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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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Hate Fish said:
So, hold up. We can give people super powers... to make it easier to give them super powers. I want to say this may have unintended consequences, but honestly, I'm just too happy about the general idea of super soldier serums.
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You somehow misspelled "hilarious" here. And I wish I could claim them as unintended, but sadly I realized what I was doing before doing it anyway. Remember how I said there was synergy between Mutagenics and Tech Enhancement serums? :whistle:
 
Hate Fish said:
So, hold up. We can give people super powers... to make it easier to give them super powers. I want to say this may have unintended consequences, but honestly, I'm just too happy about the general idea of super soldier serums.
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Consider how many people we've tested for linker cores and how many people we've given any sort of mutation at all. Vista probably gets the boost, and we might eventually recruit Cailleach and give her the boost. Beyond that? We really don't have anyone in the offing to improve, and we don't have a good enough relationship with the Protectorate to want to give it to them.

I'm also not sure we have any other promising recruiting opportunities, but we could probably invest some actions into that. And if we recruit Cailleach, she might have someone to recommend.
 
dhasenan said:
Consider how many people we've tested for linker cores and how many people we've given any sort of mutation at all. Vista probably gets the boost, and we might eventually recruit Cailleach and give her the boost. Beyond that? We really don't have anyone in the offing to improve, and we don't have a good enough relationship with the Protectorate to want to give it to them.

I'm also not sure we have any other promising recruiting opportunities, but we could probably invest some actions into that. And if we recruit Cailleach, she might have someone to recommend.
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We need to invest action into getting Taylor to meet new people to find trustworthy folks.
 
Silently Watches said:
It might not be a bad thing to have another Gadgeteer, particularly if you find someone who'd be willing to split time 50/50. New Gadgeteer might be more of the combat cyborg person, making armors and prosthetics for themselves as well as others and trying them out in the field, and Tim keeps doing all the weird esoteric stuff since he has the Exotic Physics.
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Any chance we could get somebody from Dragon's company to be that mage? Swapping half of his build time for a couple of years* in exchange for a template is already similar to a number of scholarships that require the student to work for the group that provides the scholarship, once they've completed their schooling, for a couple of years.

*As much as I really want to build our active party, TG is a background class. Tim's seen some development, but a new TG is unlikely to give us as many opportunities for those developments thanks to a large part of his screen time coming from when he first developed something.

dhasenan said:
Consider how many people we've tested for linker cores and how many people we've given any sort of mutation at all. Vista probably gets the boost, and we might eventually recruit Cailleach and give her the boost. Beyond that? We really don't have anyone in the offing to improve, and we don't have a good enough relationship with the Protectorate to want to give it to them.

I'm also not sure we have any other promising recruiting opportunities, but we could probably invest some actions into that. And if we recruit Cailleach, she might have someone to recommend.
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We have few immediate, personal uses for various mutagens. That doesn't mean we have no valid uses, as we have a lot of allies in the Protectorate and Adepts who could benefit from them. We don't even need to use a linker core mutagen for most of our Protectorate allies to make the mutagens worth anything. Too bad we can't give Alexandria Strike Boost, but Legend would likely see a lot of benefit from barret Boost.
 
Wyrd said:
Legend would likely see a lot of benefit from barret Boost.
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Now we just need to figure out which animal is best linked with 'Rainbows' for Legend's priming dose (assuming he's onboard with the plan anyways).

And no, I'm not gonna accept someone screaming 'UNICORN!'... Come on people, you can do better than that! :D







That'll be Narwhal for whom the mutation obviously manifests as a unicorn horn :p.
 
Pyrotech51 said:
Now we just need to figure out which animal is best linked with 'Rainbows' for Legend's priming dose (assuming he's onboard with the plan anyways).
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Well given his personality I'm pretty sure he's not a Bear at least...


For some reason I want to say Golden Lab, friendly, cute, photogenic, and just this side of dumb to keep from messing the carpets. (I'm not anti-Legend, it's just that Cauldron as a whole in canon are as dumb as Sunfish.





 
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Pyrotech51 said:
Now we just need to figure out which animal is best linked with 'Rainbows' for Legend's priming dose (assuming he's onboard with the plan anyways).

And no, I'm not gonna accept someone screaming 'UNICORN!'... Come on people, you can do better than that! :D







That'll be Narwhal for whom the mutation obviously manifests as a unicorn horn :p.
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Wagyl, the Rainbow Serpent from Aboriginal mythology?
 
Wyrd said:
Any chance we could get somebody from Dragon's company to be that mage? Swapping half of his build time for a couple of years* in exchange for a template is already similar to a number of scholarships that require the student to work for the group that provides the scholarship, once they've completed their schooling, for a couple of years.

*As much as I really want to build our active party, TG is a background class. Tim's seen some development, but a new TG is unlikely to give us as many opportunities for those developments thanks to a large part of his screen time coming from when he first developed something.
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It's certainly a possibility. There has to be some aspiring engineering student who would happily both get a job with frickin' DRAGON and get to be a cape. The only downside I can see here is that if she picks the candidate based on a native Linker Core, she'd open herself up to allegations of job discrimination.
Pyrotech51 said:
That'll be Narwhal for whom the mutation obviously manifests as a unicorn horn :p.
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You get a snrk.
Valdimarian said:
Well given his personality I'm pretty sure he's not a Bear at least...
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And you get a snrk.
Archeo Lumiere said:
Wagyl, the Rainbow Serpent from Aboriginal mythology?
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Finding a real-life creature would be difficult, and Tim can't just up and design new species without a second cross-training in Tech Enhancement.

Wait, you're talking mutation, not Guardian Beast. I'd think macaw feathers.
 
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Oh, and heads up. Talking about Taylor and Missy's shared experiences doesn't look like it's going to happen. I started working on the chapter last night, and Missy apparently needs to vent. The volleyball portion will still happen.
 
Silently Watches said:
Wait, you're talking mutation, not Guardian Beast. I'd think macaw feathers.
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Huh... With the Simurgh 'gone' feathers aren't going to be anywhere near as taboo either, and probably within a reasonable period of time too.

I mean it's Legend anyways, and despite apparently being an excellent public speaker he's not a Master so he'd probably be fine, but still.
 
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Silently Watches said:
It's certainly a possibility. There has to be some aspiring engineering student who would happily both get a job with frickin' DRAGON and get to be a cape. The only downside I can see here is that if she picks the candidate based on a native Linker Core, she'd open herself up to allegations of job discrimination.
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It is legal to discriminate based on your ability to do the job. Offering to give them a mutagen LC would be a far murkier legal issue, but since we currently(and as far as we know, ever) give a template to a non-mage, that should be in the clear on a legal basis. I'm sure parahumans have caused a lot of those laws to be rewritten to take into account how broad a range of jobs require abilities that cannot be trained.

Silently Watches said:
Oh, and heads up. Talking about Taylor and Missy's shared experiences doesn't look like it's going to happen. I started working on the chapter last night, and Missy apparently needs to vent. The volleyball portion will still happen.
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I considered changing the subvote on mine to say "talk about what has Missy worked up", but felt it wasn't a large enough difference to add the extra headache for you of deciding how to combine things. As such, if she needs to vent, then that fully fits with at least my intentions for the vote.
 
Wyrd said:
It is legal to discriminate based on your ability to do the job. Offering to give them a mutagen LC would be a far murkier legal issue, but since we currently(and as far as we know, ever) give a template to a non-mage, that should be in the clear on a legal basis. I'm sure parahumans have caused a lot of those laws to be rewritten to take into account how broad a range of jobs require abilities that cannot be trained.
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The issue I'm thinking of here is that unlike parahuman powers, magic is genetic, which could be interpreted as racial discrimination. I don't think such a suit would win, but one could be filed.
 
Silently Watches said:
The issue I'm thinking of here is that unlike parahuman powers, magic is genetic, which could be interpreted as racial discrimination. I don't think such a suit would win, but one could be filed.
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Yeah, I suspect you'd get about as far with such a suit as you would with one trying to suggest that airlines are being discriminatory by not hiring people without 20/20 vision to fly their planes...

It's unfortunate but there are always going to be jobs that only some people are physically capable of performing, and I suspect that'll remain the case for a very long time. This sort of thing just looks worse because the can't group is much larger than the can group, at least until or if the mutagens take off.
 
Silently Watches said:
The issue I'm thinking of here is that unlike parahuman powers, magic is genetic, which could be interpreted as racial discrimination. I don't think such a suit would win, but one could be filed.
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Body shape is, to a degree, genetic and there are several jobs that discriminate based off height. For a fairly niche various fighter pilot placements have size restrictions because sometimes cockpits, most commonly on older aircraft, are just too small for people. As an example IIRC the old planes the Red Arrows fly have limitations on thigh length because if they are too long the control panel will cut them off during ejection.
 
dhasenan said:
Consider how many people we've tested for linker cores and how many people we've given any sort of mutation at all. Vista probably gets the boost, and we might eventually recruit Cailleach and give her the boost. Beyond that? We really don't have anyone in the offing to improve, and we don't have a good enough relationship with the Protectorate to want to give it to them.
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Oh, Vista's getting all the flavours of enhancement we can give her - even with just the Shaker boost permanently applied, she'd dance for joy forever and a day. Giving her a Brute power and a Blaster power in the mix, plus making it easier to give her a Linker Core? That turns her from "possibly the most powerful Cape in the city" to "Triumvirate-tier". Hell, as much as he was a twat to us, maybe if we use Maclaubin's Cape Boost power as a base, we could make a general Cape booster and Trump granter, thus allowing Eidolon to stop being such a bitch about losing his powers.

@Silently Watches, thoughts on the above RE Mac's boost spell? Also, on an unrelated note that you've probably answered before, if we give someone a Core via mutation, can we then give them a Template?
 
Hate Fish said:
@Silently Watches, thoughts on the above RE Mac's boost spell? Also, on an unrelated note that you've probably answered before, if we give someone a Core via mutation, can we then give them a Template?
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SW has previously said that Eidolon will flat out deny anything we try giving him because he's butthurt that we're "replacing" him. She's also previously said that we can template a mutate but it won't affect their mutations. Just the Linker Core.
 
Hate Fish said:
maybe if we use Maclaubin's Cape Boost power as a base
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Yeah, you can't do that. It isn't in Tim's subtemplate. Plus
Hate Fish said:
@Silently Watches, thoughts on the above RE Mac's boost spell? Also, on an unrelated note that you've probably answered before, if we give someone a Core via mutation, can we then give them a Template?
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Even if Eidolon could be convinced to accept it, the issue isn't with Eidolon's shard in the first place. It's all the other shards his connects to that ran out of power.
 
Silently Watches said:
The issue I'm thinking of here is that unlike parahuman powers, magic is genetic, which could be interpreted as racial discrimination. I don't think such a suit would win, but one could be filed.
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In a few generations, that might have a chance of succeeding, but the various things we have outlawed "discriminating on the basis of" have had to be added to the list one at a time thanks to an established pattern of behaviour. While magic capacity is determined by genetics, it is still a thing that you either have or do not have, and no amount of training will give you a usable linker core. In the next decade, if linker cores are found to be more common in a particular ethnicity, that might open the door to lawsuits, but we also have the advantage of a procedure to give people artificial linker cores. Thanks to that, I doubt any such suits would bear fruit, but I do have to concede that a low chance of winning won't stop people from trying.

Hate Fish said:
Oh, Vista's getting all the flavours of enhancement we can give her - even with just the Shaker boost permanently applied, she'd dance for joy forever and a day. Giving her a Brute power and a Blaster power in the mix, plus making it easier to give her a Linker Core? That turns her from "possibly the most powerful Cape in the city" to "Triumvirate-tier".
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As a Shaker 9, she's approaching that tier already. Giving her more power just sweetens the pot and improves the odds of her surviving encounters.

landcollector said:
Hm. I'm beginning to wonder if Missy is contemplating the right time to jump ship from the Wards.
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She's been clearly heading this way for a long time. I suspect the next update will give us an idea how close she has gotten to that last straw.
 
Good god this chapter gets dark. :o
Hate Fish said:
Oh, Vista's getting all the flavours of enhancement we can give her - even with just the Shaker boost permanently applied, she'd dance for joy forever and a day. Giving her a Brute power and a Blaster power in the mix
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I somehow missed this yesterday, probably because I was skimming comments on my phone at work. I was planning on going into more detail when/if you got the skill, but now's as good a time as any I guess.

The native Barret Boost serum does one thing per individual, and it does so consistently. You can't give someone multiple doses at a time and have each one do something different. So Vista, having an AOE power with her space warping, would certainly get a boost to it, but you can't boost her Shaker power AND give her a separate Blaster power. Only people without ranged/aoe powers of their own will get a new one, and giving them a regular serum will always give them that same power.

Having said that, you CAN choose to give someone a specific ranged power (albeit at a cost of 1 serum per build slot rather than 5 serums per slot), so letting people try out multiple powers to find the one they like the best or your idea to give Vista a Blaster power in addition to what she already has are both possible. You still can't amplify Vista's Shaker power at the same time, though, and giving her a Boost mutagen makes it so she's permanently under that Boost serum's effect, so the regular serum would have no effect after you mutate her.

You can do a lot to abuse serums, but I won't let you break the game with them.
 
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