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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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People keep saying 'let's not discuss this', yet others keep thinking they've got something to contribute. Let's see how long this hiatus lasts...
EDIT: All of five minutes. Great job everyone.
 
I have a strong feeling that if the whole Lisa incident happened with somebody else in place of Lisa that a lot less people would be calling the decision a screw up. Because let's face it people tend to have a bias for certain Worm characters that they like and tend to ignore the worst of their actions and personality traits.

Edit: So did not read the most recent posts before typing this. Now that I have I am just going to drop this now.
 
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Red Bovine said:
I have a strong feeling that if the whole Lisa incident happened with somebody else in place of Lisa that a lot less people would be calling the decision a screw up. Because let's face it people tend to have a bias for certain Worm characters that they like and tend to ignore the worst of their actions and personality traits.
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There's bias that cuts the other way too. People just have certain characters in Worm that they utterly despises/see as irrediable/cheer while wishing harm on them, will only see the worst in them, and will hold canon's actions and motivations against them, even in fanfics/quests where the two characters only share a name, costume, and powerset.
If it had been Contessa, Alexandria, or Doctor Mother in that situation, even if the dialog had changed, I'd bet the winning vote there would be the same.
 
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Always Late said:
There's bias that cuts the other way too. People just have certain characters in Worm that they utterly despises/see as irrediable/cheer while wishing harm on them, will only see the worst in them, and will hold canon's actions and motivations against them, even in fanfics/quests where the two characters only share a name, costume, and powerset.
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Which is why pretty much everyone said 'fuck no' to Coil. He didn't do himself any favors in canon, after all.
 
kokuenDG said:
Which is why pretty much everyone said 'fuck no' to Coil. He didn't do himself any favors in canon, after all.
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*cough*
Always Late said:
NEVER FUCKING EVER.
Calvert's a sick, sick, motherfucker who'd put a bullet in our back the moment we ceased to become useful, and we'd be party to Dinah's situation.
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Speaking of, you know what the best/worst kind of development the Coil plotline would be? That he actually is and has been a good person ostracized by the heroes the whole time, and the worst thing about him is that he's a 'must see everything' control freak due to Ellisburg/his power.
Would teach us to meta-game.
 
Always Late said:
*cough*

*cough*
Speaking of, you know what the best/worst kind of development the Coil plotline would be? That he actually is and has been a good person ostracized by the heroes the whole time, and the worst thing about him is that he's a 'must see everything' control freak due to Ellisburg/his power.
Would teach us to meta-game.
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That would be a Coil in name only, and without a well thought out explanation would be a poor move.
 
Red Bovine said:
If anything that whole messing with her may be good for her in the long run since she may rethink the whole needlessly pissing off people that could kill me thing she has a nasty habit of doing
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Hmm lets see:
-Goaded Glory Girl and Panacea. Nearly got killed by Glory Girl and Panacea
-Goaded Jack Slash. Got her mouth cut open and nearly killed.
-Exposed Cauldron in front of a large audience. Got away with it, but tore the world apart.

It's not going to happen, because...

Red Bovine said:
I have a strong feeling that if the whole Lisa incident happened with somebody else in place of Lisa that a lot less people would be calling the decision a screw up. Because let's face it people tend to have a bias for certain Worm characters that they like and tend to ignore the worst of their actions and personality traits.
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It could be Tattletale, Accord, Armsmaster, Piggot, Tagg, Alexandria, etc...it was indeed an entirely in character action to want to lash back at someone poking at you.

It was also entirely self destructive for self satisfaction. That's the point being conveyed. Sure, setting their car on fire and then walking off while flipping them off is satisfying, it doesn't benefit us, doesn't actually hurt them enough, and creates an enemy.

There is a reason you do no small harm. If you are taking an action which creates an enemy where there was none, you should be either gaining significant benefit, OR ensuring that said enemy is no longer an issue.

We should rethink needlessly pissing off people in general.
 
veekie said:
There's no hard maximum, except that anything at 10+ is beyond the capability of a given PRT branch to deal with, even with reinforcements.
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The hard maximum would be 'call in everyone, and throw everything you can at this,' basically. Or 'Kiss your butt good-bye, because even the combined resources of the planet can't take this.'

Well, paraphrasing, anyway.
 
veekie said:
Hmm lets see:
-Goaded Glory Girl and Panacea. Nearly got killed by Glory Girl and Panacea
-Goaded Jack Slash. Got her mouth cut open and nearly killed.
-Exposed Cauldron in front of a large audience. Got away with it, but tore the world apart.

It's not going to happen, because...
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Actually it was the evil clones that exposed Cauldron to a large crowd. Don't remember the whole Jack Slash things but I think other things were going on there.

veekie said:
It could be Tattletale, Accord, Armsmaster, Piggot, Tagg, Alexandria, etc...it was indeed an entirely in character action to want to lash back at someone poking at you.

It was also entirely self destructive for self satisfaction. That's the point being conveyed. Sure, setting their car on fire and then walking off while flipping them off is satisfying, it doesn't benefit us, doesn't actually hurt them enough, and creates an enemy.

There is a reason you do no small harm. If you are taking an action which creates an enemy where there was none, you should be either gaining significant benefit, OR ensuring that said enemy is no longer an issue.

We should rethink needlessly pissing off people in general.
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How was it self destructive to call out TT and have Taylor stand up for herself? As far as I see it Taylor was standing up for herself after years of bullying from someone who was needlessly antagonistic towards her.
 
Red Bovine said:
How was it self destructive to call out TT and have Taylor stand up for herself? As far as I see it Taylor was standing up for herself after years of bullying from someone who was needlessly antagonistic towards her.
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The general argument was we could have handled it better. I.E. walk away and ignore it... literally what she had been doing with her bullies, which never worked. *Shrug* I think that's also a good chunk of why one of our initial reactions was:

*At Samantha* *Blank Stare* "... Well fuck you too."
 
Wonder how long this discussion'll cycle around before someone decides to call a mod in? Silently Watches hasn't exactly put their foot down.
 
All that really matters is that she's going to be doing her best to sabotage us from now on. So keep that in mind for the future.
 
ShadowAngelBeta said:
I'm with Always Late on that one. You really didn't pick that up? She antagonizes people especially when she shouldn't. Right now, that's us. That's why that whole thing happened in the first place in fact.
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Yeah. Lisa doesn't do 'Cowed/intimidated into submission'. If anything, it makes her, like most teens, push back harder. She's faced Calvert's vast access, resources, and faced death or worse at the barest hint of her plans reaching him. Taylor's got nothing on Coil.
 
Lisa wont be sabotage us, that was confirmed by the damn QM earlier on. As soon as she is able, she will leave Brockton Bay and hope to hell she doesn't see Taylor again.

That is because of the reading she got from Sam. Sam was ready to kill her.

Stop thinking about negative consequences when they don't exist in the first place damn it, and let his be the damn end of this already.
 
I kinda think that we're in the same tier as Faultline right now though. They can't stand each other, but don't act against each other or try and sabotage the other without sufficient reason.

Also, please be done with this argument already. Everyone's saying the same thing and keeps going back to the same arguments at this point, and no one seems to be willing to back down so just drop it.
 
kokuenDG said:
I kinda think that we're in the same tier as Faultline right now though. They can't stand each other, but don't act against each other or try and sabotage the other without sufficient reason.

Also, please be done with this argument already. Everyone's saying the same thing and keeps going back to the same arguments at this point, and no one seems to be willing to back down so just drop it.
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Sorry, I try to reign myself in but reading through these comments just annoys me sometimes. Especially when they start becoming overly paranoid and crap. So I'll probably ignore the thread now until the next update.
 
It's times like this that make me wonder: If the definition of insanity is repeating the exact same actions again and again and again, all while expecting that this time, thing'll be different... who's the crazier?
The people who keep bringing the Lisa debate back up? Or the people who keep saying 'let it die, just drop it'?
ShadowAngelBeta said:
*Reads* *Looks at the rest of SV* *Looks back to this* Uhh... Well, its a nice dream at least? *Shrug* Sorry.
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I love it watching people make 'I'm going to drop this' right after making an emotional, argumentative post. It's like getting the last word in somehow gets you money or something.
 
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