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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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̶[̶]̶P̶l̶a̶n̶ ̶S̶k̶y̶ ̶C̶o̶m̶m̶a̶n̶d̶
̶-̶[̶]̶S̶t̶a̶y̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶n̶o̶n̶-̶l̶e̶t̶h̶a̶l̶ ̶u̶n̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶a̶b̶s̶o̶l̶u̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶n̶e̶c̶e̶s̶s̶a̶r̶y̶;̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶'̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶o̶i̶n̶e̶ ̶a̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶.̶

I'd prefer a "Sod it, just nuke it from orbit" option, but @Always Late has pretty good tactical acumen and a really good plan, so let's go with that.

Edit: Updated post later, with the fancy version suggested by @landcollector
 
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If people want to modify Always Late's plan, they should replace the "Go Lethal" line with the "Stay Non-Lethal as much as possible" line rather than add a line that contradicts part of the plan as is. Like so-

[X]Plan Sky Command Restrained Version
-[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
--[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
--[X]Strong Shield at all times.
--[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
--[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.

Edit: A little academic at this point, perhaps, but adding Xs. *shrugs*
 
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...Point.

[X]Plan Sky Command Restrained Version
-[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
--[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
--[X]Strong Shield at all times.
--[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
--[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.
 
[X]Plan Sky Command Restrained Version

Just posting here to ensure the "don't murder people, it's bad for PR" version of actually acting tactically is noted as my vote.
 
Silently Watches said:
It will be because they're monstrous human beings all on their own, and if she needs to kill these monsters, what about the next? The ones after that?
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Well Taylor, you're kind of a soldier now. So a good rule of thumb soldiers have that've served them well: If they don't try to kill you, don't try to kill them. If they try to kill you, put them down.

Easy, no?:V
Commander Downy said:
Yeah, because who in the world pisses off a living WMD? Especially one that has shown to engage top tier parahumans before and win.
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Oh you sweet summer child.:p
LancerisDead said:
I didn't think I needed to? The same spells we've been using through the quest work as well on either mode, the only difference is the outcome.
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Cadejo would like to disagree with that assessment.
Let me re-phrase things: How is going non-lethal going to get MS-13 to leave the city, and keep them from ever coming back?
LancerisDead said:
Choosing to kill seems to be if not a slippery slope, then a rocky road. Call me naive, but I'd rather this Taylor stay closer this side of sanity than her canon self. Let the poor girl retain the humanity for once.
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A soldier can keep their humanity when surrounded by the brutal impersonality of war. It's not easy, but it's possible.
We have a few here on SV who can talk about that.
DschingisKhan said:
For example, can we just light all the mooks on fire all at once? Cook off their ammunition? Lob a Jerry can of petrol at them or torch a car near them? Drop a water tower on them? Smoke them out by cooking the tar out of the asphalt? Go bowling with thug pins and a ball named Solar Wrath?
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To all of the above: No. In order:
1. Our magic doesn't work that way.
2. See #1.
3. Where would you even get a gas can?
3.5. They are inside buildings.
4. See 3.5
5. See 3.5
6. Are you trying to cause collateral damage?
7. That has been directly addressed multiple times. please read at least some of the recent posts.

Thank you for your time, welcome to the quest.
Hate Fish said:
I'd prefer a "Sod it, just nuke it from orbit" option, but @Always Late has pretty good tactical acumen and a really good plan, so let's go with that.
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I am all of the tacticool.:V
Hate Fish said:
Just posting here to ensure the "don't murder people, it's bad for PR" version of actually acting tactically is noted as my vote.
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Editing your earlier post or posting a new version shouldn't make a difference to the tally program, FYI.
 
Racoras said:
@Silently Watches can we get confirmation that there are currently no Winter Hill bodies in sight, at least? It'd be pure bonus if we knew any more details on casualties so far (I know the Warlocks capes were mentioned specifically, how about non-capes?) but less important since its not "protecting lives right this moment".
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There are no casualties in sight at this time. The only casualties you know about are the two Warlock capes, which were announced on the news but without mention of non-cape victims, and the two Maras you just saw get shot.
DschingisKhan said:
I'd actually like to know more about the surroundings and enemy deployment. Because I have the sinking suspicion were once again ignoring what we're good at. Remember: Calamity Witch is artillery. We are made of fire and bombardment spells, so I'd prefer this engagement be treated strategically. Which is to say, decisive action that fundamentally alters the flow of battle is more likely to get my vote.
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This is a row of two-story buildings, mostly some storefronts. No unusual infrastructure or architecture around.
 
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[X]Plan Sky Command Restrained Version

Going lethal when we don't have to might focus Miss Militia attention on us to try to save us. Remember that she was a child soldier. I would prefer not to lose more of her trust after we helped Vista get a new arm without any authorization.
 
[X]Plan Sky Command
-[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
--[X]Go Lethal. MS-13's members, capes or otherwise, won't do anything less to you.
--[X]Strong Shield at all times.
--[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
--[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.
 
Always Late said:
Well Taylor, you're kind of a soldier now. So a good rule of thumb soldiers have that've served them well: If they don't try to kill you, don't try to kill them. If they try to kill you, put them down.

Easy, no?:V
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Looking at the other side of this crossover, Nanoha is a soldier, yet she still prefers non-lethality.

Soldiers shoot to kill their opponents because trying to apprehend or restrain would prove both too difficult and dangerous to their own lives.

If you have the chance to end a conflict through non-lethal means, without it being significantly detrimental to yourself or others, then I see no reason you should kill until it's an absolute necessity.

Though maybe we're disagreeing on what "significantly detrimental" actually entails.
Adhoc vote count started by LancerisDead on Sep 2, 2017 at 10:52 PM, finished with 75 posts and 31 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by LancerisDead on Sep 2, 2017 at 10:53 PM, finished with 75 posts and 31 votes.
  • [X]Plan Sky Command Restrained Version
    -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    -[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
    --[X]Strong Shield at all times.
    --[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
    --[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
    ---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.
    [X]Plan Sky Command
    -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    --[X]Go Lethal. MS-13's members, capes or otherwise, won't do anything less to you.
    --[X]Strong Shield at all times.
    --[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
    --[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
    ---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.
    [X]Plan Sky Command
    -[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
    [X] Front Line – Get in their faces and hit them till they stop moving. You're going to get shot, but that's what your upgraded Barrier Jacket is there for.
    -[X] Lethal force is not your preferred choice, but if you're being pressed particularly hard or innocents are endangered, go for it.
    [X] While your down there use Ice Beam to make them cover for the path their moving in.
    [X] Long Range, get high with high speed movment and send in the Area Search spell to find everyone in that building and check the others for ambush.
    -[X] If the building has nothing but Maras then just Solar Wrath the damn thing from long range and be done with it. If not...
    -[X] Drop down shielded with as many tracking Flare Shooters as possible and take them out the found targets then go up again and send out WAS in a spiral pattern in case of anymore targets.
    [x] Wing Back – You learned your lesson last time: don't get hit. Dodge and shield, keep the heat off your allies, and get a few hits in if possible
    [X]Plan Sky Command
    ----[X] Samantha is our also our spotter. If necessary, Get Winter Hill to call in targets to Samantha, and then she forwards coordinates for AOE strikes to us.
    -----[X] If they hide, Get Winter Hill to wait behind. We then destroy their cover, and Winter Hill and Samantha clean up.
    -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    -[X] Lethal force is not your preferred choice, but if you're being pressed particularly hard or innocents are endangered, go for it.
    [X]Plan Sky Command
    -[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
    --[x] Exception: smoke mr. Turns Into Dogs on sight.
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Adhoc vote count started by LancerisDead on Sep 2, 2017 at 10:55 PM, finished with 75 posts and 31 votes.
  • [X]Plan Sky Command Restrained Version
    -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    -[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
    --[X]Strong Shield at all times.
    --[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
    --[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
    ---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.
    [X]Plan Sky Command
    -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    --[X]Go Lethal. MS-13's members, capes or otherwise, won't do anything less to you.
    --[X]Strong Shield at all times.
    --[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
    --[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
    ---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.
    [X] Front Line – Get in their faces and hit them till they stop moving. You're going to get shot, but that's what your upgraded Barrier Jacket is there for.
    -[X] Lethal force is not your preferred choice, but if you're being pressed particularly hard or innocents are endangered, go for it.
    [X] While your down there use Ice Beam to make them cover for the path their moving in.
    [X] Long Range, get high with high speed movment and send in the Area Search spell to find everyone in that building and check the others for ambush.
    -[X] If the building has nothing but Maras then just Solar Wrath the damn thing from long range and be done with it. If not...
    -[X] Drop down shielded with as many tracking Flare Shooters as possible and take them out the found targets then go up again and send out WAS in a spiral pattern in case of anymore targets.
    [x] Wing Back – You learned your lesson last time: don't get hit. Dodge and shield, keep the heat off your allies, and get a few hits in if possible
    -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    -[X] Lethal force is not your preferred choice, but if you're being pressed particularly hard or innocents are endangered, go for it.
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[X]Plan Sky Command

In my book, "Significantly detrimental" is any additional allies ending up dead or injured than there would be had we gone lethal
 
  1. [X]Plan Sky Command Restrained Version
    -[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
    Number of voters: 14
    Oruzhiye, wingstrike96, Hate Fish, Jetsmillion, Archeo Lumiere, veekie, Demojay, UberJJK,Captain Hunt, cl20, HammerHeart, Lt. Ouroumov, Hawkmoon, LancerisDead
  2. [X]Plan Sky Command
    -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    --[X]Go Lethal. MS-13's members, capes or otherwise, won't do anything less to you.
    --[X]Strong Shield at all times.
    --[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
    --[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
    ---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.
    Number of voters: 8
    Always Late, megrisvernin, Racoras, Jakobstj, Rukia, Sylvire, Scope, Pielikeman
  3. [X]Plan Sky Command Restrained Version
    -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    -[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
    --[X]Strong Shield at all times.
    --[X]Enemy heavy weapons, MPADS, and anti-tank get Rust Shooter priority.
    --[X]Samantha uses WAS to keep a 360 degree picture of the battlefield, any civilian presence, or hazardous/flammable/explody materials
    ---[X]She shares this info with Winter Hill by sticking with them.
    Number of voters: 2
    landcollector, Shaseyu
  4. [X] Front Line – Get in their faces and hit them till they stop moving. You're going to get shot, but that's what your upgraded Barrier Jacket is there for.
    -[X] Lethal force is not your preferred choice, but if you're being pressed particularly hard or innocents are endangered, go for it.
    Number of voters: 1
    steamrick
  5. [X] While your down there use Ice Beam to make them cover for the path their moving in.
    Number of voters: 1
    lancelot
  6. [X] Long Range, get high with high speed movment and send in the Area Search spell to find everyone in that building and check the others for ambush.
    -[X] If the building has nothing but Maras then just Solar Wrath the damn thing from long range and be done with it. If not...
    -[X] Drop down shielded with as many tracking Flare Shooters as possible and take them out the found targets then go up again and send out WAS in a spiral pattern in case of anymore targets.
    Number of voters: 1
    lancelot
  7. [x] Wing Back – You learned your lesson last time: don't get hit. Dodge and shield, keep the heat off your allies, and get a few hits in if possible
    Number of voters: 1
    globalwarmth
  8. [X]Plan Sky Command
    ----[X] Samantha is our also our spotter. If necessary, Get Winter Hill to call in targets to Samantha, and then she forwards coordinates for AOE strikes to us.
    -----[X] If they hide, Get Winter Hill to wait behind. We then destroy their cover, and Winter Hill and Samantha clean up.
    Number of voters: 1
    Commander Downy
  9. -[X] Centerfielder – Stay high in the sky and pick the gang off one by one by one. A shield will be needed unless you want to worry about RPGs again.
    -[X] Lethal force is not your preferred choice, but if you're being pressed particularly hard or innocents are endangered, go for it.
    Number of voters: 1
    BF110C4
  10. [X]Plan Sky Command
    -[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
    Number of voters: 1
    ShadowX
  11. [X]Plan Sky Command
    -[X]Stay on non-lethal unless it's absolutely necessary; you're a heroine after all.
    --[x] Exception: smoke mr. Turns Into Dogs on sight.
    Number of voters: 1
    Mulisa
The tally as of the time of posting. Seems that non-lethal is winning by a significant margin, and the voting has slowed a lot in the last hours.
 
Always Late said:
To all of the above: No.
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Thanks for responding. It doesn't do much to address the crux of the issue though, IMO.
1. Our magic doesn't work that way.
2. See #1.
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It... doesn't? That warehouse went up real good. Gangers aren't made of oil-soaked rags, but you don't need that much fire to cause humans problems. It doesn't even have to be that close to them.
3. Where would you even get a gas can?
3.5. They are inside buildings.
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Unless I missed some other clarification, there's one building and a few cars/dumpsters being used as cover. Is the chapter text obsolete?
6. Are you trying to cause collateral damage?
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Frankly? Yes. If it's between that and blowing a bunch of time taking out the rabble while Cadejo moves as he pleases, a structure fire seems the lesser evil. Or who knows, maybe the people whose back yard we're in could have some ideas. Do we have enough humility to ask, though?
7. That has been directly addressed multiple times. please read at least some of the recent posts.
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I honestly did, but the argument got tiring quick and I didn't see anything particularly relevant to the question "can we just blow them up all at once?" *shrug*
(Rereading the chapter, the answer turns out to be "actually, yeah, but there might be civilians in the building so we'd rather not risk it." If we could get some search motes in to check, it'd be real swell.)
Silently Watches said:
This is a row of two-story buildings, mostly some storefronts. No unusual infrastructure or architecture around.
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Ah, thanks, I think I get what you're going for. Street parking, buildings close to the road, storefronts with second-level living space. That sort of thing?
 
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