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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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Always Late said:
an extended metaphor about the Adeptus Mechanicus is a librarian trying to rebuild:
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Mechanicus. The cargo cult that actually works. I feel strange mix of fascination and disgust towards them and Imperium at all. They survive in horrible situation and stubbornly refuse to die like their ancestors. But their methods... Ugh. Ugh, that somehow works.

Always Late said:
That's WhiteEyes' story. Not to knock on that damn awesome work, but that might not necessarily be how things work here. For one, SW is the Author/QM, not WE. Secondly, Perfect Storm is very much different from other 'normal' intelligent devices, and operates under its own somewhat unique rules
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Agree. I just wanted to say that BoD is much more than just a book. Who knows how it actually work and how its details look like.
But, well, I understand that my hypothesis most probably is not true. Now that Agneyastra idea...

It's about 1:00 AM at Ural. Thank you for attention and good bye.
 
Shaseyu said:
Hi! I lurked around SV for a long time, and now I registered to say "thank you" to my favourite authors.
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Welcome aboard, matey!

Shaseyu said:
Least favourite... Well, it was absolutely not obvious for me that Taylor could participate in Privateers operations in chapter 2. I thought that when they were ready for new attack there would be special choise, something like:
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In hindsight, that was definitely something I could have done better, and I'll try to be more clear about it in the next subquest arc.

Always Late said:
There are many ancient civilizations and Lost Logia in the Nanoha franchise. What the TSAB considered Combat Cyborgs could very well have been made by other civilizations. After all, what they consider a Combat Cyborg is less about any technology they specifically hold, and more an organism with cybernetic implants specifically designed for combat. The definition is one of purpose, not how it was made.
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Shaseyu said:
2. Well, yeah. I still hope that Cyborgs are more-less the TSAB invention. It's so sad when all that you could do is just repeat and rebuild works of your ancestors.
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One thing you need to remember is that Scaglietti didn't just turn a bunch of people into cyborgs. That would be comparatively easy. He set out to design and create mages who would be more-or-less guaranteed to have Rare Skills, and then outfitted them with increasingly powerful robotic enhancements as they developed and their Skills were better understood. In my mind, at least, it was really the biological work that was the pinnacle of his research.

And the fact that the TSAB didn't do the same wasn't that they didn't have the knowledge or technical ability to make their own Combat Cyborgs. They determined that that kind of fetal gene tinkering and child experimentation was incredibly immoral and shouldn't be pursued. They wouldn't do it, not they couldn't do it.

While I've said that the Gadgeteer could create Combat Cyborgs, that was so you'd have an idea of what I meant. It would have been more accurate to say that it could create combat cyborgs, cybernetic enhancements meant for fighting. Precision genetic engineering like that is a little outside the Gadgeteer's field of expertise.

Shaseyu said:
Book of Darkness
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Always Late said:
Book of Darkness
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I can't really address this in detail right now, which should tell you something all on its own. ;) I will, however, go on the record as saying that no, Perfect Storm is not and never was linked to the Book of Darkness.
 
Silently Watches said:
While I've said that the Gadgeteer could create Combat Cyborgs, that was so you'd have an idea of what I meant. It would have been more accurate to say that it could create combat cyborgs, cybernetic enhancements meant for fighting. Precision genetic engineering like that is a little outside the Gadgeteer's field of expertise.
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Gotta have some reason to recruit Ze Beste Kleine Medic.;)
Silently Watches said:
I can't really address this in detail right now, which should tell you something all on its own. ;) I will, however, go on the record as saying that no, Perfect Storm is not and never was linked to the Book of Darkness.
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Hm... I'm going to make a bit of wild speculation here: Perfect Storm has the ability to copy/replicate magitech, in a very broad 'your technology is now ours' sense. This is a bit sketchy, but think about all the mage archetypes he can create:
PS has his own world's tech, which we've seen in Calamity Witch.
PS can also make Belkan Knights, which we know PS has fought and beaten back.
PS can make someone an expert in magitech combat cybernetics. As I've mentioned, this can be from his own world or the TSAB, so this part's a bit iffy.
PS can also do whatever Infinite Enhancement does, but you don't slap the word 'infinite' on something unless it's worthy of being called that.
And Perfect Storm can make multiple of these four, when at full operational conditions.

So that's one base, one confirmed pickup, one maybe, and one unknown. You can tell why I said 'wild speculation' rather than 'educated guess'. If 'Perfect Storm' can indeed take encountered technology/foe and put them into 'archetypes' it can implant onto people, you can see why the TSAB wanted the thing. It's an army maker.
 
Well if we start Archtyping people we obviously need to give one to Vista, although i'm not sure what we'd give her since I'd want something to compliment her powers.
 
Silently Watches said:
And the fact that the TSAB didn't do the same wasn't that they didn't have the knowledge or technical ability to make their own Combat Cyborgs. They determined that that kind of fetal gene tinkering and child experimentation was incredibly immoral and shouldn't be pursued. They wouldn't do it, not they couldn't do it.
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So they let other people do dirty work for them and then "heroically saved" poor cyborgs for themselves. I'm sure, when Nakajima decided to adopt Subaru and Ginga, Brains in Jars said "Just according to keikaku."
Sorry, it's difficult for me to not thinking bad about everybody more-less high-ranking.

Always Late said:
'your technology is now ours'
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And now I imagine PS as the Magical Amnesiac Borg.
"We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. We will add your magical and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is..."
*Arc-en-Ciel shot - Big Boom*
"Wha... Where am I? Who am I? Why wreckages are everywhere? Am i falling from orbit? Why that strange winged lady smiling to me..."
 
Shaseyu said:
So they let other people do dirty work for them and then "heroically saved" poor cyborgs for themselves. I'm sure, when Nakajima decided to adopt Subaru and Ginga, Brains in Jars said "Just according to keikaku."
Sorry, it's difficult for me to not thinking bad about everybody more-less high-ranking.
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Finally! someone who agrees! I just can't see the TSAB being as good as they appear, too much in the show makes me doubt them and I don't see every officer being noble paragons who will let someone as interesting as Taylor just slip by when their might be a market for this kind of information, but that could just be me being mistrustful but cynicism is a powerful thing in the desolate landscape of my brain.
 
Steelhooves said:
Finally! someone who agrees! I just can't see the TSAB being as good as they appear, too much in the show makes me doubt them and I don't see every officer being noble paragons who will let someone as interesting as Taylor just slip by when their might be a market for this kind of information, but that could just be me being mistrustful but cynicism is a powerful thing in the desolate landscape of my brain.
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Actually Jail's rebellion killed or removed from power a huge chunk of those. Chrono and Hayate's faction have taken power and they believe the TSAB live up to its hype of being the good guys.
 
Steelhooves said:
Finally! someone who agrees! I just can't see the TSAB being as good as they appear, too much in the show makes me doubt them and I don't see every officer being noble paragons who will let someone as interesting as Taylor just slip by when their might be a market for this kind of information, but that could just be me being mistrustful but cynicism is a powerful thing in the desolate landscape of my brain.
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You are basically assuming the TSAB is the Protectorate/PRT by being incredibly paranoid. It's sort-of just you. I say 'sort-of'... because there was a faction that fulfilled a not too shabby Cauldron role.
Silversun17 said:
Actually Jail's rebellion killed or removed from power a huge chunk of those. Chrono and Hayate's faction have taken power and they believe the TSAB live up to its hype of being the good guys.
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Now we just need to find out: it this pre or post that part of Nanoha?
*Hopes to one day have Taylor meet Nanoha and co...*
 
Always Late said:
You are basically assuming the TSAB is the Protectorate/PRT by being incredibly paranoid. It's sort-of just you. I say 'sort-of'... because there was a faction that fulfilled a not too shabby Cauldron role.

Now we just need to find out: it this pre or post that part of Nanoha?
*Hopes to one day have Taylor meet Nanoha and co...*
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GM said post strikers.
 
Always Late said:
OK. So TSAB is completely on the up and up, and we get to meet Nanoha at her peak + cute family.
I can't wait! Nanoha mothering is best mothering, and there is no such thing as too much maternal help when it comes to Taylor.
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He never said how far post StrikerS it is though... Nanoha may be in decline already or worse. Paranoia ensues.
 
Archeo Lumiere said:
From what I've read, it's like radiation poisoning, and Nanoha's getting a metric shit-ton of it from how intensive her casting is.
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:o@Silently Watches, this accurate? I know Precia Tessarosa was dying of mana poisoning, but that was from a big damn powerplant exploding. Can that come from just being a powerful mage?
 
Archeo Lumiere said:
He never said how far post StrikerS it is though
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A few years.
Archeo Lumiere said:
From what I've read, it's like radiation poisoning, and Nanoha's getting a metric shit-ton of it from how intensive her casting is.
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Always Late said:
:o@Silently Watches, this accurate? I know Precia Tessarosa was dying of mana poisoning, but that was from a big damn powerplant exploding. Can that come from just being a powerful mage?
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Precia… or Presea… or however you spell her name, had mana-poisoning from the exploding reactor. That, I believe, is canon (at least, the part about it directly leading to her poor health is. The actual mechanism I don't believe was ever explained). Nanoha isn't dying from being a powerful mage. The difference in their situations is the same as the difference between the radiation exposure from standing near ground zero of a nuclear bomb test and the radiation exposure you get from the natural decay of atoms in your body.

That said, Nanoha is on leave and playing the role of house-wife to her precious Fate-chan and raising Vivio for a few years, which I believe is also canon. Sooner or later, the creators will just admit that Nanoha and Fate are a couple and quit hinting at the subject, I know it! :) Regardless, I don't see Nanoha showing up in the near future. You have surprised me before, though, so I can't totally rule it out.
 
Silently Watches said:
That said, Nanoha is on leave and playing the role of house-wife to her precious Fate-chan and raising Vivio for a few years, which I believe is also canon. Sooner or later, the creators will just admit that Nanoha and Fate are a couple and quit hinting at the subject, I know it! :) Regardless, I don't see Nanoha showing up in the near future. You have surprised me before, though, so I can't totally rule it out.
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Eh, I think people'd be hyped as hell for any of the main Nanoha cast. Saaaaay, for example, Hayate and/or the Wolkenritter. That's be 'fun'.:whistle::evil:
 
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