Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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@Cetashwayo - Would it be unusual for a Greek to have business ties to Carthage or family relations (like, a cousin married to a Carthaginian or something?)
Why do you think Greek city states are often so willing to kill and destroy other city states? They don't have any ties to them. That's the point. Polis life is deeply alienating to anyone who wants to break out of the polis. An unfortunate reality (or advantage) of the model.
[x] Plan Adriatic Focus
[x] [Selection] Open it up to any citizen or Metic willing to make the trip to the colonies and fund their voyage [-2 talent upkeep per turn, faster and uncontrolled colonial growth].
[x] [Colonization] Keep founding new colonies centrally controlled [Better diplomatic relations with local powers, less chance of citizen-led colonization].
[x] [League] Better to maintain a single league with a single synedrion [maintain single district of Epulian League, happier new colonies but stronger league].
[x] [Athenai] Advise them to send the Athenians away. We cannot afford Syrakousai rallying the Sicilians against Athenai, and by extension us, to force out all non-Sicilian powers from intervention in Sicily.
[x] [Diplomacy] Gela. Gela is the symbolic and ceremonial center of Sicily and Sikeliote identity. In the past decades it has generally switched between being neutral and supporting Syrakousai. We must convince them that a balance of power is better for Sicily and Sikeliotes than one power uniting all of the rest [Success influenced by Xenoparakletor and other Sicilian choices].
[x] [Peacekeeping] A Sicily for Sicilians is a Peaceful Sicily! What is needed is a revolution in diplomacy and an improvement in communication. Let the cities exchange diplomats, conclude sacred truces, and create a common league to keep the peace among them so that no one city should be powerful [Could delay war in Sicily indefinitely, Sicilians will pursue closer cooperation].
[x] [Allies] The Enetoi & Histri. Merchants and fishermen, the Enetoi and Histri have a naval tradition just as the Iapodes and Liburni do, but prefer trading to piracy. The Enetoi were past friends to Eretria, and working with them will surely gain their favor as well as their light but numerous navies [If successful, better relations with the Enetoi and Histri, +200 allied warriors, +40 allied pentekontors].
[x] [Strategos] Epiktetos Linos (Demos Drakonia, The Wooden Wall)
Please make all subvotes with a dash so it doesn't count them separately.
I will say that if it wasn't for the ridiculous 3 trireme squad thing, I would be all the way behind wooden wall after kipeci and vesca's arguments. It's just the absurd division of our forces that dissuades me. It feels to me like Linos is so proud of his guerrilla war success that he's trying to repeat it here despite this conflict being an offensive war in enemy territory that he has no knowledge of, and where retreat can be cut off easily and much more completely.
You have some knowledge of the terrain, but more pertinently given the small amount of room for manuever it would be a little crazy to deploy all of the fleet at once. Three triremes manuever better than fifteen.
Please add dashes for the subvotes so that it doesn't count those votes.
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What exactly would be the plan if we got the the assistance of either one? How would we be bringing in our own armed forces for the matter?
How do you mean?
@Cetashwayo Would approval-plan voting be an option here? I dislike normal plan voting, because it (just like first-past-the-post voting) almost always comes down to only two leading plans competing for first place. With the rest of the plans abandoned in favor of the most similar leading plan (last time that was Steel ram vs Greatest victory). In my opinion the resulting discussions are often heated and more focused on what is bad about the other plan, rather than finding compromise.
I would prefer not to muck up the tally more than it is. I can think about it in the future, though.
A few mistakes made their way into the treasury tab (although I suspect the final result is correct):
#1 The total Expenses are wrong:
If you add up everything listed under expenses you get 324.9 Talents. (Or 326.9 see #3)
#2 The final budget is then "wrong":
If you add up inital Budget + Income - corrected Expenses, you arrive at 327 Talents.
#3 It seems you calculated our Expenses 2 talents higher than shown in the update:
I suspect you simply forgot to bumb Salaries & Subsidies to 22.0 Talents due to the calendar reform.
Amazing update as always!
Yeah, this is just an artifact of me changing the numbers after I had already written down the turn budget. Fixed.