I've always considered that somewhat questionable, really. Are we ever told exactly how Teacher managed that feat, considering Ascalon was meant to be a permakill on Dragon? Richter's own words:
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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RoninSword
Sky God
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- Canada
Very well thought out arguments.
And now we wait for QM decision.
And now we wait for QM decision.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
1. To an AI, being 'off' is death.
2. If Teacher gave Saint the ability to understand Dragon's code, he can re-grant that power to other thralls.
3. That would also explain why he got Dragon up A-OK, while Armsmaster's work left lots of stuff broken and offline.
I suppose, should the worst happen, we'll just have to see, because I don't believe it will be as easy as you think if Dragon gets Ascalon'd at some point.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
I know. There's plenty of ways the QM can still make stuff difficult, even if the best-case scenario happens.
I'm surprised you made your Interlude 26 quote so short. The full version:
makes it quite clear that Ascalon took a surprisingly long while to work.Interlude 26 said:
- Location
- Buffalo, NY, USA
Bit you quoted looks like under a minute to me.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
OK, how about this then:
Unless we want to argue over subjective interpretations of time, we all get something more concrete to back our claims up.
- Location
- Kansas
Here is a question I think needs to be considered in the "Let's Hack Saint" argument. What makes any of you think that Saint and the rest of the Dragon Slayers will have any open wireless connections for Perfect Storm to hack into?
While it is true that the Dragon Slayers have the cheat codes for fighting Dragon, they wouldn't have gotten to where they are today if they had left an open wireless access point on their suits while fighting an AI. In fact I would not be surprised if the only externally accessible system in the Dragon Slayers' suits is an isolated system they use for communication. All hacking that would do would be to mess up their communication and I bet even that is kept to a minimum while fighting Dragon.
While it is true that the Dragon Slayers have the cheat codes for fighting Dragon, they wouldn't have gotten to where they are today if they had left an open wireless access point on their suits while fighting an AI. In fact I would not be surprised if the only externally accessible system in the Dragon Slayers' suits is an isolated system they use for communication. All hacking that would do would be to mess up their communication and I bet even that is kept to a minimum while fighting Dragon.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Saint relies on programs that cripple Dragon when fighting her and stealing his suits. Not just 'no backups/communication', but outright crippling her. Thus, he has to transmit them from somewhere.
- Location
- Kansas
So he has single emitters attached to the suit, but nothing that reads incoming singles.
Real world computer communications don't work that way. Look up handshakes. The receiving computer won't establish the connection without a handshake.
Most modern printers require that too, although some serial printers would just take output blindly. Although most modern thermal receipt printers like what is used in Walgreens registers can do that.
That said, there is no reason that the anti-dragon equipment can't be completely isolated from all other suit systems.
As for hacking the suits, I just looked up the section where Taylor asked Prefect Storm to hack the PRT and Prefect Storm said it would take a bit of time and be noticeable. In the mean time, the dragonslayers would no doubt try to focus fire on Taylor, who is in no condition to evade. Plus, her strong shield would probably take a hit in mastery level because Taylor would have to cast it herself as Prefect Storm would be using all processing power to try to hack the suits.
Most modern printers require that too, although some serial printers would just take output blindly. Although most modern thermal receipt printers like what is used in Walgreens registers can do that.
That said, there is no reason that the anti-dragon equipment can't be completely isolated from all other suit systems.
As for hacking the suits, I just looked up the section where Taylor asked Prefect Storm to hack the PRT and Prefect Storm said it would take a bit of time and be noticeable. In the mean time, the dragonslayers would no doubt try to focus fire on Taylor, who is in no condition to evade. Plus, her strong shield would probably take a hit in mastery level because Taylor would have to cast it herself as Prefect Storm would be using all processing power to try to hack the suits.
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could we have sam play tag with the dragonslayers while we hide underwater and hack them?
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
... that quote has going stealthy being the thing that takes time. Storm can brute-force things just fine, as shown in giving the live-feed to Legend.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
I'm going to ignore the above discussion of what might or might not happen if you hacked the Dragonslayers because—
[X]plan Reaper Of Steel.
[X] Run – Have Samantha teleport Tim and teleport back, as far as she can without increasing the delay between teleports.
-[X]Make sure Sam has her bone sword with her.
[X] Defend – Engage in defensive and stalling manuvers and primarily covering the Sybaris while Samantha is away. Prioritize shooting down missiles with Rust Shooter, though attack directly the suits if the opportunity presents.
-[X]Set WAS for C&C.
--[X]Use Cartridges to up the number of bullets in the air.
[X] Fight – Once Samantha shows up take a more offensive stance. If Perfect Storm or Dragon can prove that the suits are unmanned switch all attacks to lethal.
-[X]In case the suits are piloted have Sam rip them and apprehend the pilots.
No. of Votes: 17
[X] plan Putting Strider Out of Business
-[x] Run – Tim's squishy, and you don't want to lose the items you have managed to collect. Teleport them to safety; that's the whole point of the voyage.
--[x] Ask Dragon if there is anyone anywhere she can contact for backup. Maybe Narwhal or something? Have her give you their coordinates, then teleport them in to help.
--[x] Try to keep in contact with Dragon after teleporting out, and continue to grab people on her list.
--[x] Be ready to teleport them back home.
--[x] Sam can help Dragon play interference until the backup arrives.
No. of Votes: 5
[X] Plan: Retreat and Re-Deploy (Readable Re-Take)
-[X] Evacuate Tim, Dragon and the salvaged items via Spatial Translocation.
--[X] Ask Dragon for her preferred coordinates, if she can't or won't answer teleport back to Privateers' HQ
-[X] Have Samantha stay behind to protect the ship and crew (while prioritizing her own survival over theirs).
-[X] Have Perfect Storm call Legend. Tell him that the Dragonslayers are attacking Dragon right now and ask him whether he wants to join the fun. We're teleporting around anyway, picking him up wouldn't be much of a diversion.
-[X] Stay in telepathic contact with Samantha.
-[X] If Legend declines, ask Dragon whether she knows knows people she can call on as backup on short notice, use Spatial Translocation to collect them.
-[X] Return to Samantha once you have assembled reinforcements or if she requires help, whichever comes first.
-[X] Should you have to fight, coordinate with Samantha so that you can use Spatial Translocation to pop in, fire and then immediately pop out.
-[X]Ask Perfect Storm to scramble their sensors, communications and/or computers while in range.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Plan Attack... Run Away!
-[X] Mass wave of Homing Rust Shooters. Fired to herd the DragonSlayers together.
--[X] Spend 5 cartridges to boost number of Rust Shooters.
-[X] Solar Wrath (non-lethal) at the clustered DragonSlayers.
--[X] Have PS attempt to hack the Dragonslayer's suits while we launch our attacks.
-[X] If any DragonSlayers remain airborne, and they aren't retreating, ask Dragon who to get for backup and Spatial Translation Yourself, Tim, and anything recovered back to base. Have Sam stay and help Dragon.
--[X] Call the PRT/Dragon's selections for backup, and Spatial Translocation the Backup to Dragon.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Plan Tank
-[X] Defend – You have Knight Armor now, and all your defenses are stronger for it. Bunker down where you are and outlast the attack.
--[X] Cast Strong Shield on yourself, Tim, Dragon and Samantha.
--[X] Use Wide Area Search to get coverage in your blind spots and to get a bead on the Dragon Slayers.
-[X] Fight – The Dragonslayers have made their name beating up Dragon and taking her stuff, but this time she isn't alone. Take them down hard.
--[X] Homing Rust Shooters with the non-lethal settings disabled. Use a Cartridge to increase the number of projectiles you can shoot.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Plan take our ball and leave
-[x] Run – Tim's squishy, and you don't want to lose the items you have managed to collect. Teleport them to safety; that's the whole point of the voyage.
--[x] Work with Sam to teleport everyone away to safety along with Dragon's suit and the loot
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Spam rust attacks and let Saint figure out how to swim home.
No. of Votes: 1
[x] Run – Tim's squishy, and you don't want to lose the items you have managed to collect. Teleport them to safety; that's the whole point of the voyage.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Hack the ever loving crap out of Saint.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] FIGHT!
-[X] Have Sam Run Evac using teleports to shore or an island, just some other safe place, once that's done she switches to defending the physical ship and any of the control systems for th mini-sub that couldn't be transported to safety.
--[X] Taylor's job is to blow all Dragon-slayers and their hardware out of the sky, Temporal sludge followed by blast radius enabled rust shooters, lethal setting, cartridges as needed.
---[X] in parallel have our devices signal for aid, call in the protectorate.
No. of Votes: 1
[x] Fight:
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 33
—hacking the Dragonslayers didn't win. Makes things a whole lot easier on me.
[X]plan Reaper Of Steel.
[X] Run – Have Samantha teleport Tim and teleport back, as far as she can without increasing the delay between teleports.
-[X]Make sure Sam has her bone sword with her.
[X] Defend – Engage in defensive and stalling manuvers and primarily covering the Sybaris while Samantha is away. Prioritize shooting down missiles with Rust Shooter, though attack directly the suits if the opportunity presents.
-[X]Set WAS for C&C.
--[X]Use Cartridges to up the number of bullets in the air.
[X] Fight – Once Samantha shows up take a more offensive stance. If Perfect Storm or Dragon can prove that the suits are unmanned switch all attacks to lethal.
-[X]In case the suits are piloted have Sam rip them and apprehend the pilots.
No. of Votes: 17
Plan: ◈Reaper Of Steel.
Alayn
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8639056"]Always Late
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640599[/URL]"]cl20
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640665[/URL]"]Drak4806
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8648075[/URL]"]Faraway-R
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8643300[/URL]"]Jakobstj
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8639346[/URL]"]KInruush
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8639192[/URL]"]LancerisDead
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8642465[/URL]"]landcollector
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8643162[/URL]"]MrLZRS
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8648024[/URL]"]Mulisa
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8639280[/URL]"]ReaperofInterest
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640632[/URL]"]steamrick
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640937[/URL]"]Sylvire
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8646265[/URL]"]UberJJK
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640291[/URL]"]veekie
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35674930[/URL]"]Sitxar[/url]
Alayn
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8639056"]Always Late
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640599[/URL]"]cl20
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640665[/URL]"]Drak4806
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8648075[/URL]"]Faraway-R
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8643300[/URL]"]Jakobstj
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8639346[/URL]"]KInruush
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8639192[/URL]"]LancerisDead
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8642465[/URL]"]landcollector
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8643162[/URL]"]MrLZRS
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8648024[/URL]"]Mulisa
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8639280[/URL]"]ReaperofInterest
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640632[/URL]"]steamrick
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640937[/URL]"]Sylvire
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8646265[/URL]"]UberJJK
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/8640291[/URL]"]veekie
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35674930[/URL]"]Sitxar[/url]
[X] plan Putting Strider Out of Business
-[x] Run – Tim's squishy, and you don't want to lose the items you have managed to collect. Teleport them to safety; that's the whole point of the voyage.
--[x] Ask Dragon if there is anyone anywhere she can contact for backup. Maybe Narwhal or something? Have her give you their coordinates, then teleport them in to help.
--[x] Try to keep in contact with Dragon after teleporting out, and continue to grab people on her list.
--[x] Be ready to teleport them back home.
--[x] Sam can help Dragon play interference until the backup arrives.
No. of Votes: 5
Plan: ◈Putting Strider Out of Business
Bombastus
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35656906"]Condor12
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35699932[/URL]"]ej190
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35666134[/URL]"]Pielikeman
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35696971[/URL]"]SirKaid[/url]
Bombastus
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35656906"]Condor12
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35699932[/URL]"]ej190
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35666134[/URL]"]Pielikeman
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35696971[/URL]"]SirKaid[/url]
[X] Plan: Retreat and Re-Deploy (Readable Re-Take)
-[X] Evacuate Tim, Dragon and the salvaged items via Spatial Translocation.
--[X] Ask Dragon for her preferred coordinates, if she can't or won't answer teleport back to Privateers' HQ
-[X] Have Samantha stay behind to protect the ship and crew (while prioritizing her own survival over theirs).
-[X] Have Perfect Storm call Legend. Tell him that the Dragonslayers are attacking Dragon right now and ask him whether he wants to join the fun. We're teleporting around anyway, picking him up wouldn't be much of a diversion.
-[X] Stay in telepathic contact with Samantha.
-[X] If Legend declines, ask Dragon whether she knows knows people she can call on as backup on short notice, use Spatial Translocation to collect them.
-[X] Return to Samantha once you have assembled reinforcements or if she requires help, whichever comes first.
-[X] Should you have to fight, coordinate with Samantha so that you can use Spatial Translocation to pop in, fire and then immediately pop out.
-[X]Ask Perfect Storm to scramble their sensors, communications and/or computers while in range.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Plan Attack... Run Away!
-[X] Mass wave of Homing Rust Shooters. Fired to herd the DragonSlayers together.
--[X] Spend 5 cartridges to boost number of Rust Shooters.
-[X] Solar Wrath (non-lethal) at the clustered DragonSlayers.
--[X] Have PS attempt to hack the Dragonslayer's suits while we launch our attacks.
-[X] If any DragonSlayers remain airborne, and they aren't retreating, ask Dragon who to get for backup and Spatial Translation Yourself, Tim, and anything recovered back to base. Have Sam stay and help Dragon.
--[X] Call the PRT/Dragon's selections for backup, and Spatial Translocation the Backup to Dragon.
No. of Votes: 2
Plan: ◈Attack... Run Away!
edale
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35663152"]Mannfred Von Carstein[/url]
edale
https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/35663152"]Mannfred Von Carstein[/url]
[X] Plan Tank
-[X] Defend – You have Knight Armor now, and all your defenses are stronger for it. Bunker down where you are and outlast the attack.
--[X] Cast Strong Shield on yourself, Tim, Dragon and Samantha.
--[X] Use Wide Area Search to get coverage in your blind spots and to get a bead on the Dragon Slayers.
-[X] Fight – The Dragonslayers have made their name beating up Dragon and taking her stuff, but this time she isn't alone. Take them down hard.
--[X] Homing Rust Shooters with the non-lethal settings disabled. Use a Cartridge to increase the number of projectiles you can shoot.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Plan take our ball and leave
-[x] Run – Tim's squishy, and you don't want to lose the items you have managed to collect. Teleport them to safety; that's the whole point of the voyage.
--[x] Work with Sam to teleport everyone away to safety along with Dragon's suit and the loot
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Spam rust attacks and let Saint figure out how to swim home.
No. of Votes: 1
[x] Run – Tim's squishy, and you don't want to lose the items you have managed to collect. Teleport them to safety; that's the whole point of the voyage.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Hack the ever loving crap out of Saint.
No. of Votes: 1
[X] FIGHT!
-[X] Have Sam Run Evac using teleports to shore or an island, just some other safe place, once that's done she switches to defending the physical ship and any of the control systems for th mini-sub that couldn't be transported to safety.
--[X] Taylor's job is to blow all Dragon-slayers and their hardware out of the sky, Temporal sludge followed by blast radius enabled rust shooters, lethal setting, cartridges as needed.
---[X] in parallel have our devices signal for aid, call in the protectorate.
No. of Votes: 1
[x] Fight:
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 33
—hacking the Dragonslayers didn't win. Makes things a whole lot easier on me.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
I was wondering if we could get tags in the skill tree as to what spells are Simple (cast without prompting) and Advanced (needs a write-in to be used) on the skill page, @Silently Watches.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
Honestly, I'm feeling lazy and really don't want to. It should be obvious from reading which spells are your bread-and-butter.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
You've got a playerbase with chronic allergies to searchbars and view WOG/FAQs as suggestions. Are you really sure our intelligence is that high?
- Location
- Buffalo, NY, USA
Ah, so plan "no way in hell will Sam agree" won...
That is a valid way for PS to determine if they're unmanned or not.
I'd argue that this part of the winning vote can be used as a reason for PS to try and hack the power suits.
That is a valid way for PS to determine if they're unmanned or not.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
It looks like Faraway-R's latest two omakes were acceptable! I like the looks of Bind Mine, it looks pretty useful. I have to say, does it look to anyone else like Tim's spells are tailored to help him escape combat? I mean, Ring Bind locks people in place, Bind Mine presumably prevents their victims from moving, flight allows him to run away, Recursion field potentially gets him away from a pursuer, Guardian Beast provides a protector...Tim really doesn't look like he's meant for combat at all.
- Location
- Sweden
It's almost like the description of his template says he isn't meant for the battlefield in any way
.
Slightly unintuitive unless you know your MGLN
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
Huh. Looks like Silently rolled a 9 and a 4. I have to say, I really hope the 9 is for us or Sam, and the 4 is for the Dragonslayers. Goodness knows our luck hasn't been the best lately.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
*Sees dice roll*
Well, I'd say that looks good if it's ours but since I really have no clue about dice rolling would mind somemone telling me if we're screwed?
Also, if we get another Rocket-to-the-Face situation I'm blaming it on Taylor's F-Rank Luck.
Well, I'd say that looks good if it's ours but since I really have no clue about dice rolling would mind somemone telling me if we're screwed?
Also, if we get another Rocket-to-the-Face situation I'm blaming it on Taylor's F-Rank Luck.
I'm not sure how I was supposed to formally vote, since I notice my name was not on the below. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong so I know how to be counted next time?