It's not wrong to make Friends in the Dungeon (Danmachi / Sanctioned [Worm])
Dungeon distinctly recognizes monster-like beings it can not command. And if it could command Lili in a monster disguise, that's arguably worse.
Yes, rather she has seen it. Why else might Aiz and QA go together into the Dungeon?
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I mean the situation is not entirely Soma's fault. The entire racketeering thing came from the familia captain, Zanis Lustra.I wonder how will they deal with Soma familia, will they outright steal Lily with a curse or will they give her something that she will use to raze Soma familia to the ground.
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- A single human dimension
- Pronouns
- She/Her
With classes starting up again in about two weeks, I'm transitioning to new chapters every 2-3 days instead of every 0.75-2 days. I need to get some pre-class studying and general prep out of the way to help ensure the updates don't totally cease during the semester.
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- Terra-Luna
I wonder how will they deal with Soma familia, will they outright steal Lily with a curse or will they give her something that she will use to raze Soma familia to the ground.
It's a curious scenario, certainly. We have a leading god noted for his sheer, overwhelming apathy, and a captain under him who can charitably be described as scum. Soma isn't the one really running the Soma Familia because he doesn't care enough to do so; deferring completely to a monumental asshole who behaves as one might expect of someone holding great power with little concern for accountability sees said Familia become the thoroughly unpleasant thing that we know. So, in taking care of the issue, QA and company need either deal with the aforementioned asshole captain or get through to Soma himself. How might such occur? Zanis is a greedy, conniving shit, so QA probably won't be able to settle things "neatly" with him no matter what she might offer, with Zanis simply trying to extort more... but QA is also quite good at offering "encouragement" to accept, and capable enough that a would-be exorbitant price might be handed over without particular issue or even realisation of it to truly be so exorbitant in the first place... though I suspect that Zanis being his usual self would indeed be sufficient to see matters devolve, regardless, given the people involved. Alternatively, if Soma could be motivated, it might well simply eschew Zanis altogether. I wonder if QA could shock him into paying attention by chugging all of his wine, or something. The interaction between Taylor and the Fates also has me wondering if QA might strike up some sort positive relationship with Soma caring for QA helping him make his wine more easily, too.
That wasn't the point being addressed. Sure, Lili can assume that Aiz took up QA as an apprentice, but she had not heard of such already occurring; Lili's information through the rumour mill alleged that no one was getting accepted, but that information was inaccurate, so there might be yet more that Lili doesn't know. Lili might have simply not heard of recent or secretive developments yet.
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- Omega
You say that as if what you just said wasn't insane.
Updates every 2-3 days?
Wolfund
{Verified Historian}
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- France
bruh, before last week I hadn't updated shit in 9 months. Relax. Just enjoy the ride. And absolutely do not think about the pike and fire and angry mob of peasants that await you.
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- Mass
The about 8 peasants, now that I'm thinking about it I could probably fight them off, Gun>Pichfork.
I'll stop derailing the thread now.
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- Austin, Texas
(Random spooky thought, about should Administrator ever get into a fight with another person, and she didn't mind killing. Such as against Apollo familia.)
Luan didn't know where things went wrong, sure, they were meant to get the queen to start a fight, but it wasn't supposed to end like this, it should've just been a tavern brawl, not this!
The target of his terror was standing over the unconscious body of his captain, turning it to and fro, analyzing it for some reason, not like any of them brought any weapons or armor of particular value. What kept Luan from trying to escape were those two monsters, for they definitely weren't actual animals, cats staring at him, freezing him under their gaze. And even without the cats, he knew for a fact that there were many more things hiding in the shadows and on the rooftops.
Finally, Queen took notice of him, skipping on over to him with an unsettling grin over her face.
"Now, that wasn't very proper of you, to attack me unprovoked." Queen said.
Despite himself, Luan couldn't stop himself from spitting out a retort, "Y-you stupid bitch, you were the one who attacked first, we never laid a finger on you!"
What made it worse was that that was true, despite having a Level 3 amongst them, none of them, once the fighting had started, had managed to harm her, not even debris from destroyed furniture, or splashes of beer could be found on her person. Even when the fight moved out of the tavern, into the alleyway, not a speck of dust could be found on her.
"Well, it doesn't matter who started what, we were in a fight, and you saw things that my goddess commanded me to not reveal to anyone outside of our Familia."
At this, Luan could only gulp in terror, scooching as far away from the insane adventurer in front of him as he dared, hopefully, this small movement didn't cause the physical monsters to attack him.
"Y-you can't kill me! You can't kill any of us! If the Guild finds out, you, your goddess, and that little brat will be exiled!" Luan crowed, now confident that he had found something that could save his life.
At his declaration, Queen only looked confused. "Kill you? That was never the plan, why would you think that I would kill you?"
As the monsters prowled closer, Luan could only look at the monster known as Queen Administrator as she leaned in close to his face.
"Don't worry, soon, you, your Familia members, soon, you will all be my Friends."
Luan didn't know where things went wrong, sure, they were meant to get the queen to start a fight, but it wasn't supposed to end like this, it should've just been a tavern brawl, not this!
The target of his terror was standing over the unconscious body of his captain, turning it to and fro, analyzing it for some reason, not like any of them brought any weapons or armor of particular value. What kept Luan from trying to escape were those two monsters, for they definitely weren't actual animals, cats staring at him, freezing him under their gaze. And even without the cats, he knew for a fact that there were many more things hiding in the shadows and on the rooftops.
Finally, Queen took notice of him, skipping on over to him with an unsettling grin over her face.
"Now, that wasn't very proper of you, to attack me unprovoked." Queen said.
Despite himself, Luan couldn't stop himself from spitting out a retort, "Y-you stupid bitch, you were the one who attacked first, we never laid a finger on you!"
What made it worse was that that was true, despite having a Level 3 amongst them, none of them, once the fighting had started, had managed to harm her, not even debris from destroyed furniture, or splashes of beer could be found on her person. Even when the fight moved out of the tavern, into the alleyway, not a speck of dust could be found on her.
"Well, it doesn't matter who started what, we were in a fight, and you saw things that my goddess commanded me to not reveal to anyone outside of our Familia."
At this, Luan could only gulp in terror, scooching as far away from the insane adventurer in front of him as he dared, hopefully, this small movement didn't cause the physical monsters to attack him.
"Y-you can't kill me! You can't kill any of us! If the Guild finds out, you, your goddess, and that little brat will be exiled!" Luan crowed, now confident that he had found something that could save his life.
At his declaration, Queen only looked confused. "Kill you? That was never the plan, why would you think that I would kill you?"
As the monsters prowled closer, Luan could only look at the monster known as Queen Administrator as she leaned in close to his face.
"Don't worry, soon, you, your Familia members, soon, you will all be my Friends."
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Neruz
Rogue Spiderbanana
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- The Land of Fire and Poison
Soma is kind of a shit though; the reason for his apathy is that the literally divine drug he makes that is basically an alcoholic super-cocaine is too much for mortals to handle, so therefore he doesn't care about them.
It's like, he spends all his time and effort making the most euphorically potent and addictive drug he is capable of creating, and then when the poor fuckers in his familia end up turned into hopeless addicts he blames them for being unable to resist the lure of the drug that he deliberately designed to be as irresistible as possible and just writes them all off.
What the fuck dude?
Soma is in dire need of a good hard percussive attitude adjustment.
Czlyydwr Llrngwl
"Sell ya a door Learn gull," Czly/Celly for short
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- Where the Beef is
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- Any
It's not quite that, at least not as I understand it - he keeps the good stuff for himself, and is disgusted with everybody else, even the other gods, being so lacking in taste and discernment that they think the failed batches he leaves his familia to dispose of are any better than horsepiss mixed with diaper sauce and gutter scrapings. Which, yeah, is still a bit detached from realistic expectations, but some gods have less human perspectives than others, Freya being a frequently cited example in the thread. His focus is just on making the ideal wine, matching his divine mandate and portfolio, rather than collecting the shiniest souls. I don't remember much detail from later in the series canon, but he does get a bit better about handling his familia after his asshole captain gets dealt with, doesn't he? Or at least installs a non-asshole captain to get shit done instead of nodding and mumbling something dismissively agreeable at the first one to poke their head in and say "Yo, looks like I'm the captain now, we cool?" so he can get on with his work.
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- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
It's more that Lili resists his soma (the real stuff) because Bell, and as a result he gets a wake up call that mortals can actually have things they truly care about, and that he's been neglecting them.
Neruz
Rogue Spiderbanana
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- The Land of Fire and Poison
The man has been dedicating the totality of his godly knowledge and ability (whatever isn't sealed at any rate) to making the most euphorically addictive alcoholic super-drug he can possibly create, and then distributing it to the mortals in his familia and getting upset when they become addicted to the drugs he made.
That is basically like Freya deliberately hitting mortals with the full force of her Charm and then getting upset when they fall under its power and deciding that since no-one can resist her Charm, mortals must therefore not really care about anything, because if they really cared about something then they would be able to resist her Charm.
Which is dumb, because it's not that people don't care about things, it's that her Charm is just that powerful. Same with the Soma Wine; it's not that people are too weak, it's that the wine is too fucking strong. It's like giving a bunch of children ultra-meth and then blaming them when they lack the self-control to not become hopeless addicts; fucking duh, of course 99.9% of people are going to get addicted to your ridiculous wine Soma, you're a fucking God of Wine and you deliberately set out to make the most potent and amazing wine you could possibly produce. What the fuck were you expecting to happen?
That is basically like Freya deliberately hitting mortals with the full force of her Charm and then getting upset when they fall under its power and deciding that since no-one can resist her Charm, mortals must therefore not really care about anything, because if they really cared about something then they would be able to resist her Charm.
Which is dumb, because it's not that people don't care about things, it's that her Charm is just that powerful. Same with the Soma Wine; it's not that people are too weak, it's that the wine is too fucking strong. It's like giving a bunch of children ultra-meth and then blaming them when they lack the self-control to not become hopeless addicts; fucking duh, of course 99.9% of people are going to get addicted to your ridiculous wine Soma, you're a fucking God of Wine and you deliberately set out to make the most potent and amazing wine you could possibly produce. What the fuck were you expecting to happen?
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- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
He wasn't. Dude is basically an autistic savant.
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- Terra-Luna
Right. Some gods are relatable. Ishtar was largely motivated by all too human jealousy, for instance... but even she had some views about the "holy" aspect of intimate relationships of every sort that could also come across as just plain odd by the standards of some cultures. Hestia herself too holds great regard for the sanctity of wholesome family, something also understandable, and thinks the idea of "reacquiring" reincarnated souls a millennium or twelve later to be endearingly sweet. Apollo likes to collect fine things; he also considers his Familia to be little different from an art gallery. The gods are immortal, eternal beings who have been shaped by their experiences and natures. In many ways, they're simply alien. Applying human standards to them is as accurate as applying the standards of classic fantasy elves to real-world humanity; there is some overlap, but for all that some similarities are indeed shared, they are two quite distinct categories that ought not be considered one and the same.
Soma comes across as apathetic, but apathy born of contempt and disgust when explored further, as by his own standards, near everyone else is entirely deserving of such contempt for their obsessive lust for his wine that sees them throw away their very humanity and lives for a taste of something that they don't even appreciate properly; it's sheer madness, and a disappointing annoyance at that, one which always plays out the exact same, so he took to just ignoring it. When Lili actually cared about something else even after tasting his perfect craft in canon, she essentially raised the idea to him that there was a possibility that the mortal world might not necessarily just be a realm of complete degenerates repeating the same inevitably depressing tale, that there might be something worthwhile out there beyond the tedium of unending boredom making wine for no one. If the likes of Dionysus or some such also descended and gave him some company who appreciated his work and could critique it, or something, we might see a drastic change in him, which I think might actually be a direction taken in this fic, with QA, Taylor, and their Friends able to so over-thoroughly analyse it while also likely not valuing wine at all no matter how tasty it might be. If Zanis gets punted into the next time zone (or eaten)and Soma's soma gets subjected to sub-atomic analysis with recommendations for more modern machinery to aid the process and to perhaps explore into making champagne and coordinate with some harvest gods to get better source crop, the Soma Familia might change virtually overnight. Or it might just all become a big alcohol fire. That too. Hell, if QA rolls a natural 20, Soma might just light the match himself and go back to the heavens of his own accord, because he doesn't seem any happier or entertained as things are now.
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Neruz
Rogue Spiderbanana
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- The Land of Fire and Poison
That does not protect him from a good hard smack upside the head for the stupids.
Dionysus did descend, but he has nothing to do with wine for major plot-related spoiler reasons.
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- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
... And what exactly would you expect that to change in him? You'd just be hurting him with no cause or reason. Especially not one that he could conceive of.
For example: that super-meth you keep focusing on? To him it's nothing but an utterly disappointing failure. There's no good reason to find the stuff anything but that most damning of things: adequate. Anyone who could lose themselves to such rampant mediocrity was already going to lose themselves to something or other: the very fact they couldn't see the obvious truth in front of themselves when confronted with it shows just how self-demeaning they all are. Addicted? To that trashy waste of space? Who could possibly respect such things?
And it kept happening. Over, and over, and over. Until finally one day someone shows him that even his perfect product isn't as great as he thinks it is, and makes him realize that he's made a mistake.
"Percussive calibration" isn't going to do anything but make him realize you're an utter moron just like the rest of the trash.
Dopplerdee
Accident Prone(Yes the caps are necessary)
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- Happy Place
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- She/Her
Here to remind you that Lilli was in fact an actual child when he did yhis too her.
He does have a wine cellar.
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- Singapore
Dionysus is already down on the planet and has a Familia and is residing on Orario. His objectives however are in the realm of Sword Oratoria Spoilers.... that QA might just rejoice over come to think of it.
JadeKaiser
Uninspired Custom Title
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- Under Your Bed
Now I may be wrong, as this is second hand, but wasn't Soma's issue less disgust for the people who got addicted and more depressed apathy? Like, he came down for his vacation and wanted to just make awesome wine, get some mortal friends, and chill out with them while showing off his favorite hobby. But then all his new mortal friends just kept getting addicted and losing all grasp of themselves every time, and each time he got more and more depressed until he just kind of gave up on the 'mortal friends' bit and decided to let them do their thing. He could at least still do the 'make awesome wine' part, after all.
No, I'm pretty certain I remember that it was just the perfected stuff that was super addictive to mortals. The failed stuff is what they sell to other people outside the familia for a mint, because it's "only" the best wine on the planet besides the perfected stuff. It's still in "almost dangerously good" territory, but not the "literally tastes so good that for humans it might as well be super meth" territory of the stuff that they never let out of the familia.
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Neruz
Rogue Spiderbanana
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- The Land of Fire and Poison
The thing is; Soma seems to be the only god that is upset about mortals falling victim to his divine power, every other god just goes 'yep, that happens' and moves on. They might find the occasional mortal that can resist their power particularly interesting, but they don't get sad about the fact that the vast majority of mortals cannot resist their power. Soma on the other hand apparently found the concept that mortals were unable to resist his divine power to be an unexpected surprise. (And as a god of wine, the wine he brews is effectively his power.)
The only reasons I can come up with for Soma to be the one single god to be surprised at the discovery that mortals have great difficulty resisting the power of gods is that he is either an idiot who needs a smack upside the head and a good talking to, or an apathetic asshole who just doesn't give a shit in need of many smacks upside the head and a boot up the ass. That mortals cannot resist his power, even with most of it bound, should have been blatantly obvious; it was to literally every other god. Freya isn't disappointed with her Familia because every single one of them fell to her Charm and is hopelessly in love with her, she is disappointed with them (except for Ottar) for entirely different reasons, but not because they were unable to resist her Charm.
The only reasons I can come up with for Soma to be the one single god to be surprised at the discovery that mortals have great difficulty resisting the power of gods is that he is either an idiot who needs a smack upside the head and a good talking to, or an apathetic asshole who just doesn't give a shit in need of many smacks upside the head and a boot up the ass. That mortals cannot resist his power, even with most of it bound, should have been blatantly obvious; it was to literally every other god. Freya isn't disappointed with her Familia because every single one of them fell to her Charm and is hopelessly in love with her, she is disappointed with them (except for Ottar) for entirely different reasons, but not because they were unable to resist her Charm.
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- Salt Lake City, UT, USA
None of the other gods care that it happens. Not even Hestia. He's the only one who does, and he's the only one who is involved in it. He became apathetic after being confronted with how abjectly mortals fail to handle subpar products without losing their shit over them.
Remember: his wine isn't divinely made. That would require the use of his Arcanum. He's never made anything a mortal couldn't make. And that's still how they react to it. Yes, his craftsmanship is as close to actually being divine as it can be, but nevertheless it's made by mortal hands. There's no reason for them to lose their shit over it like it was the real thing.
He knows what the real thing is like and even his best is only a pale copy. The mortals are just... if they were worthy people they wouldn't be so affected by the stuff. It only affects them the way it does because none of them have anything they care about more than feeling a little bit of temporary pleasure. And how could you respect that? Especially when all you really care about is getting to make a quality product and have it respected for what it is.
Neruz
Rogue Spiderbanana
- Location
- The Land of Fire and Poison
Made by mortal hands, with divine knowledge. Yes, it is a shadow of what could be done with his full power, just as Freya's Charm is a shadow of what she would be capable of with her full power, that does not make it truly mortal though, only less divine.
Dopplerdee
Accident Prone(Yes the caps are necessary)
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- Happy Place
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- She/Her
Please remember Lily was an actual child when this occurred.