Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

And for the shard, They will probably try to find a way to do it anyways and eventually find the connection to the spoiler monster.
The only way for a trigger event to be 'induced' is with the Cauldron vials. Which have to be made from the corpse of Eden.
Which Scion blew up, along with Cauldron and himself.

That's rather non-negotiable information.
 
Rising storm is technically a Logia, but it's not one that would be a threat to the TSAB in general. It's on 'Sold in auctions with special permissions' Level, not on 'Dimension collapser' Level. Second reason is, TSAB would be interested in Storm for a day or two before deciding the political backlash if they take Storm would be too much to handle. They would look like hypocrites letting us use Storm but letting the Heroes use them.
Yeah no, Immortal Assimilation Engine is not something the TSAB would allow the sale of, considering it is of a similar threat level of the Mariage. Seriously, it might not cause dimensional collapse, but it is very very dangerous.
 
But seeing as how its not gone insane, and that it is primarily acting as an Intelligence Device rather than in Logia mode, I don't think they are going to risk pissing off the current wielder, nor the fact that there was invisitext of Perfect Storm backing itself up and locking in Taylor as its primary user.
 
Yeah no, Immortal Assimilation Engine is not something the TSAB would allow the sale of, considering it is of a similar threat level of the Mariage. Seriously, it might not cause dimensional collapse, but it is very very dangerous.
Actuality, it goes beyond Marriage.

The basic troops it produces are equal to the best and greatest of TSAB.
 
The only way for a trigger event to be 'induced' is with the Cauldron vials. Which has to be made from the corpse of Eden.
Which Scion blew up, along with Cauldron and himself.

That's rather non-negotiable information.

I'm saying that they will try to do it but fail. We know that, but the TSAB CIA doesn't. Also, when I said Shards, I mean Storms shards, not Big Walking Spoiler Shards. I remember seeing that she spilt herself to make Tom's device.

What I'm saying here is that the TSAB have to have a black ops organization. Have to, without one, TSAB would have fallen ages ago. If you say that the TSAB don't have one, That is not correct unless you have ultimate authority on that. Here's why.

{Theory Disproved. Revision for omake is going to be made later.}



((Going to make it canon now. Same character but will probably be more realistic to the thread and quest canon because I'm less tired and have a brain now.))

I don't know, sort of just came to me while I was writing this theory/analysis. It's a good idea, but definitely non-canon If some others want me to continue I might do another personal log about when he actually went to Earth Bet, This was pretty much just a way for me to give an idea of what the SABIS would look like.

((I would keep this here, but I'm just going to get rid of it until I get a good reason later to keep it there. This vastly shortened the word count.))

--------The effect Enforcer Command Would have on Taylor/Calamity Witch--------
If we stay on Earth Bet, chances are EC (Enforcer Command) ((because I'm tired of writing it all out)) would really put the pressure on us with everything they have. On EC you have Limiters, Surveillance, Agents following us around everywhere and generally being annoying until we come with them. Eventually, they would just force you to leave at you guessed it; Gunboat Diplomacy, the same way the EC convinced other worlds to hand over their Lost Logias. Because, as someone said before, We and storm are considered a threat to the TSAB and will respond in kind until we join them. I mean, a potential device granter and trainer that could potentially make Mage Armies as powerful as their top tier Ace Mages sounds like a massive threat to their dominance and authority, don't you think? Anyways, chances are that they will not let us stay on Earth Bet due to us being too much of a threat to them, and they will most likely make us leave with the EC Fireteam they sent. Other than that, they might bring some of the stronger parahumans with their permission, but I don't believe (anymore) that they would just take them due to political reasons, unless they have that much of a reason to take them, But they probably won't be that interested when they learn about their true origins, they would be interested in the ((apparently everyone knows about the BWS, so....)) Entity, and they would go on a manhunt for the two.

In conclusion for now until I edit this even more later is this. TSAB is Nice. Just don't push them over the edge. Or have A Lost Logia or Mass-to-Energy weapon anywhere around your general vicinity. Feel free to add your own thoughts, Comments, Flames/burns, ((Plz, help no. but thanks, I guess...)) and questions you have about this theory. if you want we to clear something up, it doesn't make sense at the moment. I mean... I've been awake since what, 9:10 AM and right now it's 5:39 AM of the next day, so it does make sense that I'm a bit queasy and sound illogical at the moment. I really just needed to get this theory out, because I just really felt like it was possible considering events during the show. Sleep now and waking up at around probably 2:30 pm to clear my head. Goodbye.

Yeah no, Immortal Assimilation Engine is not something the TSAB would allow the sale of, considering it is a similar threat level of the Mariage. Seriously, it might not cause dimensional collapse, but it is very very dangerous

True, I do see that as a reason TSAB EC (Enforcer Command) to pester us to join them. Not only that, but expect them to put limiters on us like crazy with us at Magical Kinetic/Device point.

Reason I type massive posts like this is because I seem to make more sense when I type big paragrapths.



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Passerby: Dammit, this guy with his damn theories! :mad:
 
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The only way for a trigger event to be 'induced' is with the Cauldron vials. Which have to be made from the corpse of Eden.
Which Scion blew up, along with Cauldron and himself.

That's rather non-negotiable information.
Huh? I seem to remember differently in the webnovel. Allfather's grandkid had to trigger to fight Jack Slash, and when Hookwolf and Purity were gathering information from people who'd been in on said attempts before they were told not that inducing triggering was impossible; but that it was very, very, very rarely successful. Or am I remembering wrong again? Been a while since I've read the original.
 
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Hm... this is the system which you've said is facing massive pressure to be incredibly fascistic in regards to the quarantine zones, and in canon did a total railroading of Canary to make a point with other Masters.

I think I know what you're getting at:
Saint turns state evidence, sells out his girlfriend and Russian buddy, but gets kept on so the government can have more control over Dragon for even more surveillance, manipulation, and villain-fighting capability.

And we get to glare at him from outside his cushy penthouse, thinking very hard whether or not to make the choice another Taylor Hebert in another universe made even earlier.

Tell me Silently Watches, how close am I?



… …

…If we were playing "Hot or Cold", you'd be in Antarctica.

Damn. While I find @Always Late's idea to be the realistic option, if the QM wants to give us a pass on the government ignoring justice for power then... I gladly accept! (I think @Silently Watches is an optimist. I think she's/he's wrong on how they would react, {realistically, not how they would have the government react in their own story obviously} but as a pragmatist, I see no point in arguing it! Instead I'll simply abuse that optimism until the cows come home!) :D
 
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Huh? I seem to remember differently in the webnovel. Allfather's grandkid had to trigger to fight Jack Slash, and when Hookwolf and Purity were gathering information from people who'd been in on said attempts before they were told not that inducing triggering was impossible; but that it was very, very, very rarely successful. Or am I remembering wrong again? Been a while since I've read the original.
You can force triggers, but trying, even if you don't tell the test-subject makes it less likely, iirc.
I'm pretty sure Gesellschaft had middling success trying to force triggers, even if it resulted in broken people like Night and Fog (Still peeved at their names being English, especially since they're fro Germany).
 
@Commander Downy, just… stop.

No.

The TSAB does not have a special super-secret black ops unit for dealing with Lost Logia. They don't need one. That's what they have the Enforcers and the Dimensional Navy for. They aren't subtle with this.

The TSAB is many things in canon, fitting since they're a unified multi-world government, but one of their hats is the equivalent of the International Atomic Energy Agency in a post-nuclear-world-war society. They have a history that records not one, not two, but three different eras ending in mass extinction because of Lost Logia going out of control (Al-Hazard, presumably) or being used for warfare (the Warring Era and the Saint King Unification War). When the most powerful remaining worlds came together to form the TSAB following the end of the SKUW, they decided "Enough, no more, we're done with this".

Lost Logia are dangerous. Can they be analyzed or used safely under careful conditions? Some of them, certainly. Maybe even all of them under extremely stringent conditions that no one knows how to set up yet but might in the future. That is why Lost Logia are sealed and stored rather than destroyed, the hope that one day, they can be used for the betterment of mankind. But the TSAB decided that to use them for war was forbidden, particularly if they were the kind that were capable of creating dimensional disturbances or causing multidimensional extinctions or otherwise putting trillions of lives at risk.

If they catch wind of such a Lost Logia existing, they send in an Enforcer to investigate and take care of it if it's causing a problem. That's why Chrono was after the Jewel Seeds; it's why Teana was after the Mariage. If an Enforcer is enough to handle the problem without disrupting the lives of the general populace, great. If the Lost Logia in question has been tamed by a friendly nine-year-old or become devoted to a teenager who wants to make her world a better place or been neutralized as a threat in some other way without intervention, wonderful. If not? Well, Presea found out what happens next. They don't send in a covert strike team to assassinate people in the dead of night. They don't prop up revolutionaries or incite internal strife. They don't have the time or patience for that.

They just send in the warships.

The TSAB has a self-given mandate to stop Lost Logia from causing destruction, and as THE superpower in the Dimensional Sea, they have the power to fulfill that mandate. And they sure as hell will. If you don't like it, tough. They are the UN with teeth. You don't have the military might to stand in their way, and so far no minor government has been stupid enough to try.

And for the other stuff about picking up possible threats and mindwiping them if they don't pan out and all the other jazz. Those are paranoid ramblings without any basis in canon. I was ignoring them at first, but they're getting too long and too frustrating to read. Stop unless you can back them up with facts.
 
You don't have the military might to stand in their way, and so far no minor government has been stupid enough to try.

Which is why we want to stay on their good side. Also, the PTR and Dragon's good side. Because if they ever try to arrest us, we want to convince Earth Bet that they are wrong, because we're Heroes. Normally TSAB would send in the military. Except, Earth Bet has capes.

I should note that I do not like the TSAB from a policy perspective. Their handling of Lost Logia is actually understandable, but everything else is dodgy to me. With that said, most* of the actual front line people seem both nice and reasonably competent.

I'm relatively upbeat about not immediately breaking into hostilities with them when they learn about what exactly Perfect Storm is.

*The Admiral from season 2 comes to mind. Even then he was just an extremist who was willing to sacrifice a single (innocent) life to seal a Lost Logia that's known to kill many people.
 
What is perfect storm? I've never actually seen Nanoha so I don't know if it's a perfectly normal thing to give random people mage-powers or not.
 
What is perfect storm? I've never actually seen Nanoha so I don't know if it's a perfectly normal thing to give random people mage-powers or not.

No, it isn't normal. Nanoha is outright stated to be both a magical prodigy and a freak of nature for having so high magic reserves.

Perfect Storm, or the Immortal Assimilation Engine is a device primarily designed to turn captured enemy soldiers into brainwashed supersoldiers fighting for it's wielder.* It also turns its owner into a supersoldier. If it isn't passed down correctly and it's previous wielder is killed it will actually attempt restore her over whoever is currently wielding it.

This is why @Silently Watches has said that us dying isn't the end of the quest, but bad things will happen. Because Perfect Storm will turn some innocent into Taylor, or at least their mind if not their body.

Some time in the past, the ruler that held the Engine was deposed. Since the engine kept trying to revive her it was locked away. Taylor was extremely lucky that the Engine had memory issues, since otherwise she would have been overwritten by the previous owner.

I should also note that with a proper industrial base it doesn't take Storm weeks in between converting people. It can probably do multiple people a day at full capacity. These supersoldiers are, with very little time, comparable to the elite of the elite in the TSAB. Imagine pumping out multiple people as strong as Taylor every day. It's that kind of insane.

* This is what Tim actually is. He can't actually disobey Taylor, and subconsciously tries to further her agenda.

And that's why Perfect Storm is terrifying.

Edit: Tim can't disobey Taylor. Added missing word.
 
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What is perfect storm? I've never actually seen Nanoha so I don't know if it's a perfectly normal thing to give random people mage-powers or not.
It's not normal, but then again the random people already have potential for being mages without a Perfect Storm intrusion. Infinite Assimilation Engine is literally an army maker, it makes S+ ranked mages.
 
No, it isn't normal. Nanoha is outright stated to be both a magical prodigy and a freak of nature for having so high magic reserves.

Perfect Storm, or the Immortal Assimilation Engine is a device primarily designed to turn captured enemy soldiers into brainwashed supersoldiers fighting for it's wielder.* It also turns its owner into a supersoldier. If it isn't passed down correctly and it's previous wielder is killed it will actually attempt restore her over whoever is currently wielding it.

This is why @Silently Watches has said that us dying isn't the end of the quest, but bad things will happen. Because Perfect Storm will turn some innocent into Taylor, or at least their mind if not their body.

Some time in the past, the ruler that held the Engine was deposed. Since the engine kept trying to revive her it was locked away. Taylor was extremely lucky that the Engine had memory issues, since otherwise she would have been overwritten by the previous owner.

I should also note that with a proper industrial base it doesn't take Storm weeks in between converting people. It can probably do multiple people a day at full capacity. These supersoldiers are, with very little time, comparable to the elite of the elite in the TSAB. Imagine pumping out multiple people as strong as Taylor every day. It's that kind of insane.

* This is what Tim actually is. He can't actually Taylor, and subconsciously tries to further her agenda.

And that's why Perfect Storm is terrifying.
Damn... Suddenly Perfect Storm's true name makes sense.

Thanks.
 
What is perfect storm? I've never actually seen Nanoha so I don't know if it's a perfectly normal thing to give random people mage-powers or not.
Strictly speaking, Storm does not give mage-powers to random people.
He can transform a person who already have a special magical organ called Linker Core, doesn't matter how weak, into very powerful mage.
But if you don't have it at all, Storm can't do anything for you.
Only about 5% of Earth population have Linker Cores.

Now, technology of growing someone's Linker Core strength is, apparently, unique.
TSAB science is capable to create clones with very powerful Linker Cores, but that's all.
 
The TSAB has a self-given mandate to stop Lost Logia from causing destruction, and as THE superpower in the Dimensional Sea, they have the power to fulfill that mandate. And they sure as hell will. If you don't like it, tough. They are the UN with teeth. You don't have the military might to stand in their way, and so far no minor government has been stupid enough to try.
It really puts the Arc-en-ciel into context. A space-time shear weapon is Enuff Dakka against just about anything...including Wormverse invulnerability effects, which we know from Worm canon that space-time shears trump invulnerabilities.

The FLEET of Arc-en-ciel equipped warships deployed against the Saint's Cradle...well the Cradle is technically fixed emplacement considering it's main weapon is location locked.
 
Strictly speaking, Storm does not give mage-powers to random people.
He can transform a person who already have a special magical organ called Linker Core, doesn't matter how weak, into very powerful mage.
But if you don't have it at all, Storm can't do anything for you.
Only about 5% of Earth population have Linker Cores.

Now, technology of growing someone's Linker Core strength is, apparently, unique.
TSAB science is capable to create clones with very powerful Linker Cores, but that's all.

So on Earth, Taylor could only brainwash 1 person in 20 easily. Honestly, aside from the constraints of us expanding our pool of mages it doesn't matter too much strategically if it was 5% or 100%. The IAE was designed to work against enemies, and since the enemies were mages...

Side note, that's why it sucked for Taylor so much when she had to provide the Mana to create Tim's device. The emergency mode is meant to chuck a captured prisoner in and drain them dry. If anything discomfort was a feature, not a bug.
 
So... The IAE brainwashes people into furthering Taylor's goals. Huh... Cool.

Also I'm really digging the name, it reminds me of Exalt's silly, grandiose names. It's hard to pick out the ones from different universes:

Warden of Reflected Infinities, Immortal Assimilation Engine, Elegant Nova of Progression, Foghorn of Progression

Alchemical Solutions (Exalted Alchemical also if you don't recognize this name go read it it's great)
Nanoha obviously
Keychain of Creation (Exalted alchemical)
Culture-esque ship name from here

He can't actually Taylor, and subconsciously tries to further her agenda.

also what does "he can't actually Taylor" mean? It made sense on my first read-through but then it stopped making sense.
 
also what does "he can't actually Taylor" mean? It made sense on my first read-through but then it stopped making sense.
I think he meant Meat-puppeting Taylor or outright overwriting her personality was a no-go.Additionally, it's not perfect. Danny did just have an argument from Taylor, and his mind is his own. It's more Samantha who's getting the unconscious commands to 'do what the Dread Queen says'.
 



2nd Sergeant/Sailing Force
Larlo Hessian ((not my real name by the way))
Career: First Registration at 26 years old. Compleated Standard and Advanced Training Courses. Technological Department.
Registered Domicile: Non-Administered World 97.
Present Address: Mid-Childa Northwest Front, FGH-TFJ-177-241-LUNA Member Dormitory.
Qualification: Mid-Childan Magic System Standard.
Device: Standard Device MK-6, Codename 'M2 Browning Pinball'.
Present Belonging: SABIS Systems and Information.


Personal Log, New Calander 0081, 6th Month, 23rd day, Taken as a record of 0076, 4th Month, 12th Day.
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Those damn G-Men would anonymously work closely with us at the Infinity Library Archives and Inspection Department, and sometimes with General Affairs if they are hunting certain personnel. And, Of course, due to their very close relationship, would be secret partners with Enforcer Command, Providing them with secret information... Ah, generously offered by certain individuals by Thought Investigations. While Enforcer Command is the main TSAB special forces and law enforcement division, like a love child of the FBI and Navy Seals, SABIS would be the messed up child of Delta Force and the CIA. While Enforcers focus on Law Enforcement and Lost Logia hunting, the SABIS were created after the conclusion of the Jail Incident and focuses more on espionage and infiltration of non-administered worlds. I would say Enforcer Command to be more like the pinnacles of working with the TSAB, the thing people inspire to be, While I would see SABIS being more of the Organization the loyal ones go to, and being the Job nobody wants to get due to potential moral reasons. Nobody knows their real names, they go by call signs, and generally government spooks. Many have questioned their real purpose, and are even suspicious of them being too militarized for the TSAB, but according to the higher ups, recent events have proven the need for such an organization.' Always under cover and on-duty, No one knows their true locations most of the time, and when they do, they are told to keep quiet by the higher ups and the powers that be.

However, there are conspiracy theories made by loonies that say that they were created before the Jail incident, in secret, to keep rebellious non-administered worlds or generally dangerous worlds in check, but most, including me, don't believe them. One example one of them made was the Oruseic Civil war is, in fact, being closely watched by the SABIS, and every time they find a mage they pluck him out. It's one of the more reasonable examples, but then he goes on saying that they started the war in the first place. Well, that's parts diffidently not true though. How do I know that? Heh, What if I told you they came to me saying that I overheard something in their conversation and wanted me to come with them? Well, that's what happened. Before I knew, I was strapped up in an Interrogation room, being questioned on what I knew. I faked ignorance, and they saw right through me. After that, they brought their Thought Investigations guy in. He revealed what I knew, and they let me off. A couple weeks later I was confronted by them and they asked me what I could do. I showed them my records and they said, "No, Show us what you can do physically, right now."

Under normal procedures, this would be unorthodox. I normally would show them my records and past operational history and the division would either take him in or ask for another addition, or of course, The brass could just attach mages to certain groups. This, however, was a completely new experience and method to me, and if you asked me then, a bit cliched at the time. After spending brief moments of confusion, I asked them if they were asking me to do it right here, right now, but they disproved that and we moved to an undisclosed location. I then first showed them my basic spells, then my advanced spells, but I was sure I wasn't going to impress them since I was a lowly B rank, and as much as that is impressive among the common mage unit, It's not that impressive with these guys. After utterly failing to impress them at all, well I thought at that time, they took me to a Computer. That's right, a standard Non-magical computer. At first, I was confused, Shouldn't I be being tested on device handling and the likes? But then, it clicked. I was from a Non-Administered World, These guys specialize in that, so It makes sense I would be being tested in this. But I thought, a Computer though? I passed the training course, above it, actually. Before I joined this job, more like forced, actully, I was taken in due to being impressive, even for the DAB, at my previous career path I was an IT Guy. Just a Run-of-the-Mill IT Contractor. Apparently, the DAB thought otherwise and took me under their wing after saving my life. The reason I was forced to is that I owed them, And I wasn't getting any thing done back home worthy of note, My family was virtually nonexistent, so I left. Well, not only that, but they do Pay a hefty amount.... Well, anyways, I knew that most Non-Administered worlds are former Belken worlds that are still flinging around swords and arrows, so the worlds I knew had computers on them were my own, Non-Admin 97 and yes, that's right, apparently I got lucky enough to be the guy from the same planet as the grand aces are, and the number of questions I get asking me If I know them personally is overwhelming. But anyways, I know other planets like Non-Admin 132, Non-Admin 45, And Non-Admin 63 have computers As well, So I thought I would be going to one of those planets. Well, if I got in anyways. I actually thought I would be able to get back to my earth, But I would soon learn how close but how wrong I was at the end. I didn't actually touch down though, more like provided support from one and a half inch to the left of reality in Dimensional Space.



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Passerby: Dammit, this guy with his damn theories! :mad:
To you, I say this:
You are a magnificent nutjob, and I mean it in a non-negative way.
Also, Why the fuuuuu... are you hiding an omake behind two spoilers amidst two walls of text?
We get skill points from them! Usually. If Silently isn't ticked off.

Even if you don't want to bother figuring out what you want, please type in one of the following sentences:
Code:
Point to Integration, please.
Point to Energy Weapons, please.
Point to Subdermal Voltaic Lattice, please.

Point to Exotic Physics, please.
Point to Unison Devices, please.

Point to Anti-Magilink Field, please.
Point to Dimensional Transfer, please.
Point to Bind Mine, please.

@Commander Downy, just… stop.

No.

The TSAB does not have a special super-secret black ops unit for dealing with Lost Logia. They don't need one. That's what they have the Enforcers and the Dimensional Navy for. They aren't subtle with this.
@Silently Watches ... Please consider giving that magnificent nutjob a point.
 
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To you, I say this:
You are a magnificent nutjob, and I mean it in a non-negative way.
Also, Why the fuuuuu... are you hiding an omake behind two spoilers amidst two walls of text?
We get skill points from them! Usually. If Silently isn't ticked off.

Even if you don't want to bother figuring out what you want, please type in one of the following sentences:
Code:
Point to Integration, please.
Point to Energy Weapons, please.
Point to Subdermal Voltaic Lattice, please.
 
Point to Exotic Physics, please.
Point to Unison Devices, please.
 
Point to Anti-Magilink Field, please.
Point to Dimensional Transfer, please.
Point to Bind Mine, please.

@Silently Watches ... Please consider giving that magnificent nutjob a point.


Very Interesting. That does explain the conjunction with Investigations. I apologize. Just trying to add a bit of politics to this... And apparently the UFoP/UN expy don't need it. This is way above my paygrade.....and I don't have one.....I should remember that the TSAB is an inuniverse example of an end game nation or using an example from Stellaris, an Interdimensional Fallen Empire in powerlevel, and due to the lack of canonical lack of other such organizations, (until later, probably, if the shows still even going on anyways.) they would be uncontested. It's like giving a nation the chance to grow up on their own for 75 years, not to mention the headstart they would get from being descended from a previous Empire. It does make sense that they wouldn't need such a secret force, the protection given to member worlds would be enough to convince them in joining in the first place.... Something that most already knew.... The TSAB is more like a police force though, rather than a military, they are, say, Coast Guard. It's been debated before, that while they are heavily trained, and can be used in combat, but they mostly focus on their prime directives of Policing, Patrol and Logia Containment, And due to them being descended from an empire and they really don't want to go down that path, they focus on more of a Star Fleet security force that is no means a military, but can be used as such.

With the whole mindwiping thing, I thought it would be a subability of Verossa Acous's ability to read 'memories'. The power has only been demonstrated once, but like many other rare skills and regular spells, I'd imagine that there would be 'upgrades' for it, for example, the ability to manipulate 'memories' as well. And it has been enough time, perhaps he's done something with that ability to make it do so now.
 
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