Tale Swapper
(Unverified Madman)
- Location
- Lost Among a Sea of Imaginings and Dreams
We tested her. Unfortunately, she's not a mage (it would make our job, and hers, a lot easier if she was.)
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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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Edit: Imp'ed
- Location
- U.S.A.
Then she can be the badass "normal"!
- Location
- Earth, Sol System, Virgo Supercluster, Earth-1218
This seems the best route to optimize the Mutagenic formula we got from Crawler. Double down on the "here drink this" mechanics.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
So is Chevalier not taking her inclination to just quit seriously? Sure Vista's being a pain and his hands are tied, but it's going to look even worse for him if Vista walks. Frankly, given said restrictions apparently can't be altered at all, she probably should.
- Location
- Koszalin, Poland
Well... this convinced me even more to go for Vista. This Interlude certainly don't make me like him more. Heck, I would say I like him even less. And of course he wants to go with transfer option or put even more restrictions, yes, this will work for sure, especially with an angry teenager. And of course Miss Militia, her surrogate 'mother' looks like she is more of a 'yes-woman' and barely do anything to help Vista out the way I see it here. Why did she even accept being a new mom for Vista? Or was she of course ordered and it never crossed her mind to refuse?
Oh well, plan 'pick up Vista' is a go I guess?
We simply have more then enough leverage to make it stick as mentioned before. Also he doesn't even realize that Vista wants to work badly with Calamity Witch? And he doesn't take seriously that she wants to leave if this will keep going? This is how this looks?
Oh well, plan 'pick up Vista' is a go I guess?
We simply have more then enough leverage to make it stick as mentioned before. Also he doesn't even realize that Vista wants to work badly with Calamity Witch? And he doesn't take seriously that she wants to leave if this will keep going? This is how this looks?
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- Location
- Russia
Chevalier seems to be stuck in the mindset where "being a hero" overlaps with "being in the Wards/Protectorate" perfectly.
dhasenan
always lowercase
- Pronouns
- She/Her
She hasn't been able to go on patrol because she hasn't had anyone old enough to supervise her. Now she has someone old enough, so she can patrol with the Wards. And she's got the seniority there, so she's got an underling.
If they use this carefully, it could keep her with the Wards.
RoninSword
Sky God
- Location
- Canada
The only Ward old enough to supervise her is the new guy who shes been complaining about.
- Location
- Tromso, Norway.
Yeah, but Chevalier just spent an entire update telling us that he's not going to handle this carefully. Specifically I'm thinking of this:
Now, that's the absolute truth. But do you think he'll be able to present it to Vista in a way that she'll accept?
- Location
- New Jersey, USA
Underhand tricks?
I like the look of that!
Those are the best type of tricks!
Could we get any examples of what that would be?
If he was open and explained his thought process to her, and explained to the two wards that Vista was in command (even if only unofficially), yes.
Considering he clearly hasn't been open with Vista/Taylor yet - not even saying that it's org/YG restrictions stopping him to us, only by our OOC and inferred knowledge, he won't be explaining/justifying anything.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
The only way I can see this working is Starmetal calling the shots on Paper but being strongly encouraged to take Vista's advice because she's been doing things longer, and Chevalier making sure both of them know this. Unlikely.
The problem is that he's right about Vista.
She's not too far away from being the child soldier that the Youth Guard are afraid of Wards becoming due to the shitty situation in Brockton Bay and Cauldron's hands-off approach to the city. He's not necessarily wrong in his determination that Vista's being a brat and uncooperative because, from his and everyone else in charge's perspective, she is.
Granted, this will likely encourage her even more to walk, but Chevalier's perspective on things isn't wrong and it's clear that he hates the situation just as much as she does; both because she's incredibly good at her job and because she's getting on his last nerve.
...Also, that conflict drive is pretty hardcore with Missy. Girl needs to calm down yo, especially since she likely won't agree to the reasoning given because she'll see it as nothing but an excuse to keep her from doing anything useful.
She's not too far away from being the child soldier that the Youth Guard are afraid of Wards becoming due to the shitty situation in Brockton Bay and Cauldron's hands-off approach to the city. He's not necessarily wrong in his determination that Vista's being a brat and uncooperative because, from his and everyone else in charge's perspective, she is.
Granted, this will likely encourage her even more to walk, but Chevalier's perspective on things isn't wrong and it's clear that he hates the situation just as much as she does; both because she's incredibly good at her job and because she's getting on his last nerve.
...Also, that conflict drive is pretty hardcore with Missy. Girl needs to calm down yo, especially since she likely won't agree to the reasoning given because she'll see it as nothing but an excuse to keep her from doing anything useful.
- Location
- Erebus
fuu...I was looking forward to his perspectives on the Guardian Beast Rush, not a rehash of what Vista already told us last post.
Guns mines and bombs? Or Mad Science High Energy Physics devices?
Better armors and faster armor turnout. WHO WANTS TO BE IRON MAN?
Hmm............alchemy is cool and all, I guess...but can he make things like Healing Beds, Civilian Teleportation Grids, Everspring Farms and Space habitats/ships? Or is that totally unrelated?
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
There definitely is synergy between Mutagenics and the Tech IE serums.
And the alternative action he should be taking is…?
How should she be helping Vista? Please keep in mind that any solution you propose must comply with the restrictions handed down by the Protectorate at large as described in the chapter.
There is, sadly, a discrepancy between what Chevalier said to Vista and what Vista herself listened to. It's also worth noting that it's Taylor he hasn't been at all open with, mostly because this is Protectorate dirty laundry and she isn't a member of the Wards, so he has absolutely zero reason to tell her any of it.
What I just said about Vista hearing something different from what Chevalier said? THIS is what she heard.
Chevy is in the dark about the Guardian Beasts.
- Location
- Russia
As a somewhat weird analogy, it feels like Missy, instead of being given proper rehab, has been forced to go cold-turkey and everybody refuses to even consider that this might be hurting her more than helping her, even though it's obvious that the drug of being a child soldier is a bad thing.
- Location
- Erebus
He's also wrong. Unless we cut her off from her powers, they're going to be giving her combat withdrawl, Especially after being so stimulated in BB. Best case is she falls out and lands with us. THANKFULLY that's also the most likely case. Without us there's a good chance of this making her a rogue vigilante or villain.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
Also, Chevalier tried to reach a compromise with her, and she blew him off. He is a natural triggered parahuman, i.e. screwed up five ways to sunday and biologically programmed to start conflict, not a child psychologist specializing on child soldiers, which are a bitch and a half to treat even if you are. He is not blind to our concerns, and is doing what he can. this is Worm, heroes are not larger-than-life and infallible. They are crippled by bureaucracy and their own hang-ups.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
Ay ay ay.
Chevalier has very much considered that. If it were up to him, he would approach this situation differently and try to wean her off the conflict drive cocktail. Unfortunately,
it isn't up to him. He's obligated to color inside the lines.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
I mean, at the core of it he's in the right on several levels. He has a moral obligation, he has rules and regulations tying his hands, but the thing is it seems pretty clear that he's not actually tried to communicate with Vista on these things. If he has at some point got down, sat down full seriousness with Vista, explained to her exactly what the problems are and discussed how to meet in the middle, I'd respect that at least, but...
From how it sounds, taking both their testimonies into account, It sounds to me like Chevalier has been making declarations without any explanation and with no attempt to find any sort of compromise. He's just going 'my way or the highway' and putting everyone else before Vista on the sole basis that she's a problem, which is frankly the exact opposite of what you want to do.
Work more closely with problems to try and help them stop being problems. Don't push them away, it only makes everything worse.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
WoG says he has been trying and Vista is being a brat. He speaks, Vista hears the Charlie Brown Teacher sound. No one's fault, major fuckup. Because, Wormverse.
- Location
- Ukraine
Why, not mix tech witch and knight to build Dragon a proper dragon form either mechanical elder wyrm or Tiamat wannabe with strong scales and warious breath weapoons(lethal elemental + sleeping +confoam + some nulifuer aka grue darkdes analouge) and even infrasonic(or other way) frightful presence. It may take multiple weeks to build but ll be realy cool in a s class battle with escaped mashine army or nilbog or even butcher!lung vs mecha dragon/Tiamat
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Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
That doesn't mean he has no leeway. As people were suggesting above, he could pair Vista up with older Wards and made it clear that while the older wards were there for supervision, Vista was the one with more experience. Or hell, put her patrolling with actual Protectorate members so that they can keep an eye on her but she still gets to actually do stuff. Follow the letter of the law while skirting the spirit.
I'll believe that once I've actually seen it. For all we know his attempts at 'compromise' were functionally empty promises that made no actual effort to meet halfway.
- Location
- Russia
Never said that it was his fault. Just tried to summarize Vista's situation in general oOwOoAy ay ay.
Chevalier has very much considered that. If it were up to him, he would approach this situation differently and try to wean her off the conflict drive cocktail. Unfortunately,
it isn't up to him. He's obligated to color inside the lines.
The problem is that, well, his "compromise" isn't much of a compromise. It's still "go with what I/The Rules want or get zilch", he just tries to go for another option of "go with what The Rules want" that still doesn't meet Vista halfway, so she had no desire to try and go halfway for him either.
Lab_Accident
A 2D 1D4
- Location
- Your dreams
The only ward who is older than she is is Starmetal, which. By the way, the "people" suggesting this idea is Chevalier himself.
From what the chapter said, he tried to arrange training and sparring options for her, but she will only accept Live Combat. Which,
- Location
- Russia
Now that I think about it... It's possible that the issue is that the two are seeing the problem from two entirely different sides.
Vista doesn't want to burn off her aggression, she wants to make a difference. And trainig/sparring options do absolutely zilch for that. It's just another way of sitting on her ass doing nothing of worth as far as she's concerned. And Chevalier just doesn't see that what he's trying to propose is failing to meet her halfway in the first place due to him misunderstanding her actual goalposts. Which would be resolved if he just talked to her about it in-depth, but alas.
Vista doesn't want to burn off her aggression, she wants to make a difference. And trainig/sparring options do absolutely zilch for that. It's just another way of sitting on her ass doing nothing of worth as far as she's concerned. And Chevalier just doesn't see that what he's trying to propose is failing to meet her halfway in the first place due to him misunderstanding her actual goalposts. Which would be resolved if he just talked to her about it in-depth, but alas.
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