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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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NotInventedHere said:
Yeah, it occurs to me that we really, really didn't get informed consent from these folks
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landcollector said:
While true to a certain extent, it is hard to deny that we didn't perform a good enough education of the new mages until after they all performed the ritual. By which point, it's too late to undue things.
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Lab_Accident said:
Actually, even the "consent" we did get was flawed, given their commanding officer was in the room and telling them to, and this is a military organization.
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I really hope you lot arent JUST realizing this... As long as we've been discussing it, it should have been apparent.
NotInventedHere said:
giving each of them an *extremely* co-dependent and very permanent life-partner.
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...They're dogs. Even cat-people tend to like dogs. So long as they arent yippy yappy noiseboxes, which a K9 unit would never get. To keep their partners happy, they will very happily be remain dogs while at home. And when magic becomes a public knowledge but before it becomes civilian, "the friend from work" who becomes the family dog when they 'go home for the night'. And a dog sleeping at the foot of the bed is not weird. Though given sam, it probably wont even be that invasive.
 
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landcollector said:
I've known there would be *many* issues that would crop up, yes. But you might want to be a little more specific about what you think should have been apparent.
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Frankenstien aside, magically created friends are always very loyal and familiar with their partners, and this was never suggested to be different either in Nanoha (which I've finally watched) or this story itself. It's been discussed regularly in this thread that guardian beasts take "to death do you part" far more seriously that spouses, and, well, you guys went for dogs specifically because they'd be loyal.

I'm a bit baffled that people just assume the GB's will always be in human form, given how often were told Sam is lounging around as a racoon at home, too. Given the PRT's issue on identity security, and the clear transformation capabilities, it should have been obvious that Cat Sith would still be a housecat to keep that identity secure, and hiding these new GB's would be simpler.

We're forming a K9 unit. These employees are the handlers. They take the dogs home as a part of the handler bonding. The GBs are happy, the PRT is happy, nobody is unmasked.

Second, we're discussing magic with a group of paramilitary professionals. The grunts consent is more or less unneeded, they're a very strict hierarchy. I assumed that was simply understood before the story even started. Then we are trying to convince them of magic, which their worldly professionalism will strictly reject on basic principle rendering consent back to proforma: they are paramilitary.
 
Solusandra said:
Kitsune-bomb!
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Oooh, that gives me..... ideas....

11 Years later

"Poppa, what was it like, you know... Before" The preteen asked, innocent curiosity evedent in the twist of her ears.

"Ahh, that is a most difficult question... Have you asked yoyr mother?" The young father asked, his tail twitching nervously. This must be karma, the world punishing him for chuckling at his friend telling of a simmilar coversation.

The girl's tail lashed irritably.
"Momma told me to ask you, and... Uncle Tom said you where bestest at explaining it"

Her ears flattened slightly in dejection. Sure her questions would go unawnsered once again.

Sighing in defeat, the young man gathered his wits, and tried to remember everything his good friend Tom had related about... The talk...

"Well, ok... Now you must first remember this happened long ago, so long ago you hadn't even been born yet"

"Oh oh, when the parakitsune used to fight all the time?" His daughter asked, ears pricking up happily.

"Parahumans, and yes, there where parahumans around back then, and humans" He corrected gently, a small smile creeping out.

"like you used to be" From the mouths of babes. His smile turned whistful.

"Like everyone used to be" He remembered Tom trying to explain Case 53s to his son, and the hilarity that had caused. He could explain better when she was older, or maybe school would cover it.

"To really understand what it was like you first have to know the differences between what we were, humans, and what we are..."

"Kitsune!" She bounced, tail flicking happily.

"Exactly, now humans... We didn't have ears like we we do now w..."

"But how did you hear if you didn't have ears"

"Ahhh, but we did have ears, tiny little ears, here and here"
He ruffled his daughter's head, roughly where her humans ears would have been.

"...weird..." She giggled, batting at his paws.

"Very... now humans also had, or rather didn't have tails" He swiped gently at her tail.

"Poppaaa!" She whined.

He chuckled. "No, really. No tails at all, annnnd.... We didn't have any fur either..." He grinned, knowing how she'd react.

"No fur!!" She clutched at the long hair atop her head, bottom lip wobbling.

"None... But the long hair atop our heads" He chuckled at her pout. no. This wasn't such a bad talk at all.

"But... why did we change Poppa?" Ahh... No... This was the hard part

"Ahhh, now no one is really sure... But... Well you see we used to live in a democracy... Ahh, a type of government where people vote on what everybody does"

"But what if you don't want to do what everybody else does"

"Ahh, you sort of have to go along with it"

"But that's stupid"

"Yes, with hindsight putting deploying the Kitsune conversion bomb to a general vote might have been.... Unwise..."

//fin
 
Taylor spent an hour and a half answering questions after the guardian beats were made. I imagine she covered details like the beasts dependency and other issues. Legend and the Director should have also had there own plans on how to incorporate this into there structure, seeing as how one of the mages was a janitor.
 
Solusandra said:
I really hope you lot arent JUST realizing this... As long as we've been discussing it, it should have been apparent.
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Eh, I wasn't involved in that discussion, and did not expect that things would be quite this rushed.
Solusandra said:
Second, we're discussing magic with a group of paramilitary professionals. The grunts consent is more or less unneeded, they're a very strict hierarchy.
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One of them is noted to be a janitor - now, that *could* be still a PRT specialist position, but in the middle of a city like this, that could very easily be an outsourced job to a civilian contractor. Presumably he's security-cleared, at least, but still...
Solusandra said:
I'm a bit baffled that people just assume the GB's will always be in human form, given how often were told Sam is lounging around as a racoon at home, too. Given the PRT's issue on identity security, and the clear transformation capabilities, it should have been obvious that Cat Sith would still be a housecat to keep that identity secure, and hiding these new GB's would be simpler.

We're forming a K9 unit. These employees are the handlers. They take the dogs home as a part of the handler bonding. The GBs are happy, the PRT is happy, nobody is unmasked.
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RoninSword said:
Taylor spent an hour and a half answering questions after the guardian beats were made. I imagine she covered details like the beasts dependency and other issues. Legend and the Director should have also had there own plans on how to incorporate this into there structure, seeing as how one of the mages was a janitor.
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That would be the sensible and logical way for things to go. Which is not necessarily the way things *will* go, unless we specify. Right, @Silently Watches?
 
We didnt get to see the Q&A session after, we were just told that it happened, and it lasted for an hour and a half. I suppose we need WoG to know one way or another.
 
NotInventedHere said:
One of them is noted to be a janitor - now, that *could* be still a PRT specialist position, but in the middle of a city like this, that could very easily be an outsourced job to a civilian contractor. Presumably he's security-cleared, at least, but still...
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Janitor is security cleared for sure. A janitor has access to the whole building to do their job.
Probably the PRT is going to generate a new rank to pay people appropriately
Silently Watches said:
The results are promising. Of the thirty newly discovered mages, thirteen are the lowly D-rank and eleven C-rank. Three B-rank, two A-rank, and a single AA make up the higher tiers of magic potential. They are also all members of the PRT. The Protectorate and Wards use this same base, so if any of them had Linker Cores, they would have shown up. It appears that they are, to a one, magically inept just the same as Vista.
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We have an AA and one A ranker. They're probably going to be consulting about what role because A ranked mages are Legend Packages
 
RoninSword said:
Taylor spent an hour and a half answering questions after the guardian beats were made. I imagine she covered details like the beasts dependency and other issues. Legend and the Director should have also had there own plans on how to incorporate this into there structure, seeing as how one of the mages was a janitor.
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Yes, I imagine so. Doesn't change that such a conversation was held after a point of No Return, as it were.
 
Silently Watches said:
Then don't use cats. Repurpose the local K9 unit instead.

I'm not even (entirely) joking. In terms of animal base choices, cats are the most independent, followed by birds to various degrees. Dogs and herd animals are the most trainable and would be the most amenable to a command heirarchy. Class-wise, Swords are the most aggressive, which fits their purpose, followed by Rifles as the other "offensive" class. Every other class is significantly less aggressive, as demonstrated by the fact that when Cat Sith, a Shield, took offense to Legend's suggestion, her response was a blunt no (the "kiss my ass" portion was the cat in her coming out).
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Okay, so after searching back, we do have a WoGM that dog-based GBs will be particularly trainable and willing to follow orders. Still, it'd be nice to get a little more info on that Q&A session and some assurance that we're not getting the old "you didn't specifically say you weren't doing it the stupid way, so you're doing it the stupid way" deal.
 
ChaoticSky said:
let us not engage in mutation roulette with Vista, yes?
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SW woged to us that it had absolutely no need to be a roulette wheel and could be tailored for something a silly and specific as a Kitsune bomb.

Besides...she'd probably volunteer after hearing about tim complain over the headache of the exotic physics problem.

Whadaya wanna bet? She'd choose catgirl? Or bunnygirl.
 
Hate Fish said:
Ah, template stacking. A tale as old as 3.5e D&D.

Which reminds me: if we can do the human template, what's the betting that we can combine "appear human" with stuff like "increased bone density" and "increased muscle fibre strength" to give people low level brute packages?
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I dunno if we can mutate people into appearing human, that's not at all what I understood from Tim's explanation, but maybe? Even if we can't, maybe we can mutate them into having all functions necessary to continue living without Shard assistance, then sever the connection through magic. Maybe Tim could even fix them through "ordinary" plastic surgery after.
 
Lab_Accident said:
I dunno if we can mutate people into appearing human, that's not at all what I understood from Tim's explanation, but maybe? Even if we can't, maybe we can mutate them into having all functions necessary to continue living without Shard assistance, then sever the connection through magic. Maybe Tim could even fix them through "ordinary" plastic surgery after.
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I mean, worst case scenario, we give them Cuttlefish/Octopus style bodies that can survive outside of water, maybe with a hint of Chameleon wrapped in, as a Stranger/Changer power that allows them to appear human as they please. Still, I'm gonna hold out hopes for conceptual retrovirals that make people appear human.
 
Hate Fish said:
I mean, worst case scenario, we give them Cuttlefish/Octopus style bodies that can survive outside of water, maybe with a hint of Chameleon wrapped in, as a Stranger/Changer power that allows them to appear human as they please. Still, I'm gonna hold out hopes for conceptual retrovirals that make people appear human.
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That. Is. Actually a very interesting idea. @Silently Watches , can we actually do this, given however many slots we'd need?
 
Hoyden said:
11 Years later

... ... ...

"Yes, with hindsight putting deploying the Kitsune conversion bomb to a general vote might have been.... Unwise..."
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This last line earns you a training point.
NotInventedHere said:
That would be the sensible and logical way for things to go. Which is not necessarily the way things *will* go, unless we specify. Right, @Silently Watches?
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I reserve the right to do whichever I think creates the better story. :whistle:
Solusandra said:
Whadaya wanna bet? She'd choose catgirl? Or bunnygirl.
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May depend on if we're basing these forms off Blake Belladonna and Velvet Scarletina.
Hate Fish said:
Which reminds me: if we can do the human template, what's the betting that we can combine "appear human" with stuff like "increased bone density" and "increased muscle fibre strength" to give people low level brute packages?
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Yeah, good luck with that one. I realize there are some people who might consider a normal human form "monstrous", but I would have to be reeeeeeally drunk for you to convince me to allow anything like this.
Hate Fish said:
I mean, worst case scenario, we give them Cuttlefish/Octopus style bodies that can survive outside of water, maybe with a hint of Chameleon wrapped in, as a Stranger/Changer power that allows them to appear human as they please.
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Lab_Accident said:
That. Is. Actually a very interesting idea. @Silently Watches , can we actually do this, given however many slots we'd need?
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Go right ahead. This can't possibly turn out badly.
 
I must admit that I hadn't thought we'd be straight up creating dozens of Guardian Beasts in this update. Still though, it was one hell of a demonstration that magic is real.

After looking at the numbers, it appears that there are only three Beasts that can make Storage Devices in this batch, so depending on how the PRT prioritizes things, it may take a while for the new powerhouse mages to be kitted out. Do you think the PRT will want some of the lower ranked mages to get Devices first so they can figure out how they will want their new mages to function in the field?

In addition, I was wondering how things could have played out if someone did have a Rare Skill. If it was something like Affinities or Regeneration we probably would have just let them know about the Skill I think. For something more...I guess a good way of putting it would be "active" like Summoning though? Presumably we would have pulled whatever agent rolled that aside before having them create a Guardian Beast to other hem know about their ability.

Also, has it been stated how exactly summoning works here? Because since Lacey can summon those Scoiattoli things, I'm curious about how that works.
 
While biological augmentation is a thing i have no issue with, I tend to be of the mind that making changes to the body that are uncontrolled, barely controlled, or likely to result in undesired side effects to be a horrible idea. I would chop off and/or replace my everything up to and including my brain with technological or bio-engineered replacements given the choice. I place no value on my meat other than the fact that it is the physical existence that i inhabit, and just like my car i would upgrade to a better one given the chance.

I would not however consent to being injected with a mutagenic compound likely to have unpredictable side effects. Especially not one derived from a insane tinker, and in turn based on the powers of a different crazy parahuman. It might be horribly flawed meat but its meat im stuck in and risking messing it up is a terrible idea from base principles. While we, OOC, can dictate the form of mutation, my understanding is that this is not something that would be known beforehand in-story (Query?) and so i wouldnt push Vista to agree to it.

Better to wait, take our time and let Missy find opportunities to further embrace the much more reliable and elegant path of cybernetic augmentation.

We can use the crawlerjuice to play discount Cauldron and offer the formula to people who are dying. 'We has a thing, it will save you but probably leave you horribly mutated. Want?' Living as a squid person is preferable to dying as a cancer victim. And Alexi will be so proud
 
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