can we get threadmarks to the omakes? you can make a separate set of thread marks for the omakes if you don't want to put them in with the main threadmarks for the story
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
- Start date
- Location
- madison
well the high shelf stuff tends to be capable of some form of self-determination. They probably have procedures for dangerous logia that have developed a mind and decided not to stop being a threat. I suspect they would want to take a very close look at Perfect Storm to make sure he doesn't have some command lurking in the back of his mind that would have him killing everyone, but aside from that, they would likely be willing to leave him be. This isn't their first rodeo, and I doubt the TSAB still has to learn not to antagonize nonhostile killing machines.
That siaid, they may insist on monitoring because something that can self replicate is something that you need to keep an eye on. The worst case scenario is not the plant blowing up, it's perfect storm whipping up a von Numan beserker swarm. Hopefully, they would be willing to just keep a ship on station rather than insist Taylor move into their sphere of influence.
- Location
- In the depts of despair.
The Book of Darkness seemed to work just fine from Hayate's PoV before it all went to hell but to be fair once the TSAB managed to disable all of the Planetary Destruction features they actually gave the very neutered version that remained and its programs the closest thing to full citizenship.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
I see no point in making a threadmark list of omakes when I already have them in a list in the first post, including links to omake in the SpaceBattles thread.
Cauldron's primary problem here is that they're thinking in terms of their own organization: a bunch of amoral assholes willing to do anything, including cutting off their own limbs, to get a short-term advantage. They simply cannot understand that not everyone is as pointlessly dickish as they are.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
The thing is, Cauldron is willing to do anything for a short-term advantage, because they don't believe there will be a long term. They're chronic pessimists, who get "Prepare for the worst" down pat but fail to consider "Hope for the best." The problem is that this attitude causes them to jump on the first solution they can think of, even if it's objectively terrible, because they don't believe there's a better solution. And it may end up shooting them in the foot. Fortunately, this is Nanoha, so even if they screw up they'll probably just get befriended.
- Location
- In the depts of despair.
They also have a huge amount of paranoia thanks to Manton's betrayal which prevents them from getting more help and support, even from discreet people, so while they can commision virtually anything from either Tinkers, Thinkers or the goverment (any goverment) they haven't really talked with anyone about their plans so the 'box' in which they trapped their ideas is fairly small. Just talking about the theorical situation with a few Sci-Fi writers could have given them a few practical ideas to better deal with the crisis other than pearls of morality such as the BB experiment or the Case 53s and the Nemesis program all of which at the long term caused far more problems than solutions.
- Location
- madison
I can argue for the problem they had there strategy was alright. They knew they needed a magic bullet to kill scion, so they maximized the rolls of the dice to get that bullet. They could have had a larger army, but they didn't want a large army because they knew scion could just blow up the planet. So they kept desperately reaching through eden shards looking for one that could kill scion.
It's worth pointing out that the power that made scion killable actually was a bottle cape, there was a lot of other things in play but Sting was what dropped his defenses for the coup de grace. That cauldron both made their magic bullet but missed it says a lot about their strengths and weaknesses.
My read on cauldron is they had to be monsters, so they became monsters. The thing is, humans are kind of bad at that, they tend to overcompensate for empathy, and that's exactly what cauldron did. They had to kill their compassion to do what they needed to, but they went to far. They on some level confused unethical with effective and missed some fairly big things* because they had fallen into the trap of hard men making hard decisions.
Now things have changed, the problem is different and the tools they have are different. But the mindset is the same. They still err on the side of being hard men, but now that's gone from maladaptive to extremely maladaptive.
*power combinations, dragon, really anything that came from them not daring to bring in more people.
It's worth pointing out that the power that made scion killable actually was a bottle cape, there was a lot of other things in play but Sting was what dropped his defenses for the coup de grace. That cauldron both made their magic bullet but missed it says a lot about their strengths and weaknesses.
My read on cauldron is they had to be monsters, so they became monsters. The thing is, humans are kind of bad at that, they tend to overcompensate for empathy, and that's exactly what cauldron did. They had to kill their compassion to do what they needed to, but they went to far. They on some level confused unethical with effective and missed some fairly big things* because they had fallen into the trap of hard men making hard decisions.
Now things have changed, the problem is different and the tools they have are different. But the mindset is the same. They still err on the side of being hard men, but now that's gone from maladaptive to extremely maladaptive.
*power combinations, dragon, really anything that came from them not daring to bring in more people.
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RoninSword
Sky God
- Location
- Canada
My understanding was that Fletchette/Foil was a natural trigger.
- Location
- madison
huh, your right. I could have sworn... I guess she's a natural eden trigger since sting was not supposed to be given out.
- Location
- Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.
Well, regardless Oliver's shard was what finally broke Scion's will to fight, and he was a Cauldron trigger.
Crusader Jerome
Subsisting on Supplication
- Location
- My home away from Rome
Right you are. I'll write a better version when I have time; this one was rushed.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
I've suddenly got the image of Lexie trying to strong-arm Taylor into staying in Bet only to get a face full of Divine Buster.
At this point in canon I think Nanoha was getting out of retirement, so it can happen! Right?!
At this point in canon I think Nanoha was getting out of retirement, so it can happen! Right?!
Nanoha's busy being a combat instructor IIRC. Someone who's more likely to be involved would be Fate or maybe even Hayate because as a Enforcer Fate would be able to be rapidly shifted to help with the situation if needed, and as for Hayate, as a mid ranking (or high rank at this point i dunno) Ground Forces officer she might be involved in getting relief to Earth Bet if TSAB decides its needed.
- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
Finally some properly paranoidal thinking!
Finally some plan, aside from "Let's do nothing and hope it all works out somehow"!
And they're even correct: IAE can kill Endbringers with enough time and resources to pump out enough template-devices.
We probably should ask the TSAB for information about their lost relic. Just to, you know, discern it from all other Lost Logias rampaging on our planet.
Of course you get a say!
It's just before this interlude there would be a salesman at your door trying to get you join the TSAB. Now there would be two salesmen, one trying to get you join the TSAB and other trying to convince you to stay on Earth.
And, according to free market theory, competition is a good thing.
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LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
Finally some properly paranoidal thinking!
Finally some plan, aside from "Let's do nothing and hope it all works out somehow"!
And they're even correct: IAE can kill Endbringers with enough time and resources to pump out enough template-devices.
We probably should ask the TSAB for information about their lost relic. Just to, you know, discern it from all other Lost Logias rampaging on our planet.
Of course you get a say!
It's just before this interlude there would be a salesman at your door trying to get you join the TSAB. Now there would be two salesmen, one trying to get you join the TSAB and other trying to convince you to stay on Earth.
And, according to free market theory, competition is a good thing.
You know what, I ain't even gonna bother.
Taylor knows that Perfect Storm is just a subset of Immortal Assimilation Engine but she doesn't realize that IAE is the world gobbling threat the TSAB is looking for.
Which is quite reasonable considering that, for now, IAE isn't the world gobbling threat the TSAB is looking for. IAE has recognized Taylor as the reagent of the Galean Empire, until such time that contact with the proper empress can be established, and as such isn't operating on it's automatic "make more mages for the glory of the Galean Empire!".
The only question is what will happen when we come in contact with one of the Belkans in the TSAB task force. That might trigger some hidden override mechanism.
BTW, just going to put this out her; I think Cassiel is something within IAE rather then Ziz.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
Wait, you mean to tell me that some unironically believe she's Ziz?! Really?
I thought that it was pretty obvious it'd be kind of absurd...
- Location
- Lynn, MA
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Gosh I hope Armsmaster doesn't reject her. . . I like them as a couple.
Does this mean we can finally get Taylor killed?
Never mattered.
Well, all we need is to relay the IAE parameters to the TSAB. At which point we'd be informed that the sole remaining royal is a sleeping little girl who has no interest in conquest.
Sting was limited to one object, enhanced and launched by a human sized launcher.
As per the power given out there was no way it was going to hurt Scion even if he stood there and took it in the face, a crossbow bolt just plain was never going to do enough damage even with absolute penetration.
But Sting hooked up to a giant combined Tinkertech weapon coupled to a psychological attack to make him stand there and take it to the face is different.
No such thing. Sting was given out, as per the Scion shards, nerfed in such a way that it couldn't hurt Scion.
Sting was limited to one object, enhanced and launched by a human sized launcher.
As per the power given out there was no way it was going to hurt Scion even if he stood there and took it in the face, a crossbow bolt just plain was never going to do enough damage even with absolute penetration.
But Sting hooked up to a giant combined Tinkertech weapon coupled to a psychological attack to make him stand there and take it to the face is different.
- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
@Silently Watches
A question:
Will we have another chance to figure out the secret of Flare spells?
In Escapades AAR you said we could have figured it out by choosing to fight ABB, and then you never mentioned it again.
I presumed we need a powerful pyrokinetic to notice something about our spells, but Meltdown AAR didn't mention the secret as a possible reward for fighting Behemoth, and our kinda-teaming-up with Solaire in 8.3 bring us no progress on this front too.
A question:
Will we have another chance to figure out the secret of Flare spells?
In Escapades AAR you said we could have figured it out by choosing to fight ABB, and then you never mentioned it again.
I presumed we need a powerful pyrokinetic to notice something about our spells, but Meltdown AAR didn't mention the secret as a possible reward for fighting Behemoth, and our kinda-teaming-up with Solaire in 8.3 bring us no progress on this front too.