rocky coastline of Cothique as the ocean surged with fury, desperate to spill over the land. Within the Gaen Vale, the mountain of the crone maiden rumbled as though ancient geological faults tore open, and black smoke clawed from its summit. From Sapherian villas and the coastal mansions of Yvresse, to the rocky, cliff-top towers of Tiranoc and palaces of such beauty that they may only be told of in song, the land of the elves knew pain and sorrow.

The great statues of the Everqueen and the Phoenix King that stood sentinel over the mighty port of Lothern trembled upon their mighty footings. The light of a thousand torches illuminated Lothern, but the marbled Everqueen remained shrouded in the deepest shadows, and all who looked upon the regal features of the Phoenix King saw the stern and unflinching countenance crack, like the carven track of a single tear.

Ulthuan's warriors, mages, poets and peacemakers alike wept with their magical home. That shared woe passed from the elves to the land, and from the land to the air. And as Ulthuan mourned, it spread on the winds of magic throughout the world until even distant kin in ports as far away as Tor Elithis breathed in the sorrow of the Everqueen's fate.

The distant asrai of Athel Loren grieved with their long lost brothers and sisters, the slumbering Orion and fey queen Ariel dipping the branches of their forest home in shared anguish. Though the paths of the asur and asrai had taken very different turns through the ages of the world, their shared heritage was still a bright thread of connection between them.

Even the crude and unsophisticated race of man felt something amiss in the world. Children – who alone of the race of men retain their sense of wonder – woke from troubled dreams with a scream on their lips, and those forced to pass the long watches of the night in wakefulness felt the touch of the grave draw ever closer. Dramatists and dreamers felt an aspect of beauty pass from the world, while those whose lives had been touched by the asur in some way felt an unreasoning grief they could not explain when the sun's rays once again illuminated a world that seemed just a little less bright than before.

If the dwarfs of the mountain holds felt anything of these events, none could say, for elf and dwarf had long since lost any love for the other.

Only the fallen elves of Naggaroth revelled in this time of suffering. As drops of blood fell to the loamy earth of Avelorn, cold laughter echoed from the crooked towers of the druchii's accursed cities of dark iron and bloodstained stone.
-Sons of Ellyrion.
 
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