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Don't the Asur have methods to be able to figure out if someone is lying or not during trial? I vaguely recall something about the Everqueen having a truth sense, though if she's the only one with it then it might explain why such a method wasn't used when Dorial was, presumably, asked to give testimony, in case our trial wasn't important enough to warrant the Everqueen's direct attention.

Still, court verdict from the king and Asuryan's representative that Dorial has no criminal responsibility. For some people nothing will be enough and they'll continue to blame Dorial no matter what the Phoenix King says, but for the rest, in Dorial's case the tables are reversed: While there's a court verdict explicitly determining that we are guilty, there's a court verdict explicitly determining that Dorial is not.

The point is not that they think Dorial is lying, they think he is a failure of a swordsmaster who did not notice the that the person he has been assigned to got a bunch of elves killed. You do not have to think someone is criminally liable to dislike them.
 
Really hope that Greater Aqshy Elemental retains self-destruction and gains other capabilities.

Honestly, if it's just a bigger bomb at tier 4, then it's kinda underwhelming. Unless, of course, it's a really BIG bomb.
 
Really hope that Greater Aqshy Elemental retains self-destruction and gains other capabilities.

Honestly, if it's just a bigger bomb at tier 4, then it's kinda underwhelming. Unless, of course, it's a really BIG bomb.

We've seen the Greater Aqshy Elemental when the Prophet summoned one that he'd trapped in his coins, early on in the Jaarpen raid. While ours might not be 1:1, I don't see why it'd be drastically different. We at least know that it was a lot stronger than its Lesser Elemental version, given how it absolutely destroyed the Norscans, but its up in the air whether it still explodes when killed or not.
 
We've seen the Greater Aqshy Elemental when the Prophet summoned one that he'd trapped in his coins, early on in the Jaarpen raid. While ours might not be 1:1, I don't see why it'd be drastically different. We at least know that it was a lot stronger than its Lesser Elemental version, given how it absolutely destroyed the Norscans, but its up in the air whether it still explodes when killed or not.
What the Prophet used wasn't a GAE but an Efreet. CGAE is a spell where you create an elemental out of Aqshy, like any other spell. What the Prophet does is finding naturally occurring spirits (here fire spirits) and binding them into objects. It's possible that a GAE is very different than an Efreet.
 
The point is not that they think Dorial is lying, they think he is a failure of a swordsmaster who did not notice the that the person he has been assigned to got a bunch of elves killed. You do not have to think someone is criminally liable to dislike them.
He did not know, but the point is that those people think he should have noticed (being that the Swordmasters are master investigators), or they think he did know and is lying to cover his ass.

Also being so bad in your job that people are harmed is often also a form of criminal liability, but it doesn't seem that Dorial was convicted of that. In that regard the level of trust that swordmasters are expected to put in their loremasters seem like it might have played in favor of finding him free of liability. When we brought the Vaul Priest ( :anger: ) the shield his immediate expectation was that our bladelord would say that what should be done with the shield had nothing to do with what Dorial had to think about it, even for a shield that belong to Dorial by rights. The Vaulite priest ( :mad: ) didn't even seem to know Dorial personally either, it seemed to have been just a general expectation of what a Blade Lord would do.

That same expectation that a swordmaster just follow his loremaster's lead when an exotic artifact is found might have played against us when it came to the shield, but might have played in favor of Dorial when it came to determining his innocence with the whole plaques saga.

And yeah I'm not saying there won't be anyone who hates Dorial despite him being found not guilty, I'm just saying that in the court of public opinion it'd seem like our detractors would have a harder time trying to besmirch him then they do us, given we actually were found to have been criminally liable, even if he does get some blowback from still being associated with us.
 
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What the Prophet used wasn't a GAE but an Efreet. CGAE is a spell where you create an elemental out of Aqshy, like any other spell. What the Prophet does is finding naturally occurring spirits (here fire spirits) and binding them into objects. It's possible that a GAE is very different than an Efreet.
This is also just the natural form that is created when the basic magic framework the Prophet uses is filled with Aqshy. I am curious if, because we are creating it wholesale, we get input on what exactly the greater version does.

Failing that I hope in the very least the "hot but not damaging" aura turns into a damaging aura and the "weak fighter" becomes "Strong fighter". Between that and self destruct it basically turns into a targetable lesser vortex of flame that explodes when done.

Another very fun twist would be if the greater version could become self sustaining if enough fire gets going, but then becomes difficult to control.
 
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Also giving it some thought if we move to the Bull's Keep this might be our chance to recruit some ogres to our mercenary company over time given those are relatively common in Ostland.

@Blackout what effect does "Fat of the Land" have on ogres? Even if it doesn't eliminate their hunger as it would with humans and elves if it has some effect maybe we could find some ogres who would be willing to give us a discount on their upkeep in exchange for "Fat of the Land" castings. Otherwise those are probably going to be very expensive to hire.
 
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Don't the Asur have methods to be able to figure out if someone is lying or not? I vaguely recall something about the Everqueen having a truth sense, though if she's the only one with it then it might explain why such a method wasn't used when Dorial was, presumably, asked to give testimony, in case our trial wasn't important enough to warrant the Everqueen's direct attention.
They do, but they are generally very intrusive and only used in the most serious of circumstances.

The Everqueen does not have a truth sense in any source that I recall reading.

Re: the chapterhouse- are they considered decent or good? don't want to annoy the swordmasters
Fanriel estimates that they would be comparable to decent. It is a military fortress.

@Blackout what effect does "Fat of the Land" have on ogres? Even if it doesn't eliminate their hunger as it would with humans and elves if it has some effect maybe we could find some ogres who would be willing to give us a discount on their upkeep in exchange for "Fat of the Land" castings. Otherwise those are probably going to be very expensive to hire.
Try it and see what happens.
 
Try it and see what happens.

Fair enough. I thought that some people in the Tower might have made a research of it already.

Also interestingly there's apparently an order of elite Ostlandian great sword infantry that currently already exists called the Ostland Black Guard. Apparently there are 500 of them. We might get a visit from them asking for training if news spreads of our swordmasters' skill with a great sword.

Fanriel estimates that they would be comparable to decent. It is a military fortress.
Though as a long term place of residence it seems like we might be able to furnish it to be better. For example we could presumably buy our own bedsheets of Cathayian silk rather then sleeping in that of an inn if that's what our swordmasters decide they want.

Speaking of which, without having the threat of lodgings costs constantly hovering over us, starting to pay them would become less difficult on our budget.
 
But aren't the knights all nobles? I would expect Good to be the standard for them.
They do not get nobility-tier accommodations whilst in the service of the Knightly Order, and as has been repeatedly mentioned Ostland is not a rich province and the Knights of the Bull are not in a good financial situation.

@Blackout could we write a paper on how ogres, given their voracity, are affected by castings of something like Fat of the Land if we were to test it?
You could.
 
But aren't the knights all nobles? I would expect Good to be the standard for them.
1. This is a martial order, so comfort comes secondary to making sure they're all outfitted with good gear

2. They're currently poor to the point they even recognized they couldn't afford to pay us the full price of the Demigryph egg. That doesn't scream being able to get outfitted with good lodgings while also maintaining all their very expensive gear.
 
To be fair, while Ostland is poor, so is Kislev, so it didn't seem that much of a stretch to think they'd have a living standard of the sort we were told is enjoyed by Kislevite low nobility.

Still, Decent is fine. As it's a place we can stay on long term, us and the swordmasters can also start furnishing it.

Hell, the guy from Ellyrion is apparently a good enough hunter to take care of a demigryph's hunger. If our swordmasters want more meat then there you go.
 
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To be fair, while Ostland is poor, so is Kislev, so it didn't seem that much of a stretch to think they'd have a living standard of the sort we were told is enjoyed by Kislevite low nobility.

Still, Decent is fine. As it's a place we can stay on long term, us and the swordmasters can also start furnishing it.

Hell, the guy from Ellyrion is apparently a good enough hunter to take care of a demigryph's hunger. If our swordmasters want more meat then there you go.

I say we hire some support staff next downtime. A Elven or Halfling cook for the fine tastes of the Swordmasters and the joy of our soldiers.

Maybe also some healers or barber-surgeons for when Fanriel is not araound.
 
They do, but they are generally very intrusive and only used in the most serious of circumstances.

The Everqueen does not have a truth sense in any source that I recall reading.
Given how the current Everqueen died in canon (poisoned by an assassin who spent several minutes in polite conversation with her beforehand) I think there's some pretty solid circumstantial evidence against her having one.
 
I say we hire some support staff next downtime. A Elven or Halfling cook for the fine tastes of the Swordmasters and the joy of our soldiers.

Maybe also some healers or barber-surgeons for when Fanriel is not araound.

We could also just pay them so that they can buy extras that they want like Cathayian silks or Eatainian wines on top of what they already get at the keep.

IIRC it was said when we were healing Dorial that local human physicians are not likely to be any better at knowing how to heal an elf's physiology then our own swordmasters.

As is we have the cult of Isha nearby who are willing to treat all of our swordmasters. So long as we don't leave too far from Erengard we should be good on healthcare for them.
 
Also we have loremaster omnicompetence. I'm pretty sure we actually are a high elf cook.

@Blackout given loremaster omnicompetence, how good of a cook is Fanriel? Good enough that we wouldn't really have any need for a human cook? How would she compare to any elven cook that we could be theoretically capable of affording?
 
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Also we have loremaster omnicompetence. I'm pretty sure we actually are a high elf cook.

@Blackout given loremaster omnicompetence, how good of a cook is Fanriel? I imagine good enough that we wouldn't really have any need for a human cook, but how would she compare to any elven cook that we could be theoretically capable of affording?
Fanriel is a highly skilled cook, unless you find an actual master she is likely to be as good or better than anyone you could hire.

However, because cooking is both a timeconsuming task and one that must be performed regularly for it to be particularly useful, hiring an elven cook would still be a substantial improvement because it's not practical to have Fanriel constantly spend time cooking. Even with Loremaster omnicompetence you cannot do two things at once.
 
So it means there's cooking lessons at the White Tower, and likely entire kitchens full of nerds learning to cook, bake and mix spices.
 
Fanriel is a highly skilled cook, unless you find an actual master she is likely to be as good or better than anyone you could hire.

However, because cooking is both a timeconsuming task and one that must be performed regularly for it to be particularly useful, hiring an elven cook would still be a substantial improvement because it's not practical to have Fanriel constantly spend time cooking. Even with Loremaster omnicompetence you cannot do two things at once.
Couldn't we just spend an action on it during downtimes if we felt that it was worth it? Have the Ellyrian bring the meat while we cook it. Spread a week's worth of labor over a period of time.
 
Why would we want Fanriel to use her very valuable time to cook?
Why would we want to spend our very valuable money on a high elf cook? If we're actually considering the possibility of hiring a High Elf cook then depending on how much one would cost then an action for us to do it ourself might end up costing less then the cost of such a retainer.
 
Couldn't we just spend an action on it during downtimes if we felt that it was worth it? Have the Ellyrian bring the meat while we cook it. Spread a week's worth of labor over a period of time.
Sure, if that's what you want to spend your actions on.

And you wouldn't be able to do so on campaign, when a tasty meal would have the best effect.
 
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