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V08C10 Ultimatum

V08C10 Ultimatum


We start with an epilepsy warning. That's a bit unusual.

One title sequence later, Ironwood looks out from his office. A fair bit of air force is flying past the place. He is informed that Cinder broke Watts out of jail. He snaps at the messenger. He doesn't snap at the messenger any less when it turns out that actually only Jacques remains in custody; Qrow and Robyn have (shown here) taken the opportunity to break themselves out as well.

Ironwood literally orders them not to return until they've recaptured Qrow. Supervillain hours in here.

After taking a moment to stare out the window and get a little less angry, Ironwood gets on comms to start asking about something. And here we see that the writers took the time to write a convincing dialogue interruption: he continues for just over half a second - four syllables - of the plainly visible The Whale blowing the h*ck up. Ah, this must be the subject of the epilepsy warning.

The blast is so big it even knocks out our sound-effects track, leaving only the background music as we montage through:
  • The Ace Ops charge towards The Whale's mouth with The Bomb. They seem to be approaching from about the same angle as Ironwood's office is viewing from - is this intentional shot composition? And what are the Ace Ops doing personally lugging The Bomb instead of being available to escort it? A moot question, because The Kaboom hits them hard.
  • Weiss brings what I think is Nora's dinner into Nora's recovery room nee Weiss' bedroom, and promptly drops it as The Kaboom drowns out all other light and sound. That makes Ruby and Weiss who have destroyed perfectly innocent crockery because they were surprised (Ruby back in V05C06). Correction, this stuff seems to survive hitting the floor. The contents might be another matter. Poor Nora.
  • A bunch of airborne Grimm in the city get Kaboomed and die. Somehow the buildings are fine.

Fade back in to The Whale, which is decomposing rapidly as all Grimm do, although it will still take a minute due to the sheer size of the thing. Ohhhhh dear, the first SFX we get back is Neo making her escape with Knowledge.

The Ace Ops have survived - thanks Aura - with the worst injury being Elm getting a bit deafened. Marrow now realises that Team APRY were still on board, meaning that all his - and their - efforts to delay The Bomb were almost completely useless because The Whale blew up anyway. Marrow sprints over to the temporary carcass. Only Winter eventually follows.

Ironwood calls Winter to congratulate them on delivering The Bomb and order them to return at once to deal with yet-unspecified new problems. Winter, for whatever reason, rules that they'll tell him in person that The Bomb was not responsible (and bring it back, as a bonus).



Cinder and Watts lurk on a rooftop in Atlas, having just established that nobody else is answering their Scrolls so they're either dead or incapacitated. Watts asserts (correctly) that "She'll come back" and they need a plan for the meantime. Cinder says they already have one: Watts serves Penny up on a platter for Cinder to siphon the Winter Maidenship.

It emerges that Cinder and Watts had very different reads on Watts' message about having hacked Penny: Cinder thought Watts had Penny fully puppeted. Watts isn't impressed with the extent to which Penny isn't fully controlled by the hack, but it'll go to plan before long: the hack will open the Creation Vault and then destroy Penny. My words, not his.

Cinder and Watts now have a full and frank exchange of views™ about Cinder's desire to siphon the Winter Maidenship out of Penny in contrast to Watts' actual instructions to the hack to destroy Penny as soon as the Vault is open. Cinder and Watts have never really gotten on (witness their argument at Raven's Edgecastle in mid-V5) but they really aren't now.

Oh this exchange of views is getting very frank indeed. Short story shorter, Watts is still in a mindset of working for Salem, while Cinder has had enough of Watts working at cross-purposes to Cinder. Cinder's new plan is to kill Watts and then intercept Penny at the Vault.

Watts is obviously not going to win a fight with the Fall Maiden, and certainly not from a starting point of already being held over open space by the neck, so his only option is to talk really fast and hope to find the magic words that will change Cinder's mind without ever making a mistake. He opens with dismissive laughter, confusing Cinder enough that she starts listening. His chosen magic words are to remind Cinder about how well her previous plans have gone. Go kill Fria? Easy, right? Apparently not, that's how Penny got the Maidenship in the first place. Get Raven to assemble everyone Cinder wanted revenge on in one spot? Somehow this ended up in Cinder being an icicle.
"If only someone could have warned you against such a miserable idea. Oh wait, I did!"
'Somehow', continues Watts as Cinder forms a Maiden vortex, is actually Cinder thinking that the Fall Maidenship allows her to just bullrush through her problems. But not just that - he brings out the verbal pickaxe that Cinder thinks the world owes her something because she's suffered, because at this point he either goes big or goes extinct. (Cue abusive-childhood flashback for Cinder.) In the words of I think it was Mark Twain, the world owes you nothing - it was there first.

This turns out to be the right magic words. Cinder dispels the vortex, deposits Watts safely-ish back onto the roof, and stalks off to a different bit of roof to think about whatever it is Cinder thinks about when she's not thinking about murder. As a quote goes that my brother delivered to me without context recently, "You had a thought? It must be lonely."



Team APRY have also not been killed by The Kaboom (chorus of party noisemakers), and are picking themselves up off the ground as Yang's Scroll rings. It's Blake, who looks like she really wasn't expecting to get an answer. Hopefully she 'only' thought that they weren't on speaking terms.

As Yang (and Jaune) and Blake establish the basics, Oscar and Ren consider another problem: Emerald, who has also survived (one extra party noisemaker). They don't manage any concrete answers. Emerald is clutching at Whaledust wondering if any of it is Hazel. Somehow, :(.

Weiss sends them directions to link up. This involves going through a subway tunnel. But that's where all the civilians are! What could possibly go wrong?

Okay, we have avoided that for now, because there don't seem to be any civilians in this tunnel. Instead there is a lively debate about Emerald's new status. Emerald would rather vanish off the face of the planet, at least from them; Oscar and Ren think it's worth some amount of cooperation against Salem; Jaune and Yang will need more convincing about that. Yang, in particular, has the world's most understandable grudge over the Fall of Beacon.

Oscar tries to convince them to accept any assistance Emerald might offer by appealing to having received assistance from the currently-also-untrusted Ozpin. This is news to Jaune and Yang, because Oscar hadn't previously mentioned Ozpin resurfacing, but Ren "had a feeling".

Turns out The Kaboom was all Oscar, with Ozpin sitting back and trusting his judgement. It was also powered by "most" of the kinetic energy stored up in their weapon over countless lifetimes, so not a repeatable trick.

Oscar's appeals to reciprocate Ozpin's trust in them earn Oscar Ozpin's gratitude, but it's unclear if anyone else is yet prepared to accept it by the time a crying child becomes audible.

Ah. Here are the civilians.

Nobody reacts to Team APRY+E, so they must be advancing under some sort of cloaking, but the only mechanism I can think of is Emerald's Semblance and it must have evolved a very long way to work on at least triple-digit numbers of targets.

As they pass beyond the subway station, Oscar keeps trying to get Emerald on side for the longer haul. It might even be working.



The Ace Ops enter Ironwood's office. The man himself is so deep in making plans at the holotable that someone has to clear their throat to get his attention, which startles him. He's also surprised to hear that The Bomb wasn't expended, but immediately pivots to working it into his next plan, whatever that is.

With Salem inevitably returning, Penny still in the wind, Watts taken again, and Qrow (and Robyn) escaping in the confusion of Watts' escape, Ironwood is losing his tiny mind even more than he already had, which is genuinely darkly impressive given how much he already had.

...even more than that, because I think he's suggesting taking hostages to coerce Penny into returning to custody. Ironwood thinks to leverage Team ARY, but Harriet undermines Winter by asserting that Winter "let them go". Harriet provides context, but Ironwood slides even even even further into psychosis.

Ironwood snaps and smashes the holotable. I hope that isn't a metaphor.

It is at this moment that military command reports to him the SDC freight fleet approaching Mantle. Bad timing. Ironwood concludes (somewhat correctly), while going so insane that he's looped back around to looking sane, that "this has always been about saving Mantle", then says he needs to make a call. :concern:



I thought there was a bunch of magical-explosion-remnant haze about but at this rate it's looking like sunrise. Where did the night even go? Anyway, Watts approaches Cinder on the roof. What he might be doing will stay unanswered, because Cinder receives a text from Neo:
Your boss won't stay dead...but you will without this ;)

(selfie with Knowledge)

If you want her name, you know what you owe me.
Congratulations Cinder, your inability to recognise other people has finally bitten you.



Team RSB open the doors of the Schnee live-in trophy cabinet to find Team ARY outside. (Lyrics!) After a shorter but more traumatic interval than last time, finally Team RWBY are together again. Blake looks least expectant to be greeted by Yang, and most relieved when she is. Weiss takes Ren to see Nora; I hope they'll be okay.

Oscar was hanging back. Ruby goes to greet him, stopping in her tracks upon seeing Emerald behind him. Oscar has to talk very fast to avoid both of them drawing their weapons. Oscar can't talk fast enough; what actually stops them is May calling to report that the evac fleet is "not alone". She orders everyone into cover, then the explosion noises start and the call cuts out.

Moments later, everyone's Scrolls ring with a predefined emergency tone; Ruby puts hers on holoprojector for the benefit of those without. The lower-third of the emergency broadcast reads "AN ANNOUNCEMENT FROM GENERAL IRONWOOD" as the Atlesian air force shoots down the evac fleet(!). Soon, cut to the actual announcement (that wasn't the announcement?): General Ironwood stands in silhouette to throw Penny under the bus. He implores her to return to Atlas Academy and "do your duty", and he'll magnanimously leave Mantle alone. Otherwise, he'll use The Bomb to destroy it. Apropos of Ironwood's descent into cartoon supervillainy, some music:

"If there is no Mantle, then there is no reason for you not to work with me." says this idiot, who obviously never got taught about grudges or anything like that.

Ironwood sets a deadline of one hour. This has the minor complication that Penny is still hacked and still out cold on the floor next to Nora (Weiss and Ren didn't actually manage to leave the foyer), but I have a feeling that won't stop Ironwood. He concludes by trying to abuse the fact that he granted the title of Protector of Mantle in the first place. This guy.



Next time: If only it were just a board game.
 
I thought there was a bunch of magical-explosion-remnant haze about but at this rate it's looking like sunrise. Where did the night even go? Anyway, Watts approaches Cinder on the roof. What he might be doing will stay unanswered, because Cinder receives a text from Neo:
Did you notice how Neo's profile pic on Cinder's scroll is obviously one she didn't want to give?
Nobody reacts to Team APRY+E, so they must be advancing under some sort of cloaking, but the only mechanism I can think of is Emerald's Semblance and it must have evolved a very long way to work on at least triple-digit numbers of targets.
I always took this as the civvies just being so beaten down and worried over their own fate that they couldn't spare the mental energy to deal with something that wasn't obviously an immediate problem.
Cinder and Watts lurk on a rooftop in Atlas, having just established that nobody else is answering their Scrolls so they're either dead or incapacitated. Watts asserts (correctly) that "She'll come back" and they need a plan for the meantime. Cinder says they already have one: Watts serves Penny up on a platter for Cinder to siphon the Winter Maidenship.

It emerges that Cinder and Watts had very different reads on Watts' message about having hacked Penny: Cinder thought Watts had Penny fully puppeted. Watts isn't impressed with the extent to which Penny isn't fully controlled by the hack, but it'll go to plan before long: the hack will open the Creation Vault and then destroy Penny. My words, not his.

Cinder and Watts now have a full and frank exchange of views™ about Cinder's desire to siphon the Winter Maidenship out of Penny in contrast to Watts' actual instructions to the hack to destroy Penny as soon as the Vault is open. Cinder and Watts have never really gotten on (witness their argument at Raven's Edgecastle in mid-V5) but they really aren't now.

Oh this exchange of views is getting very frank indeed. Short story shorter, Watts is still in a mindset of working for Salem, while Cinder has had enough of Watts working at cross-purposes to Cinder. Cinder's new plan is to kill Watts and then intercept Penny at the Vault.

Watts is obviously not going to win a fight with the Fall Maiden, and certainly not from a starting point of already being held over open space by the neck, so his only option is to talk really fast and hope to find the magic words that will change Cinder's mind without ever making a mistake. He opens with dismissive laughter, confusing Cinder enough that she starts listening. His chosen magic words are to remind Cinder about how well her previous plans have gone. Go kill Fria? Easy, right? Apparently not, that's how Penny got the Maidenship in the first place. Get Raven to assemble everyone Cinder wanted revenge on in one spot? Somehow this ended up in Cinder being an icicle.
'Somehow', continues Watts as Cinder forms a Maiden vortex, is actually Cinder thinking that the Fall Maidenship allows her to just bullrush through her problems. But not just that - he brings out the verbal pickaxe that Cinder thinks the world owes her something because she's suffered, because at this point he either goes big or goes extinct. (Cue abusive-childhood flashback for Cinder.) In the words of I think it was Mark Twain, the world owes you nothing - it was there first.

This turns out to be the right magic words. Cinder dispels the vortex, deposits Watts safely-ish back onto the roof, and stalks off to a different bit of roof to think about whatever it is Cinder thinks about when she's not thinking about murder. As a quote goes that my brother delivered to me without context recently, "You had a thought? It must be lonely."
Really, one of Watt's best moments all around and showing off another side of himself than just the electronic genius.
 
I'd also note that you seemed to miss that Cinder didn't just 'walk off to have a thought' - she stumbled away, collapsed and started crying while staring blankly into the middle distance. It's clear Watts' words genuinely shook her and broke her worldview.
 
I thought there was a bunch of magical-explosion-remnant haze about but at this rate it's looking like sunrise. Where did the night even go? Anyway, Watts approaches Cinder on the roof. What he might be doing will stay unanswered, because Cinder receives a text from Neo:
Congratulations Cinder, your inability to recognise other people has finally bitten you.
And thus, one of my favorite bits of fanart was born

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Remnant Roses

After V8C10 showed us that Cinder is That Bitch who takes pictures of all her contacts whether they like it or not, I couldn’t stop thinking about what the rest of her contact list might look like.
 
I always took this as the civvies just being so beaten down and worried over their own fate that they couldn't spare the mental energy to deal with something that wasn't obviously an immediate problem.
Surely even one of them might have had an observable reaction... It's really a choice between unlikely options.

I'd also note that you seemed to miss that Cinder didn't just 'walk off to have a thought' - she stumbled away, collapsed and started crying while staring blankly into the middle distance. It's clear Watts' words genuinely shook her and broke her worldview.
On today's edition of 'michaelb958 remains unsurprisingly bad at judging emotions'.

And thus, one of my favorite bits of fanart was born

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Remnant Roses

After V8C10 showed us that Cinder is That Bitch who takes pictures of all her contacts whether they like it or not, I couldn’t stop thinking about what the rest of her contact list might look like.
Oh Emerald no.
 
Somehow - don't ask how - Team ARY have made it on board The Whale

Running, screaming, more running, language not suitable for minors.

Jaune has to remind Ren that he's here to help too.
And Ren, having recognized that certain thoughts he was having earlier were toxic and self-destructive, is able to acknowledge the value in this and be grateful. Even in uncertain times, he's only alone if he refuses the support of his friends.

Then what am I even doing with this thread?

Honestly, you've done pretty well at viewing the show, and frankly some of your observations are things I never thought about. Your bit about just how bad Ironwoods majority on the council being worse than I ever realized, for instance. And back in V4, your thoughts made me revisit Tai's scenes and realize he's even more hopeless than I thought.

Ozpin understands Oscar's reluctance, and thinks Oscar's "doing just fine on your own". Or maybe Ozpin's still feeling a bit inadequate...

A bit of both, I feel. Oz has severe depression, after all, while also letting Oscar take the lead on messing with the flunkeys heads.

Marrow is also in the trench, having a crisis of conscience about sending "kids" into the battle.

And this one, I get what they were going for, but the Academy was training them for fighting Grimm, they weren't drafted, and like it or not, FNKI has experience fighting hordes of Grimm in a population center.

It appears that the seeds of discord are bearing fruit.

And the fact Hazel recognizes Emerald wants out and shouldn't be there means a lot. He's still my most despised of Salems goons, but it turns out there was SOME decency in him

Jinn is put out at the second summoning in a row without anybody asking her anything

Not entirely, I feel. Take note of where she was looking during that bit. The wall Neo was cloaked against. 'NONE OF YOU have a question to ask?' Jinn has a history of being a benevolent genie, after all. And I suspect the concept of just her summoning answering the question was a novel one for her.

Jaune: "Haah, would have gone with 'keep moving forward', but sure!

Given Jaunes VA was a close friend of Monty and is one of the three co-creators, having him say Montys old quote is a nice touch.

"You really have been honing that Semblance of yours," She says; goodness knows whether this is a compliment.

Not a compliment. Given how Salem thinks so little of humanity 2.0, the fact Emeralds semblance works on her has her FURIOUS.

Yang, not content to rest on her laurels of talking Spring Maiden Raven into giving her Knowledge in the first place, has decided to one-up herself by trying to backtalk Salem Herself. Salem, who has doubtless seen this countless times, gets out the same playbook She used on Ruby about a Volume ago: passively absorb initial outburst, make armour-piercing response. This time She drags it out a little, getting Yang to namedrop Summer Rose as someone she's lost. Exactly what Salem had planned to respond to that will forever remain unknown,

And whatever Salem tried, it wouldn't work. Because Yang is right. Salem has spent all these years in a cosmic temper tantrum, bringing nothing but pain and suffering to all, acting like only her pain and grief matters. This right here, is one of her victims, who lost family to her, who lost an arm because of Salems need to burn down nations, telling her that in the end, her pain doesn't give her the right to inflict suffering on others. In the end, Salem is just another Adam. And just as pathetic.
 
And Ren, having recognized that certain thoughts he was having earlier were toxic and self-destructive, is able to acknowledge the value in this and be grateful. Even in uncertain times, he's only alone if he refuses the support of his friends.
And ain't that thematic?

Honestly, you've done pretty well at viewing the show, and frankly some of your observations are things I never thought about. Your bit about just how bad Ironwoods majority on the council being worse than I ever realized, for instance. And back in V4, your thoughts made me revisit Tai's scenes and realize he's even more hopeless than I thought.
Huh, look at that, I've actually accomplished something.

Not a compliment. Given how Salem thinks so little of humanity 2.0, the fact Emeralds semblance works on her has her FURIOUS.
That awkward moment when your favourite flavour of eugenics turns out to be flawed.
 
V08C11 Risk
Word from Viz Media, previously distributor of RWBY tie-in manga and the companion book The World of RWBY, is that they've purchased the franchise rights and at least some of its core staff. No word on much else this early in the process; in particular, new content (e.g. Volume 10) and distribution of existing content have both received explicit 'no comment yet'.



V08C11 Risk


At the tail end of Ironwood's unhinged announcement, the streets of Atlas are full of Grimm again because he diverted the air force from killing Grimm to shooting down the evac fleet. Brilliant priorities! The population of Atlas, still sheltering underground, are not at all reassured by the actions of their dictator, which is probably drawing in even more Grimm. And if you thought that was bad, witness the scenes in the Crater: as the announcement ends, Fiona finally thinks through enough to drop the Scroll on which the Happy Huntresses were watching it. (They are not happy now. They are, in fact, quite distressed.)

Scenes are no more harmonious in Atlesian military command, where two officers don't dare not salute as Ironwood and Winter walk past.

The Ace Ops are also having a difference of opinion. In fact, they have an opinion each, which might be a first. Elm thinks Ironwood is bluffing. Vine and Marrow think he isn't, but Vine thinks this is Hard Man Making Hard Decisions (of which he approves) whereas Marrow remains aghast at everything. Harriet has fallen into apathy. At this point Ironwood and Winter join them, Ironwood ordering drones on standby to deliver The Bomb. By Winter's reaction it seems that she also thought he was bluffing.

"This is how we save Atlas," declares Ironwood without a shred of supporting evidence, and turns to leave. Marrow decides he's had enough bootlicking for a lifetime and asks how Ironwood thinks "doing Salem's job for her" is saving Atlas. Marrow is exceptionally dismayed to receive no support from anybody. As he walks away, Winter knocks him down and arrests him, which is probably forgivable even if it's not a trick to get him to an escape point because Ironwood was about half a second from shooting him in the head Sleet-style.

The three Ace Ops still present make extra-sure to get out of Ironwood's way and salute as he leaves.



In the dining room where Jacques Schnee was being interrogated about treason not forty hours ago, Team RWBY and Oscar (and Emerald) consider their options. Blake thinks their options are limited by Qrow and Robyn still being hostages. If only they knew that Ironwood would have threatened the hostages instead if he had any.

Ruby has again succumbed to ambient pessimism and thinks there are no options. Emerald agrees, acerbically, which nearly gets Yang to start a fight. Oscar has to keep them under control, and Weiss has to bear the mantle of optimism.

Oh no Ruby. The past day has crushed her spirits. All she can think of is that nothing has changed since then: they're "arguing about what to do while the kingdom waits to die". Yang attempts to comfort her, but Ruby flees the room and Yang has to run after her.

Meanwhile upstairs, Jaune is Amping Nora to try to get her up and about again while Ren tries his best to imply apologies. Unfortunately for Nora, the electric scarring won't go away under Amp, suggesting it's permanent. Nora is not in a good headspace either. Quick Ren, reassure her! ...Nora is not in a headspace to be reassured by Ren, biting back instead. :(

Ren makes about the best possible move: apologising to both of them. (Jaune starts paying attention again.) Ren, says Ren, has spent a Volume and a half angry trying to better their chances of success by focusing on training, and has actually been worsening them by angry-neglecting the team bonds that actually allow them to perform at their best.

Jaune makes his excuses and gives Ren and Nora the space. They need it, because they're not done unpicking each other's neuroses yet. Nora wonders why Ren didn't say something earlier. Ren asserts that he and he alone was holding them back. Nora reckons she's only good for dumb jokes and hitting stuff. Somewhere in the middle of Ren frantically listing reasons otherwise, the L word slips out. He very briefly backtracks, then decides to own it instead. This may not actually have been the best move, because it brings up Nora's insecurity about only being defined as part of Renora. ...No, she actually does reciprocate, she just doesn't think she's good enough for him. :( :(

Well, they've mended fences and mutually agreed to spend some time working on themselves as individuals first, which is a pretty good outcome. Certainly better than how things were this time yesterday. A mature and well-considered result, as much as it pangs the hearts of the Renora shippers (yes, hi, I am one).



And now, Qrow, retrieving his weapon from a storage locker as it sinks in for Robyn that Ironwood really is going to wipe Mantle off the map because he Planned so. Qrow hands her her weapon and asserts that they're going to stop it.

They nearly have a shouting match outside a lift over Qrow's fixation on murdering Ironwood vs Robyn thinking that's too risky. Fortunately there's nobody to hear them.

Robyn doesn't just think it's too risky, she's fully on a mission to stop Qrow self-destructing. I hope she succeeds.

Success can't be assessed just yet because the lift is arriving. With no time to hide, they can only point weapons at it as it opens. We don't see who or what is inside, but it surprises them. Is it Winter and Marrow escaping together? Please tell me it's Winter and Marrow escaping together.



Yang finds Ruby on the foyer stairs. Nobody has moved the statue that killed the Hound, and I fear that a substantial part of its substrate's skeleton is still under there too. The dead Hound is Yang's choice of opening conversation topic, mock-accusing Ruby of still needing to one-up her. It doesn't work so well initially - Ruby is still reeling from finding out about said substrate. Fortunately Blake did tell Yang about it so she (Yang)'s not about to be bowled over.

...Salem made the Hound out of some captured silver-eyed warrior, who I'm noting was a male faunus just because of my next point. Salem has met Summer, and Summer is missing. Let's all not think about the implications. If we're lucky, nobody looked this one in the eye and they might not have to think about it either.
Unfortunately for everybody, we are not so lucky: Ruby looked it in the eye, Ruby has had more than enough time to think about it (read: instant), and now Yang has to as well. Yang fails her emotional damage save and collapses in tears. Ruby continues, explaining that that was why she actually couldn't raise her weapon against the Hound at the end. And then it gets worse:
"Salem used to kill people with silver eyes, like Maria. But she's always wanted me alive. Why would that change unless... when she met Mum, she learned she could do something new?"
Yang pulls herself together a bit - big-sister imperative - but can't do anything before Ruby outlines her deeper despair. She (Ruby) pushed for the Amity plan to call for help, it hasn't worked, and they can't do it again. "I wasted our time... I was being childish." :(

Yang tries to tell her that she was actually being optimistic and that was also sorely necessary, but Ruby's in no state to hear about it. Yang has to go to Plan B of reminding Ruby about the nature of risks - that they are risky - and that Team APRY's own risks didn't all work out either. But they've both accomplished things anyway: Team RSPBV got The Message out, and Team APRY blew up The Whale.

Now Yang goes super-risky by bringing up Summer Rose's last known risk. "...But she's still my hero."

This might work out.

Here's something that won't! There is the sound of glass breaking, then Jaune rushes past out the door and tells them to "hurry!". The hack has flown Penny out a front window. Ruby Semblancing in front of her gets Penny halfway in control for a few seconds, but nothing useful can be accomplished in that time. The hack reiterates its mission and flies off with Ruby still clinging on - or tries to, but Blake and Ren drag it back to the ground and Weiss anchors Penny there with a glyph. There isn't a plan beyond that point, and there's no time to make one before the hack shows off that it's figured out how to Winter Maiden. Oh dear.

The hack uses Maiden powers to leave the glyph, but is unable to perfect its escape from the tethers: Emerald adds her own tethering, and then shouts at Jaune to do something so he goes and Amps Weiss, which intensifies the glyph enough to drag Penny back to the ground. The hack relinquishes control (for now...) and Ruby pleads with Penny to "Tell me how to help you!", to which Penny says "Kill me.". In case anyone wasn't sure, Penny repeats herself. It is just not a good time to have emotions right now. Judging by the look on Ruby's face, she agrees with me.

Penny's thought process is that if she dies now, with the hack in the back seat, she can make sure Ruby gets the Maidenship. Nobody is willing to do it, they just all stare wide-eyed in disbelief that the situation has become this bad. Penny pleads with them to kill her (this is a sentence fragment that has happened!!!) before the hack regains control; Ruby chooses instead to believe in Penny's ability to fight off the hack even as Penny doesn't.

Nora reiterates her advice from I've-already-lost-count-of-when that the hack is only a part of Penny, and adds that if Penny was fully robotic she'd have lost already. Ruby has a flash of insight at that and orders Jaune to Amp Penny. This works! Penny's soul was already the part fighting back, and Amping it allowed Penny to regain full control and relegate the virus to the back seat - for a while.

Teams RWBY and ALPN gather around Penny to give reassurance that she's a valued person with a soul. This is Emerald's cue for her own attempt at a motivational speech (did you forget Emerald was there? I managed to!): this is a war, there will be setbacks, keep fighting anyway because she'll be incredibly angry (but she got V8's swear word quota for that) if they give up as soon as she "switched sides". Then everybody picks up on "switched sides" and she goes a little tsundere about it. Oscar gives her a hand up off the ground on which she was sitting, then asks the group if they'd be okay with Ozpin addressing them. You mean he wasn't already?

The group agree, so Ozpin takes the wheel and gives an apology for hiding the truth from them and for hiding from them after the truth came out. Team RWBY accept it. In keeping with the "risk" theme of the episode, Weiss expresses that trust is a risk. Ozpin asks for theirs, and there is an immense implication as Emerald steps up beside him.

It's not quite all fun, games, and reconciliation out the front of the live-in trophy cabinet: the hack is still worming its way through Penny, continually Amping her isn't practical for long, and Ironwood's doom timer is ticking down. Nora brings up the risk that Ruby acknowledges they didn't think about: take Penny to the Vault. It sounds like there is about to be a Plan.

Ruby calls Ironwood and accepts his demands. Watts is listening in to that call as Neo waltzes up to him and points her sword at Cinder, who evidently accepted her demands. Oh dear, we now have duelling Guaranteed Unspoken Plans, I hope this goes okay for people neither named Ironwood nor associated with Salem. To be continued, roll credits.

Wait, wrong credits. In the real credits, even Emerald gets a Ruby scale indicator, not to mention an annotation on her necklace of "Gem gradient pls".



Next time: Trust him, he's an engineer.
 
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At the tail end of Ironwood's unhinged announcement, the streets of Atlas are full of Grimm again because he diverted the air force from killing Grimm to shooting down the evac fleet. Brilliant priorities! The population of Atlas, still sheltering underground, are not at all reassured by the actions of their dictator, which is probably drawing in even more Grimm.

It really says something that in the shot of Atlas, we have the population hiding in the subways without even a single soldier to be seen. The safety of the people of even his flying island are that far down his list of priorities.
 
Qrow and Robyn have (shown here) taken the opportunity to break themselves out as well.

If you pause it JUST right, you can catch a blury Qrow mid transformation as he tackles a VERY confused guard.

Ironwood literally orders them not to return until they've recaptured Qrow. Supervillain hours in here.

Also, the soldier is clearly terrified of him, possibly in fear of their life. Word is spreading of Sleet, I suspect.

The blast is so big it even knocks out our sound-effects track,

A quick and convenient way of showing something is LOUD.

And what are the Ace Ops doing personally lugging The Bomb instead of being available to escort it?

The usual bad organization. That or Winter didn't want to risk rank and file troops in the belly of the beast.


This thing takes a lot longer to disperse than most Grimm, even considering the size. There were a lot of theories about that.

This turns out to be the right magic words.

Cinder needed to hear this. The fact that it cut through her anger, despite coming from the literal worst person to be saying it to her (Watts is the sort of person that would happily be hanging out with Hotel Bitch) really says a lot.

Team APRY have also not been killed by The Kaboom

Oscar used the cane as a directional charge. Which means the 'BOOM' Atlas felt was just the backblast O_O

It's Blake, who looks like she really wasn't expecting to get an answer. Hopefully she 'only' thought that they weren't on speaking terms.

I think it was a followup from earlier with her and Ruby, where they tried to call, but communications were getting increasingly unreliable. Blake had been repeatedly calling since then, and didn't expect this call to be any more successful than the last ten.

Emerald is clutching at Whaledust wondering if any of it is Hazel. Somehow, :(.

Yeah... at this point, Emerald has admitted Cinder never cared for her and was using her, Mercury went off to Vacuo, but Hazel? He was never mean to her, got her to safety at the end of V5, tried to shield the kids from Salem in 6, and honestly, protecting her and getting her out was a large factor in his choice the previous episode. In the end, the man did care for the teenagers around him,

Emerald would rather vanish off the face of the planet,

Given the Queen of Grimm has reasons to hate her specifically now, I can't really blame her for this desire. At the same time, it's not a long term solution to the problem that Salem wants her dead, and wants to do it with her own hands. Like it or not Emerald, you're gonna need allies now.

Nobody reacts to Team APRY+E, so they must be advancing under some sort of cloaking, but the only mechanism I can think of is Emerald's Semblance and it must have evolved a very long way to work on at least triple-digit numbers of targets.

Honestly, I figure they were noticed, but I also suspect they're not the first people to wander the rail lines in this mess. The civilians had more important things to worry about than random people.

He's also surprised to hear that The Bomb wasn't expended, but immediately pivots to working it into his next plan, whatever that is.

"Wait, if we didn't blow it up, the only other candidate would be Oz-NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT NEXT TOPIC!"

...even more than that, because I think he's suggesting taking hostages to coerce Penny into returning to custody.

And here's the real kicker here. He's STILL sticking with the plan to yeet the island. The shields are broken, to the point several of the generator towers are in MANTLE. Yeeting the island will kill everyone. Salem is still on the island (Well, unless Oscar managed to hit her in such a way her particles went flying and Vale is getting an immigrant in a few hours). The island is covered in Grimm. The plan is unworkable several times over, but he's sticking to it. There are several reasons I can think of. His exhaustion, paranoia, PTSD, some may say his semblance... Personally, I think the real reason is he knows, deep down, he's fucked himself. He murdered political rivals, abandoned half his kingdom to horrible deaths, and thanks to Ruby and her allies, the world knows. The military under his command knows. He has to succeed at this point, or he'll be facing the consequences of his actions.

Harriet undermines Winter by asserting that Winter "let them go"

Harriet has seen this man murder people for being a potential threat to his plans. Even if she didn't realize it, she endangered Winters life here. And the look on Winters face as she looks up at Ironwood. She just realized what the man who essentially saved her from the role of Schnee heir really is, and that's both terrifying and heartbreaking.

Congratulations Cinder, your inability to recognise other people has finally bitten you.

But at the same time, Neo fucked herself. Before this, Salem believed it was Emerald that stole the lamp, and that would catch Cinder in the crosshairs. Cinder, the woman who's most to blame for Romans death (Besides Roman himself) would face a fate worse than death, and Neo could skip away with the relic. Instead, Cinder now knows Neo has backstabbed her, and do you really think she's going to admit she's been dicking Neo over?

Blake looks least expectant to be greeted by Yang, and most relieved when she is.

I imagine how such a reunion would have gone between Blake and Adam if she hadn't accompanied him on a mission and instead gone on another one, and shudder. Thankfully, Yang not only recognizes that, but shows Blake there's nothing to fear in the sweetest way possible. I swear, tumblr damn near melted with that reunion. Bonus points for Ruby and Weiss watching and approving :)

what actually stops them is May calling to report that the evac fleet is "not alone"

The way that May is clearly terrified just from seeing the Atlas ships with the evac fleet. Brr.

And the way that Ironwood has convinced himself that murdering the people of Mantle will make the problem go away and everyone will fall in line before his authority because then they'll have no reason to disobey... Also note when he talks about how he's done all this for Atlas, still expecting praise for this, at no point does he actually mention the people of his magic flying island. The people hiding in the subways, who are also watching this announcement.
 
And yes we are on the 3rd day of the invasion of Atlas. The Battle of Schnee Manor and Monstra Infiltration all took place on the same night. These kids have been through the wringer.
 
V08C12 Creation

V08C12 Creation


The air force has a bad time against some more flying Grimm. One plane heading for Atlas evades the maelstrom; it contains Team ALN.

At Atlas Academy's courtyard, Ironwood wields an impractical-looking two-handed hand-cannon (is this the fabled gun-gun? how does one even practically aim it?) as the Ace Ops (minus Winter and Marrow) line up behind him.

Some robot troopers start bringing the bomb out of an aircraft landed what I think is somewhere nearby. (Intercut tense scenes in the Crater which Joanna and Fiona can't do much to help.) One of them gets shot from offscreen. What if this is a callback to Qrow's nontrivial introduction in V03C03? Wouldn't that be neat?

Ironwood tells the Ace Ops to "be ready for anything". I wonder what he's thinking about Winter not being back yet. Harriet asserts that anybody accompanying Penny (whose condition is unknown) is to be "put down". Well, we know what Harriet thinks about Marrow's absence. This remark seems to give even Vine some misgivings as he wonders how they got here from back there.

A security alert on Ironwood's Scroll tells him that, indeed, Qrow and Robyn are in the hangar, either messing with The Bomb or just looking to flee. The latter is Ironwood's theory, as befitting a man who buckled under the weight of his fear. The former is Vine's, which may partially be projection.

Harriet is gung-ho to go punch out Bird Found Family. Elm isn't unwilling to do that, she's just worried that someone needs to oversee Penny's arrival. Cue Winter to arrive and assume the latter responsibility. The other Ace Ops depart; I think that's Elm's normal facial expression rather than a has-misgivings face, but goodness knows I've been wrong about facial expressions before.

Winter starts saying something that could be interpreted as trying to talk Ironwood out of it. Ironwood does so interpret it and leaves Winter an opening to claim she wasn't. Winter takes it. Just as Penny arrives by jetboots, she (Winter) adds "I don't think that's possible.", which I choose to interpret as as good as spelling out that Winter thinks he's railroading himself and has given up trying to get through to him.

Ironwood and Winter alternate keeping weapons trained on Penny as first Ironwood hands Winter some bola-handcuffs and expresses dull surprise that Penny actually showed up alone like he demanded, then Winter fastens them on Penny as Penny says she just doesn't want anyone else to die. With Penny cuffed, Ironwood tells her she's done the right thing. "I have;" says Penny, "feels weird.", except that between those two utterances Emerald drops the hallucination that (a) Emerald was Penny and (b) Team ALPN and their aircraft weren't landed a bit behind her. GOT 'IM! I'm somewhat wondering how close the Ace Ops were to walking into an invisible aircraft.

And then it gets better: Emerald does a backflip and kicks Ironwood in the face. (Suddenly, lyrics!) She lands in a crouch that would almost be comfortable if she weren't cuffed, catches Ironwood's gun that he dropped because everybody has a plan until they get kicked in the face, and hallucinates herself invisible.

Inside, the Ace Ops enter a scene of robotic carnage. Sure enough, Qrow and Robyn are making short work of Atlas' Finest Automata.

Now back outside, where Ironwood is pretty good in a fight, even unarmed, but there are four of them and one of him. Team ALPN come at him individually, which makes it easier for Ironwood to fight them individually - until Nora, fourth in the rotation, gets empowered by a glyph from Winter. The look of betrayal on Ironwood's face.

Now back inside, where the Ace Ops charge for Qrow and Robyn, but don't get far because Marrow Stays them all. Don't ask me how he's managing three targets. Actually, you can, but my answer will be "the power of friendship". It is nigh-certain that the four of them met at the lift and somehow got convinced that they were all on the same side now.

Now back outside, where Winter and Oscar (mainly Winter, but Oscar certainly helped) make short work of Ironwood, who slumps over unconscious, Aura broken.

Now back inside, where Qrow and Robyn stand on a mostly-metaphorical pile of scrapped automata and break it to the Ace Ops that they're not there to fight, not to mention rub some salt into their egos by referring to not fighting as a "tough call".

Now back outside, where Winter uncuffs Emerald, takes custody of Ironwood's oversized gun, and tells everyone else that Phase 2 is go. When did anybody have time to fill Winter in on Emerald's defection? Come to think of it, how much did Winter even know about Emerald beforehand?



We might find out some of these things, because here's a flashback to outside the live-in trophy cabinet. Teams RWBY and ALPN start planning to open the Vault of Creation and use the Relic within to hopefully save everyone. Then Weiss gets a Scroll message, implied to be from Winter.

At a similar time, Winter manhandles Marrow into a lift and then does nothing else, leaving Marrow a bit confused that he's not being arrested. Winter has found her personal line behind her. Marrow isn't happy to have been punched, which Winter shuts down by informing him just how close he was to being Sleeted.

Winter starts texting Weiss, which by her (Winter's) own admission she "should have done ages ago", to obtain help for their goal of stopping Ironwood. The lift stops, which they weren't expecting, and opens to reveal Qrow and Robyn. Sure enough, Winter rolls with it.

Back in the trophy cabinet, Teams RWBY+ALPN+P+E, and Whitley for good measure, mull over the problem. There is no longer any serviceable bulk air fleet, so any evacuation will basically have to occur by the use of Creation. The evacuation can't just be from Mantle to Atlas because they've seen that Atlas is in just as much of a pickle and will also have to be evacuated. Getting to Creation will involve opening its Vault, which will cause the hack to attempt to kill Penny, and it won't have to try very hard. Ironwood will drop The Bomb on Mantle if any of this comes to his notice. And as soon as Creation is used for anything, another doom timer starts: Atlas has emergency flight mechanisms, but they won't last long at all, and the evacuation must be complete before then because anyone still anywhere nearby will be wiped off the face of Remnant by the impact.

Jaune starts constraint-solving by proposing to use Creation to "teleport everyone to safety". Oscar has to break it to him that Creation isn't a magic wand, "and we haven't even told you about - him.", which is a drama-causing sentence fragment in this group of people Ozpin previously mushroomed if ever I've heard one. Sure enough, dark looks from Team RWBY and Emerald, and Yang leans over to ask "Who?".

Ozpin takes control, which is barely noticeably different any more. Like Knowledge, Creation has a spirit within who functions as the user interface. Unlike Jinn, Creation's Spirit is "a character" who needs to be told exactly what to build and how. Blueprints will be needed, and examples will help. Whitley has been studying the SDC's evacuation plans, which aren't great but they're something to start from.

That's Phase 1. Fade to Phase 2's execution as they narrate it. It turns out Oscar definitely did not teleport at the end of V7, he just blew a hole in Atlas' hull at the bottom of the long drop below the Vault just in time to fall out of it. Klein flies Team RWBY and Penny there, with Willow and Whitley for moral support, and Ruby Semblances Team RWBY+P up to the Vault entrance. Poor Blake, that must have been a long trip in petalspace. (What air force doing?! ...oh yeah, they're all dead.)

That's the easy part (says Oscar or maybe Ozpin). Once Penny opens the Vault, Ruby plans that Team RWBY will need to enter Creation's timestop as fast as possible to minimize the time in which the hack can kill Penny, then work out some way for Creation to avert the hack entirely.

What concerns me is that we're getting all this narration about the protagonists' plan, which means that the Unspoken Plan Guarantee now applies less to them than to the antagonists.

So. Penny opens the Creation Vault. Ruby immediately Semblances Team RWBY in to grab Creation. Time stops, as we see through a montage of the Atlas subway, Team ALPN and Emerald at a terminal that's telling them "WELCOME BACK" (I wonder what their role in Phase 2 is), Team QRM preparing to fight the other Ace Ops no matter how much they might not want to, Winter herding Ironwood into a cell next to Jacques, and the hack doing its best to attack Penny.

Please welcome the Spirit of Creation, Ambrosius, who apparently considers flying cities boring. He is much less bored when Ruby gets to the part of the explanation where Penny isn't biological.

Ambrosius is apparently a very literal kind of Spirit; fortunately, Team RWBY have come prepared for that (thanks Ozpin!). With Weiss' Scroll projecting Penny's schematics, Ruby requests Ambrosius:
"We want you to make a new version of her, using her exact same robot parts."
Ambrosius picks up on the "curious" wording. Ruby explains: An exact copy wouldn't work, because it would still contain the hack (and Ambrosius would make an exact copy, he just said so). An exact copy without the hack isn't going to cut it either, because it would be a Creation project, and would therefore cease to exist as soon as another Creation project was requested (which we know it will immediately be). Ambrosius is impressed with their preparation. Ruby reiterates the request:
"We want you to create a new version of her, using her existing robotic parts, taking the virus with them."
Ambrosius isn't sure what would be left of Penny without her existing robotic parts. That's easy, says Blake: Penny would be left. Ruby comes equipped with the knowledge that Ambrosius cannot destroy, and Yang is well-placed to state that the mechanical parts of Penny are just "extra" to her soul.

This is by no means risk-free, as Ambrosius soon points out. There has never been a synthetic person with a soul before, so certainly nobody has tried anything like this before. Team RWBY may have been able to pique Ambrosius' creativity, but even he doesn't yet know how Penny's soul will handle the absence of her mechanical body - what would be left? How much of each part of Penny would count as a Creation project?

Weiss asserts that there isn't any other option - implicitly excluding 'let Penny die' - which Ambrosius reasonably interprets as final confirmation. And so we begin! Penny's body is picked up by tendrils of Creation mist. Penny is now basically part of the timestop, but the hack can't continue because something something her soul's already being strengthened.

And now there are two of Penny. "It's done." says Ambrosius, fairly flippantly. This flippancy is not mirrored anywhere else: as the timestop expires, all on Atlas (including Teams ALPN and QRM, and the Ace Ops) feel the shudder as the city loses main flight systems and the emergencies kick in.

This is the signal for Team ALPN to start livestreaming. Jaune, after being informed that he is in fact being beamed live everywhere the emergency broadcast can reach (I just about died in sympathy), starts reciting a message. He gets as far as "Atlas is falling. But!-" before the broadcast abruptly dies completely. How this happened is a mystery to Team ALPN. I reckon Watts decided that was a good time to cut it off to fuel panic.

Even the secure cellblock got to hear that start-of-broadcast. Jacques is incredulous that Atlas could be falling, and because the broadcast is incomplete, becomes the first person outside the Plan to hear about the evacuation. The two of them will be evacuated, but at a lower priority than whatever Winter's going to do now (she let him stew for a bit before saying that). Jacques starts thanking Winter - how sincere he is, we will never know, but probably at least a bit - before Winter shuts him right down by telling him Weiss decided on it.



There are two of Penny, but only one has jetboots and gloves. The other looks at her bare hands in wonder.

The hack is now the only occupant of Penny's mechanical body. It does what an ethics-free assessment would class as an admirable job trying to reach the new Penny and kill her, but her old body was completely unsuitable to function without a soul; it rapidly grinds to a halt, collapses on the floor, convulses murderously for a few more moments, and finally goes still (V3 trauma flashbacks intensify).

Flashbacks end, because the new Penny apparently causes diabeetus wherever she goes. (When was the last time someone could just pick Yang up like that?)

Ambrosius is apparently not that impressed to be summoned again so soon by the same people. Yang opens the problem statement with an executive summary: they want portals from multiple points in Atlas (and Mantle) to a single point in Vacuo. Why Vacuo, basically halfway a wasteland? Why not Mistral, which seems like it would have more space and resources for Remnant's biggest-ever refugee crisis? Probably because the show hasn't been to Vacuo yet.

Ambrosius requests additional details on the location and construction of the portals, as well as a 'central location' to bridge the multiple Atlas-side portals to the single Vacuo-side portal. Yang suggests using 'a place like these Vaults' as the central location, for security reasons: this way, the Grimm or affiliated agents can't get to it and cause havoc. Ambrosius calls them "either smarter or much more foolish than you realise" before asking for portal network specs, which Weiss provides.

Meet your Central Location, now with portals, and bridges between them. Matching portals appear throughout the Atlas subway system and the Crater beneath. Joanna sticks her hand through, doesn't lose it, and takes the plunge to traverse entirely. This is, of course, safe; she soon returns to the Crater. Meanwhile, Weiss narrates a bit more of how it works.

None of Team RWBY+P notice the portal immediately behind them until Ambrosius points out that the Creation is done. Penny's mechanical body, now the previous Creation project, dissipates into Relic mist. Penny is dead, long live Penny.

As they leave, Ambrosius provides one last "dire warning" about the Central Location before he returns to hibernation: "Do not fall.". Well, really, you made it really easy to fall there. No floor apart from narrow meandering bridges, no walls, not even handrails.

The plan now, declares Ruby, is that they go to Vacuo "and hope we've thought of everything", the last part of which is narration over a shot of Cinder bloody Fall among the soon-to-be-refugees in the subway, which really gives me a bad feeling.



Next time: (external screaming)
 
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Ambrosius isn't sure what would be left of Penny without her existing robotic parts. That's easy, says Blake: Penny would be left. Ruby comes equipped with the knowledge that Ambrosius cannot destroy, and Yang is well-placed to state that the mechanical parts of Penny are just "extra" to her soul.

This is very much a desperation move on the teams part, although I suspect there was significant collaboration with Ozpin off screen, who is possibly Remnants expert on all things soul and aura related. I will note that I had it much easier than a lot of people to accept that a soul would manifest as the person herself. Around this time, Final Fantasy 14 was in the Shadowbringers expansion, where this was a major plot point for how the main cast manifested on another world. Given how Monty got his start, it's oddly appropriate that a later work would have similar plot and world elements. (This also applied in reverse. I headcanon Aura into a lot of video games where the players and enemies have health bars that essentially leaves them unhurt until it runs out. :p )
 
Now back inside, where the Ace Ops charge for Qrow and Robyn, but don't get far because Marrow Stays them all. Don't ask me how he's managing three targets. Actually, you can, but my answer will be "the power of friendship". It is nigh-certain that the four of them met at the lift and somehow got convinced that they were all on the same side now.
I mean he did Stay an entire crowd at Robyn's rally last season.
 
the streets of Atlas are full of Grimm again because he diverted the air force from killing Grimm to shooting down the evac fleet.

You know, I always assumed it was just that the army had failed to stop them from getting into the city to some degree, but this... this makes sense... DAMMIT IRONWOOD.

The population of Atlas, still sheltering underground, are not at all reassured by the actions of their dictator, which is probably drawing in even more Grimm.

Turns out the public is not reassured by his platform of 'I'll kill your neighbours, because then no one will have a reason to defy my will' accompanied by his utter uselessness at protecting the public.

And if you thought that was bad, witness the scenes in the Crater: as the announcement ends, Fiona finally thinks through enough to drop the Scroll on which the Happy Huntresses were watching it. (They are not happy now. They are, in fact, quite distressed.)

Also, remember the racist old lady? She's in the background next to the nice soup faunus guy, having clearly recognized that racism was a tool to distract from the class war, and she wasn't in the Rich People class.

two officers don't dare not salute as Ironwood and Winter walk past.

The way they react too. They clearly aren't just doubting Ironwood and trying to hide it, they are legitimately afraid of him. (I love RWBYs body language. One of the real strengths of the animation style, and one I hope they keep at Viz.|

Vine thinks this is Hard Man Making Hard Decisions (of which he approves)

An interesting bit with Vine is how he tries to present himself as the 'logical one' and thus, everyone else is being illogical or childish for not listening to reason. But like many people who take this approach, he automatically assumes that his position is Right and Logical by default, and then refuses to consider any arguments that might possibly question his position. Which is why, even when his CO has committed treason and dereliction of duty several times over, we get him her dismissing the heroes as 'children being unreasonable.'

By Winter's reaction it seems that she also thought he was bluffing.

The desperate hope that Ironwood hasn't completely abandoned sanity and reason... Continues to be in vain.

"This is how we save Atlas," declares Ironwood without a shred of supporting evidence,

Just believe he knows what he's doing, and that he isn't screaming internally in horror and doesn't want to think about the lack of shields around the island to keep the air and heat in! He totally knows what he's doing, saving the flying island of Atlas via the direct murder of half the population!

As he walks away, Winter knocks him down and arrests him, which is probably forgivable even if it's not a trick to get him to an escape point because Ironwood was about half a second from shooting him in the head Sleet-style.

Nah. At least Sleet was facing him. Marrow was walking away from him. Ironwood defenders like to make excuses of Ironwood being threatened to justify Oscar and Sleet, but in this case, they have to default to 'bad out-of-character writing'. (They have to do that with a LOT of Ironwoods appearances.)

Also note the Ace Ops faces and body language here. Elm is terrified, Vine is bluescreening at undeniable proof that there's no logic to what Ironwood is doing, and Harriet... is watching VERY closely. She's always been a creature of emotion, despite her claims, and even if only for a moment... If Ironwood went for the kill shot after Winter had Marrow secure, I think she might just have reacted in ways that would surprise her. Sadly, she had time afterwards to justify it to herself, just like with Sleet.

In the dining room where Jacques Schnee was being interrogated about treason not forty hours ago,

It has been a LONG DAY.

Ruby has again succumbed to ambient pessimism and thinks there are no options. Emerald agrees, acerbically, which nearly gets Yang to start a fight

I don't even think Emerald was trying to start a fight, she was just being realistic to try and contribute. Whoops.

Oh no Ruby. The past day has crushed her spirits. All she can think of is that nothing has changed since then: they're "arguing about what to do while the kingdom waits to die".

Except, while she can't see it right now, they have achieved important victories in that day. The world knows about Salem, in a way that can't be undone. The people of Mantle, while not out of danger, have been kept safe and relatively secure. Oscar destroyed the Whale, delaying and hampering Salems plans for Atlas, YRA got him out safely, plus Emerald, who can, in the long term, possibly provide insight into the dynamics and politics of Salems inner circle. They removed Hazel as a threat. Ironwood is losing his grip on the military. And on the personal level, they've got Whitley and potentially the SDC to call on. They've had setbacks. Several are injured. But their victories still outweigh the defeats.

But you can't really blame Ruby for being bitter about their achievments. After all, this crisis started when, during the heating shutdown, she made the choice to trust Ironwood. He repaid that trust with treason against his government, forcing her to openly take charge of the heroes again. She had Salem directly imply she was responsible for her mothers death, or worse, IN THE MIDDLE OF IRONWOODS BREAKDOWN, forcing her to push that aside and try and focus on the task at hand. She's seen Nora and Penny horribly injured, she's seen the horror of the Hound, including its secret and all that implies, and after all that, when she dared to get some hope back, Ironwood pulls this shit.

Fortunately, Ruby isn't alone.

Yang attempts to comfort her, but Ruby flees the room and Yang has to run after her.

See? Apply one big sister at sufficent velocity.

Ren makes about the best possible move: apologising to both of them.

I adored this whole scene. From Ren's admitting his flaws and mistakes, in a way that isn't about self hate but recognizing how he needs to do better, Nora's uncertainty about so many things and Ren responding maturely, the two of them TALKING and not just Nora forcing a big damn kiss on Ren that doesn't resolve anything, to Jaune 'smoothly' extracting himself from the conversation.

Also, the boop. As one of the early songs pointed out, 'Boop' was always Nora saying 'I Love You.'

They nearly have a shouting match outside a lift over Qrow's fixation on murdering Ironwood vs Robyn thinking that's too risky. Fortunately there's nobody to hear them.

It's an interesting contrast of priorities. Qrow is focused on the man who betrayed him, whose foolishness brought about the situation that cost Clover his life. Robyn is still focused on the larger picture of Mantle. Killing Ironwood won't actually remove the threat. The only real way to do that is removing the bomb from the equation. Disarm Ironwood, THEN remove him from power or kill him

Yang fails her emotional damage save and collapses in tears.

Can't blame her in the slightest.

Now Yang goes super-risky by bringing up Summer Rose's last known risk. "...But she's still my hero."

One way or another, she's still super-mum, slayer of grimm and baker of cookies.

Emerald adds her own tethering,

This right here? This is the moment Emerald truly chose a side.

Penny's thought process is that if she dies now, with the hack in the back seat, she can make sure Ruby gets the Maidenship. Nobody is willing to do it, they just all stare wide-eyed in disbelief that the situation has become this bad.

On top of that, there's a painful defiance to Watts defiling of her body. If she must die, it'll be on her own terms. I can understand that. I HATE it, but I understand it.

This is Emerald's cue for her own attempt at a motivational speech (did you forget Emerald was there? I managed to!): this is a war, there will be setbacks, keep fighting anyway because she'll be incredibly angry (but she got V8's swear word quota for that) if they give up as soon as she "switched sides". Then everybody picks up on "switched sides" and she goes a little tsundere about it.

Let's be fair, even the motivational speech was a bit tsundere.

Neo waltzes up to him and points her sword at Cinder, who evidently accepted her demands.

Neo going anywhere near Cinder after screwing her over just demonstrates Neo's dumbassery. Cinder is just WAITING for the opportunity to flambe a 'disloyal little minion', you know it.
 
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Nah. At least Sleet was facing him. Marrow was walking away from him. Ironwood defenders like to make excuses of Ironwood being threatened to justify Oscar and Sleet, but in this case, they have to default to 'bad out-of-character writing'. (They have to do that with a LOT of Ironwoods appearances.)
If a character is consistently written a certain way, that's just their character, intended or not... And in Ironwood's case it's obviously intended. By the third attempted murder, you'd think the pattern would be clear.
 
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If a character is consistently written a certain way, that's just their character, intended or not... And in Ironwood's case it's obviously intended. By the third attempted murder, you'd think the pattern would be clear.

I mean, those people tend to claim Ironwoods political ambitions and loyalty issues came out of nowhere at the end of V7, so... *shrug*
 
I mean he did Stay an entire crowd at Robyn's rally last season.
Which I entirely forgot about, yay me! Apart from that, the times Marrow Stays things (before now) have all been single targets (Weiss, Weiss' summon, Penny) or easily mistaken for single targets (the Centinel pair), so if one forgets about the rally crowd (like I did), 'single target' appears to be an accurate mental model.

You mean trying to do everything yourself instead of working as a group is a bad thing? Who would have thought
Ironwood you idiot, this is a show about teamwork!

You know, I always assumed it was just that the army had failed to stop them from getting into the city to some degree, but this... this makes sense... DAMMIT IRONWOOD.
On reflection, it's probably half-and-half or so. "DAMMIT IRONWOOD." still applies.

(I can't even take credit for this one - I think I got the idea from a fanfic that I'll probably be mentioning soonish.)

Ironwood defenders like to make excuses of Ironwood being threatened to justify Oscar and Sleet, but in this case, they have to default to 'bad out-of-character writing'. (They have to do that with a LOT of Ironwoods appearances.)
If a character is consistently written a certain way, that's just their character, intended or not... And in Ironwood's case it's obviously intended. By the third attempted murder, you'd think the pattern would be clear.
Well, yeah, a character can't be OOC for the majority of their canonical screen time, by definition.

See? Apply one big sister at sufficent velocity.
You had the name of this forum front-of-mind, didn't you.

Also, the boop. As one of the early songs pointed out, 'Boop' was always Nora saying 'I Love You.'
That's adorable.

Let's be fair, even the motivational speech was a bit tsundere.
On reflection, it rather was.

Neo going anywhere near Cinder after screwing her over just demonstrates Neo's dumbassery. Cinder is just WAITING for the opportunity to flambe a 'disloyal little minion', you know it.
Nah, see, Cinder's had a mental break and learned her lesson about being in a show about teamwork.

{{...no, I can't say that with a straight face given my posting buffer.}}
 
V08C13 Worthy

V08C13 Worthy


Return of the epilepsy warning. I wonder what this one will be for.

Oscar has just finished asking what to do now when Ambrosius summons a portal behind Team ALPN+E. Unlike Team RWBY+P, they notice immediately.

Without any way to broadcast instructions, Ren suggests that instead they traverse the portals to deliver the message on foot. Emerald voices what most of them are thinking: Are they actually portals? Jaune is voluntold to find out.

Jaune apparently does no better with portals than aircraft. Being Jaune is still suffering.

The others head on through without even wondering whether Jaune might or might not be in any state to return. They're all fine, fortunately, and all five marvel at the Central Location.

Jaune assigns himself and Nora as messengers and directs the others to stick to the plan. Ren wonders whether that's enough messengers, to which Nora reminds him that "a Kingdom's worth of negativity" will need a lot of reassurance as they pass through here.

Team ALPN+E disperse. Nobody has had the opportunity to give them the "Do not fall." message, so Jaune and Nora use air travel to get to other portals faster.



This subway station now has the honour of the most people doing the 'peer from behind implausibly small cover' joke simultaneously that I've ever seen. Some guy gets voluntold to figure out what the h*ck this thing is - it's kind of unsettling. He makes the smart choice to throw a rock at it rather than touching it, with the unfortunate consequence that the rock hits Jaune in the face just after he (Jaune) passes through. Everyone dives back behind cover, than cautiously peers out again when Jaune doesn't retaliate. Jaune's a good guy like that.



Team RWBY+P now have their turn to witness the Central Location. It is after everyone else's turn: not just Team ALPN+E but also the Happy Huntresses are moving people through portals and along bridges towards the exit portal. That exit portal opens up shortly outside the main city limits of Vacuo, giving people a bit of space to disperse (rather than being sardined) but still in comms range from Vacuo's tower. ...Actually, hole in this plan: how sure is anybody that Vacuo still exists in any state to receive this influx of refugees, rather than having been given the Vale treatment at some recent point?

There is an even more immediate hole in the plan, as Emerald, Oscar, and Ren discover when they are first through the exit portal: this bit of near-Vacuo is currently in the grip of an intense sandstorm. There is no visibility of e.g. Vacuo proper, no comms to alert them of anything, and the refugees who are now starting to pour through are not equipped for a sandstorm and will start having acute health problems pretty fast.

There is a still more immediate problem back in the Central Location: Cinder has just announced her presence pyrotechnically, knocking multiple civilians off a mid-bridge platform to an uncertain but doubtlessly dire fate. Team RWBY+P were just about to head through the exit gate; Blake tells Penny to take the Staff through while the rest of them handle it. Penny looks torn.

Team RWBY arrive on another platform, with the aid of Ruby's Semblance, in time to mitigate Cinder's next act of flamethrowing. "Your little friend Oscar was right," Cinder taunts them, "but the easy part ends here." This concerns me a little w.r.t. what Cinder thinks Oscar was right about and how she knew it. It concerns Team RWBY as well, judging by the looks they trade. Cinder taunts them about that, prompting Ruby to open the fight.



Meanwhile in Mantle Flashback to Mantle, where Cinder, Neo, and Watts are having a surprising non-argument over a robot trooper carcass. Cinder, in particular, is displaying a shocking amount of contrition, possibly due to Neo holding her at parasol-hidden-sword-point.

Oh gods oh h*ck they're going to ask Jinn what the protagonists are planning.

Jinn looks shocked, but can't not answer. Reprise the planning flashbacks from last Chapter but with these three watching; Cinder looks quite betrayed to see Emerald there.

Cut forward to these three hatching their counterplan (oh no, Cinder has learned teamwork), starting with a massacre at military command. Cinder and Neo continue on, leaving Watts to shut down broadcasting at the worst possible moment (called it!) and otherwise do whatever he likes.



Elsewhere, Elm, first to be cuffed by Qrow and Robyn, is aghast at Creation being repurposed: "They'll destroy the Kingdom!". Robyn chides her about getting the Kingdom's land confused with its people as Harriet and Vine also get cuffed. Careful, Harriet's a menace even with her arms tied to her sides.

Things get a bit more tense as another robot strolls into the hangar (subtitled "=" for some reason). Watts is manually controlling this one, and sets it to something that looks way too much like a self-destruct and run into the group. It refuses to be dissuaded by ranged attacks in the extremely limited time available. Marrow ends up running in to tank most of the blast. He succeeds, at the cost of his Aura and consciousness (both broken).

Atlas now begins to tilt noticeably as the emergency flight systems really start straining - the contents of the hangar start sliding towards the open door. To make matters worse, neither Harriet nor Vine actually got completely cuffed before the robot explosion just now; with Qrow and Robyn still a bit dazed from the explosion, Harriet dashes into an aircraft and starts it up, and Vine narrowly manages to grab the rear cargo door as it leaves. By the look Qrow and Robyn just gave each other, I'm guessing that's the one with The Bomb still on it.



Ironwood wakes up in a cell. Jacques can't make up his mind whether he's taunting Ironwood or commiserating with him in the most acidic way possible; regardless, it's probably driving Ironwood even further off the deep end, if that's possible.

We might find out: the 'door' to Ironwood's cell flickers ominously for seconds on end before finally giving up. He walks out into the cellblock. Jacques expects to be let out also. He has just long enough to realise what horrors he set in motion the day before yesterday as Ironwood reassembles his cannon (that somebody, probably Winter, foolishly left there instead of detouring via evidence lockup), points it at Jacques, and charges a shot. (The cannon is assembled partially from Ironwood's two handguns, meaning that it is the fabled gun-gun.)

So ends Jacques Schnee. He died as he lived: a light shone upon James Ironwood's bad decisions.



Cinder doesn't need to put much work in to fend off Team RWBY. She now gets around to namedropping Jinn - no security concerns, the questions really are all used up now - and gloats about how they taught her the lesson of teamwork as Neo approaches, shedding her disguise along the way.

{{Foreknowledge is a curse. I remain comfortably seated in my comfy chair, 35 bpm above my resting heart rate and starting to shake a bit.}}

Ruby very nearly gets stabbed in the back, or perhaps the front as Yang screams her name and gets her to turn. Just like Marrow, Yang runs in and tanks it. Just like Marrow, it costs Yang her Aura and consciousness, and she goes flying. Unlike Marrow, Yang has far less floor off which to bounce; she runs out after the first.

Blake throws her weapon (holding the ribbon), but comes agonisingly short of being able to hook Yang with it. Yang falls past a couple more bridges and into the void, and disappears in golden motes. That's, uh, that's bad. That's really bad.

Blake's anguished scream catches the attention of Penny, metres short of the exit portal. Penny decides that the situation here is not in hand.

Ruby is snapped out of her shock by Neo starting another attack run, and has to focus on defending herself. Weiss can't help because she's busy at the platform edge restraining Blake from literal suicide. I hate to think what Cinder's doing up there on her Maiden vortex.

Blake snaps past suicidal anguish into homicidal rage and heads for Neo. Neo turns out to be an illusion that shatters at the business end of Blake's weapon: Ruby v Neo has migrated up a bridge. Blake heads that way. Meanwhile, Weiss is doing her best to battle Cinder. Weiss is dismayed to hear Penny enter the field in her favour.

Cinder knocks Penny around. Weiss skates up a bridge to see what she can do to help. Cinder, prevented from pursuing Penny by a gravity Glyph, turns her attention to Weiss, summoning a deadly sharpened hailstorm. Weiss could deal with that if she didn't have a set of entry portals as her backstop, which is probably what Cinder was thinking. Weiss manages to block most of the attack, and most of what's left pours out an entry portal for Jaune to have to block instead, cluing him in to something going terribly wrong in there. No civilians are hit that I can see, but Weiss has no time to appreciate that because Cinder is priming eruptions on the shards that hit near Weiss' feet, just like the old days. Ouch.

Weiss catches herself on a gravity Glyph, but she's visibly tired. That doesn't bode well either. Fortunately Penny has returned to occupy Cinder's attention.

Blake can see all three of these things (Weiss; Cinder vs Penny; Ruby vs Neo) and is stuck in decision paralysis, unable to determine which next potential tragedy she should intervene in first.



In Mantle, people are still heading into entry portals. Above Mantle, Harriet is being harried by a warning that I'm guessing is 'rear cargo door can't close'. She sets the autopilot and goes to investigate.

The rear door has now closed, Vine having managed to get inside. Harriet orders him to keep a lookout while she arms The Bomb. Vine, instead, grabs her hand to stop her from arming The Bomb and expresses doubts.

Vine has applied all the logic he thinks he has to the situation and has arrived at the conclusion that with Ironwood effectively deposed, Atlas falling, and the population evacuating, dropping The Bomb on what's left no longer makes sense. Harriet remains fixated on The Plan and "loyalty" (Ironwood's definition). Harriet plays the Clover card; Vine doesn't share her opinion that Clover was infallible.

Vine puzzles out that Clover was "important to you". Harriet breaks.

Robyn rams the aircraft to try to push it off course, which is a thing that only works in fiction where aircraft aren't flimsy at air travel speeds. Harriet unbreaks, arms The Bomb, opens the door (Vine falls out), and heads back to the flight deck. Dammit, so close!

Vine manages to grab one of those weird stylistic protruding struts hanging off the rear of the aircraft in the style of Star Trek warp nacelles. Robyn breaks off from pushing Harriet's aircraft to drop back and pick up Vine.

Meanwhile, Harriet disengages autopilot and stays the course for Mantle. Suddenly, bird strike! To be more specific, Qrow through the windscreen! Both end up with so much momentum they roll to the back of the flight deck and fall down the hatch back into the cargo bay. "Looks like you're getting that fight after all," says Qrow right before Harriet kicks him off her. Dammit, don't monologue until you've definitely won!

Meanwhile in military command, Watts remotely reactivates the autopilot. Joyful. Just joyful. (/s, in case it wasn't obvious)



Out the front of the Creation Vault, Winter is trying to contact literally anyone to get a status update. Nobody can answer, presumably because Watts is blocking calls. The sound of the lift down to the vault is accompanied by a laser pointer that, after initially aiming over Winter (so she can see it), settles on her torso; she just manages to block most of the shot with a Glyph.

Yep, that's Ironwood. He's gone so far past mad he's arrived back at mad, and he's got a score to settle with Winter. He asserts that he is the Kingdom and there's no line he won't cross to recapture Creation.
"So consider this my last order. Step aside."

(hauls herself off the floor) "I've never wavered in fighting the enemies of this Kingdom." (adopts fighting stance) "And I won't start now."
Ironwood actually sheds a tear at this final betrayal (or 'betrayal'). Then the fight starts and there's no time for thinking, just for doing.



In extra-sandy-right-now-Vacuo, Ren's Aura breaks and the mass-masking stops. Emerald wants to know where Penny is to Maiden away the sandstorm, which makes Oscar realise that per the evacuation timetable, Penny is long overdue.

Oscar hurtles back through the exit gate - but actually he bounces off it. His shocked confusion is cut through by Ozpin cutting in in his mind with "Oh dear, Ambrosius." Flashback to Weiss speaking the dooming word[s?] while she had the portal network specs up:
"People enter from Atlas and Mantle on one side, and leave on the other side with a one-way ticket to Vacuo."
one-way ticket to Vacuo."
And now the Grimm of Vacuo are here. There's nothing to do but fight them.

The absolute credits music dissonance. Also, this Chapter ties for largest voice cast (27).

Huh, where was the subject of the epilepsy warning? Probably the portal travel shots; Jaune, in particular, got a good second or so of focus in there.



Next time: (external screaming with bonus crying)
 
(I love RWBYs body language. One of the real strengths of the animation style, and one I hope they keep at Viz.|
Oh wait, we have confirmation of more RWBY? It hasn't ended with the current season?
Cinder has just announced her presence pyrotechnically, knocking multiple civilians off a mid-bridge platform to an uncertain but doubtlessly dire fate.
*Looks at next season*
Now I'm wondering a few things. I'd forgotten they fell off the platform.
 
Oh wait, we have confirmation of more RWBY? It hasn't ended with the current season?

Viz Media confirmed about two weeks ago, via an announcement by Kerry and Barb, that they have full ownership of the rights. While v10 is not yet greenlit, everyone involved is confident and there are some indications the lack of announcement on production restarting is mostly because they're still unpacking, as it were. (Kerry only finished up at the closing down Rooster Teeth last week, for example.)

The big thing for me is that Viz has control over the merchandise. That's where the money comes from in this day and age, and it was always something RT struggled with in terms of quality and decent prices, to say nothing of international shipping.
 
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