I suspect Taylor, daughter of Lit professor, might actually do pretty well in this world.

There is a premise of fic with such set: post-GM Taylor at aPGtE world without powers, but with a genre-savviness. On SB only, sorry. (OK, the author planned a ten premises, and it's one of already written, namely eighth. When all ten will be completed, there will be a poll to chose which one to continue.)
 
Mary Sue isn't a narrative that exists in the world, though; PGTE Names are the result of narratives that repeat themselves so many times as to be self-sustaining. The Black Knight is the Black Knight because there has been a Black Knight in Praes for as long as there has been a Praes; the first of the title may not have been Named as such, but by the time of the story there's now an established pattern of succession (Black Knight appoints a Squire, Squire takes over when the Black Knight dies, possibly by the Squire's own hand).

Some other Names don't have as much history behind them, or seem to be put together from multiple components (e.g. Bumbling Conjurer, as I'm pretty sure I remember a mention of "Bumbling" Names as a category; we don't have much evidence of piecewise Names beyond that, though), but "Mary Sue" would not be a Name. At most, if a spontaneously-appeared self-important generally-competent person established a new Name (by emphasizing "from another world") rather than fitting into an existing one ("general all-around luck and competence" already fits into plenty of Names), they might end up defining Outsider or Tourist or something.
 
Mary Sue isn't a narrative that exists in the world, though; PGTE Names are the result of narratives that repeat themselves so many times as to be self-sustaining.
The entire point of the Mary Sue SI is they warp all existing narratives to serve their own against all reason.

It doesn't matter at being self-sustaining in an in-setting context, because the Mary Sue SI doesn't need any of that. As such a character is backed by the most powerful narrative force of all; the author not giving a shit about the Lore
 
Even assuming the role of mentor would be dangerous.
A more experienced advisor or confidante to a young, inexperienced character, particularly to The Hero.

This character is better skilled, faster and more experienced than their student and they're passing those traits on to the student. They may have grown too old for the task or have their own job to do. Their role is to introduce a new skill or sharpen the current skills of their student, often hoping to pass the torch because they know their career is coming to an end. This character may die, so that their student can learn to stand on their own two feet.
 
A Name is character archetype that recurred so many times that the universe acknowledges it and empowers those it deems Named.

It's a bit like Terry Pratchett's theories on Stories. (Paraphrase) "It is now impossible for the youngest of three sons, whose two older brothers have gone out on a quest and failed, to NOT succeed."
 
The entire point of the Mary Sue SI is they warp all existing narratives to serve their own against all reason.

It doesn't matter at being self-sustaining in an in-setting context, because the Mary Sue SI doesn't need any of that. As such a character is backed by the most powerful narrative force of all; the author not giving a shit about the Lore
That's the difference between a decent author dropping a character in who fits the stereotype of a Mary Sue, and a bad author with their actual self-insert.

Any Named warps things around them to fit their narrative, sometimes with active conflict when two sufficiently savvy Named are involved in the same situation and disagree on what kind of tale they're telling. That doesn't justify a new Name in and of itself.

The world of PGtE follows narratives, but in-world there isn't any acknowledgement of an author. Above and Below exist, but they're bound by the story too.
 
I really want more of this. Admittedly partly because I just want more QA in general, but also because I'm curious as to the antics and hijinks QA will get up to in such a conceptual universe.

I haven't read PGTE, and the table of contents is rather intimidating, but it seems pretty interesting.
 
I still like this story better, myself, but if there's still QAylor bunnies a-hoppin' when it reaches a stopping point I wouldn't mind more of the APGTE version. But, well, Alivaril has a talent for making interesting characters, so that would probably be true for almost anything.
 
The world of PGtE follows narratives, but in-world there isn't any acknowledgement of an author. Above and Below exist, but they're bound by the story too.
The Narrative usually doesn't mention the mixture of gasses in the air, nor the components of the dirt on which they walk, but it's still important.

And who is more important to any Narrative than the author of it? It is their will that drives the plot, creates the names and sets up the Narrative. Speaking as someone that has written a million words of fiction, sometimes the story grows beyond what you wished to write, but that doesn't change my guiding hand. The Author may never appear in his/her/its story, but every aspect of that story has felt their touch.

Mary Sue could quite easily become a name; It may have only been coined recently in the history of stories, but the idea of an Idealized person has been around forever. Mary Sue is just her latest incarnation.
 
Mary Sue could quite easily become a name; It may have only been coined recently in the history of stories, but the idea of an Idealized person has been around forever. Mary Sue is just her latest incarnation.
But the Name wouldn't be Mary Sue. Maybe they would be the Informed Foreigner, or the Perfect Outsider, or the Wandering Busybody, or the Default Hero, but "Mary Sue" is a name, so it isn't a Name.
 
Literature Professor could easily be a Name, too, although it'd probably be called Sage of Stories or something. :V

What a Name is comes from the culture that Name formed in. The potential pool of Names a person can obtain in their life is derived by the culture they come from and the culture they regularly interact with (
See the part of the book where Hakram gets a Name
). I agree that the closest equivalent to Literature Professor that might already exist in PTGE would be something like a Sage, or possibly Loremaster, but for a person from our universe gaining a name by exemplifying the epitome of a Literature Professor, their Name wouldn't be something so anachronistic.

Thus, to derive a title Taylor's mother could potentially obtain, we need to find adjectives that describe famous, well, Literature Professors. The closest person I can think of who could qualify as 'engraving their role on reality' would probably be Tolkien, though I think he actually taught languages and just wrote as a hobby.
 
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So, I just caught up in a skim like manner, watching all the glorious clusterfucking that Queen has done in Taylor/Dreamer's body, and brief commentary wise; I can say this;
  • Odds of Queen wrecking Bell's conflict request, to the point of possible friendship/not?
  • Odd's of ending up meddling with other Goddesses? Ranging from Loki to Apollo...
    • In that regard, odds of horrible Friendship and understanding if Queen ends up 'knowing' Freya's madness far more than anyone else. In a "makes sense" camp.
  • Bar mr. Guild master doing derailment tier plans that are reaching into the 18th floor...
  • How long, until our eventual mutating Xenos arrives to Other/Queen, imprint wise. And will it be one of friendship, or potential assimilation/consumption desire?
  • By proxy. How long until the actual Dungeon core invites Queen/Other to a <Query> Tea party, once messages are sorted. Give or take, how long until a hypothetical exchange of [DATA] gives that trapped Dungeon ideas for being able to observe 'avatars' while still being caged?
    • >And if that crack serious. How long until the Dungeon's long term aim, may be from 'get out/conquer Earth', to 'get the Queen beside it, before it even does other long term goals?'
 
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AN: The next chapter is turning out to be rather long, so you get another APGt Administration chapter to help me feel like progress is being made. :p

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The Dread Empire of Praes' current Black Knight, Amadeus, was having an unusually productive and peaceful day with no noteworthy crises looming. That state of affairs automatically made him suspicious and wary. To become Named was to assume a role in the overarching story of Evil versus Good. That story abhorred a vacuum; if a day appeared as though it would pass without any problems, Creation would make problems. Even if it was something as minor as a fight between subordinates or tearing one's shirt and being ogled by passerby, something would happen.

Amadeus found himself relieved when a runner from Wekesa, the Warlock, requested Lord Black's presence 'At his earliest convenience.' That phrasing implied that the planned reintroduction of Masego to Creation had not gone as intended, but not disastrously so. The Black Knight took the time to finish the current chapter of a pre-Conquest Callowan fairy tale before setting out at a carefully unhurried pace.

As always, passing through the layered defensive wards leading into Warlock's tower let the Black Knight feel as though he was passing through a thin veil of water. Amadeus knew from cleanup reports that any true intruders would burst into flames before even managing to cross the threshold. Those who managed to survive and sidestep that particular defense would find even less pleasant fates waiting for them. Warlock's Name seemed particularly suited for horrifying defenses; the more terrible the fate, the easier it was for him to implement.

Amadeus hadn't been expecting what Wekesa wished to show him, though. The Warlock's adopted son, Masego, was nowhere to be seen and was presumably still in the artificial demiplane Wekesa had painstakingly placed between Creation, or the twisted chessboard of the gods, and Arcadia, the ephemeral realm of the fae. Amadeus wouldn't pretend to understand all the details; without the gift of magic, he was physically incapable of doing so.

However, that wasn't to say Wekesa's chosen laboratory was utterly devoid of children. A wide-eyed slip of a Callowan child — not even ten years of age, the Black Knight guessed — sat within a web of faintly glowing runes that Warlock continued tinkering with even as Amadeus walked in. Amadeus didn't recognize the exact array, but the red barrier formed by the arcane designs indicated it was obviously some manner of prison.

The disproportionately large presence of the girl herself immediately let Amadeus identify her as a would-be heroine — and more importantly, one seemingly as powerful as the Shining Prince killed during the Conquest of Callow. Or probably a heroine, at least. Those strengthened by the Gods Below seldom appeared at such a young age; it took a certain strength of will to grasp for one of Below's names and hold it against all challengers. In contrast, the Gods Above empowered those who'd shown themselves useful.

The overall result was that there were far more child-heroes than there were villainous counterparts. Amadeus always found it ironic that those who complained the most about killing children happened to be the same side that fielded more of them. As always, the sheer hypocrisy of heroes was infuriating.

"Child or not, you should know that caging a heroine is borderline madness," Amadeus noted aloud. "What justifies such an action?"

Wekesa opened his mouth to answer only to be interrupted by the Named herself. Unusual, that; if a heroic prisoner truly needed to be kept alive, then either unconsciousness or magically-enforced silence would be a necessity. Amadeus himself had to resist the urge to skewer the presumed heroine with a spear of shadows. Letting someone with such weighty words speak was seldom a good idea.

"It's closer to fencing than a proper prison," the girl answered in a monotone. "The barrier is vulnerable to overwhelming amounts of energy or force. The orders also have yet to be properly identity-locked; minor modifications by the contained could release the energy as a damaging surge in one or more directions."

Amadeus paused and quirked a questioning eyebrow at Wekesa. Mind control wasn't something Warlock usually dabbled in; it had a tendency to fail at the most inconvenient times possible. Was that just how the girl spoke, then? It wouldn't be anywhere near the strangest quirk Amadeus had seen among Named.

"She appeared in Masego's nursery without tripping any of the wards," Wekesa informed him, obviously irritated by both the girl and her interruption. "They still haven't detected her and I do not wish for her eradication when they do. The array is to ensure she remains alive."

Amadeus did have to admit that was a fairly good justification. Children making stupid decisions and paying the price was a tale almost as old as the gods themselves and rather neatly sidestepped the usual problems with keeping Named prisoner. As long as she wasn't kept inside for more than a few hours and they didn't plot her demise, Creation should accept the excuse without any problems. Assuming the girl herself didn't interfere, at least, and that was an assumption Amadeus had long since learned to reject. Still, better to risk one threat and learn of others than to kill the girl outright and never learn of any. The Dread Empire was overdue for a major (attempt at a) setback.

However, that didn't stop Amadeus from readying an attack the moment the girl turned wide brown eyes upon him.

"Black Knight is too narrow of a Concept to last indefinitely," she told him. "Consider switching to 'Black' or 'Knight' instead. You can include the warrior, morality, and light-based aspects as needed."

Wekesa ignored the child with the ease of one used to ignoring wailing experimental subjects, shrieking devils, and screaming devilish experimental subjects. Amadeus was not so reckless; children often made sense, if only to themselves, and one with as much weight as this girl would be nudging Fate down certain paths with every word she spoke. He wouldn't be surprised if she had a Name specifically devoted to 'predicting' the future — or, more accurately, forcing it to comply. Above was all too fond of insulting interventions and trying to steal a fight long after it'd clearly been lost. Bastards.

"She can't tell the difference between Creation, my Tower, and Masego's nursery," Wekesa said shortly. "As you can see, the rest seems nonsensical and she refuses to tell me her Name."

"Correction: My name is Taylor Hebert," the child rebuked. "That was the fourth time I have told you, Warlock, and the first time I have informed Black Knight. Supplementary information: The laws of your simulacrum seem to have enough errors to introduce minor inconsistencies. I recommend using real phenomena to calibrate it and locate any errors."

Wekesa looked up from his work and glared at the girl.

"I know my tower doesn't obey the same rules as Creation itself, child," Wekesa growled. "Part of the point is to determine what properties are a construction of Creation and which simply exist. I would thank you not to criticize my work without knowing what I intend."

Harsh tone or not, the fact that Wekesa was answering at all was rather telling. His patience for those he considered imbeciles was all-but nonexistent. Even if he hadn't expressly said anything, the fact that he'd sent for Amadeus also indicated Warlock wanted help determining what to do with her. Oh, they'd probably still need to kill her — turning a child to Evil seldom lasted more than a few years, and their near-inevitable return to the Gods Above tended to leave villains dead — but it was possible she wasn't truly a heroine after all or her mindset would allow a more permanent conversion. Unlikely, of course, but not impossible. Amadeus assumed a patient expression and kneeled just outside the outermost ring of runes.

"You might know 'Names' by another word," Amadeus began kindly. "Bestowals, Damnations—"

"My Concept?" the girl interrupted. "I already told Warlock. It's not my fault the simulacrum doesn't seem to allow large information transfers."

"You screeched at me," Warlock said tartly. "I'd hardly call that an answer. I am Warlock and you're perfectly capable of saying that Name without issues. Stop acting like an imbecile and tell us your own."

The girl blinked twice.

"Oh, you mean in human-speech. I believe I attached my identity tag to even that; you may need to fix your simulacrum or receivers. I am Queen Administrator."

Wekesa's movements stuttered while the clockwork machinery of Amadeus's Name and mind began working in earnest. That wasn't a Name either of them recognized, Black Knight was sure, but Callow hadn't exactly been successfully conquered before. The Gods Above usually placed a hand on the scale to support their minions, but they might be willing to step on the scale to undo the conquest of one of the foremost bastions of Good on the continent of Calernia. Amadeus would've been willing to swear that he'd systematically slain every last Fairfax and everyone who could possibly have a claim to their throne, yet Queen Administrator's obvious Callowan ancestry and the Queen part of her Name both indicated the existence of a story saying otherwise. A long-lost bastard from generations past, perhaps.

That didn't feel quite right, though. Queen or not, Named or not, she'd wandered into the capital of the Dread Empire of Praes without any visible discomfort whatsoever and Amadeus was still confident he could kill her without too much trouble. Her Name might be heavy, but it wasn't a focused sort of weight; she couldn't have had the Name for very long. Amadeus's entire career had shown the superiority of carefully applied power over brute force. A weapon was useless if its wielder used it recklessly.

Was it meddling by the Gods Below, then? An attempt to make their claim on Callow 'official' by introducing some manner of monarch? The Tower and Dread Empress of Praes would not appreciate the competition, Amadeus was sure, and it wasn't as though Callow was inexperienced with rebellions against false monarchs. Installing a puppet would be begging for trouble.

"I believe politeness obligates me to say it is a pleasure to meet you," Queen Administrator added. "But it hasn't. Masego was more fun; can I go back to discussing simulation mechanics with him? It was much more interesting than finding more holes in Warlock's fence. It needs improvement."

Amadeus almost expected Queen Administrator to die then and there. Warlock's specialty was warding. Hearing a slip of a child insult his works was the sort of thing he'd casually kill their caretakers for.

"The mere possibility of subordination is not a flaw," Wekesa snapped. "Usurpation is the essence of sorcery. The nature of reality ensures we cannot stake a claim without also allowing others a chance to make claims of their own. Most practitioners have not a tenth of your power; that array is more than adequate to hold them and I'm already aware it couldn't contain you."

Queen Administrator rather neatly demonstrated a lack of mind control by pouting. Apparently, the emotionlessness was just her default state of being.

"But I'm booooored," she whined. "At least Masego listened to me when I told him how to improve his works. You just get obstinate."

Amadeus decided to intervene again before Warlock felt it necessary to strangle the child with his bare hands. The promise of a possible asset could only carry one so far.

"If you wish to demonstrate your knowledge, perhaps you could start with why his wards don't recognize you?" Amadeus suggested. "If you'll recall, that is why he needs to keep you in there."

Queen Administrator's pout faded back into the kind of impassive visage Black Knight often wore himself.

"My leading hypothesis is one or more errors in your simulation," Queen Administrator informed them. "It seems capable of recognizing my existence, yet my identification is beyond its apparent limitations for information conveyance. This limitation ensures that targeted variables cannot establish a lock. The current 'ward' demonstrates that effects targeting an area without specifically targeting me will continue to work properly."

The girl paused and tilted her head to one side.

"This is your simulation, isn't it?" Queen Administrator questioned. "I apologize if I've been giving you feedback you can't act upon. I'd assumed Warlock made the current simulacrum, yet it seems to be missing a maker's mark."

Wekesa slowed to a stop and exchanged a look with Amadeus. Whatever she meant seemed to make sense to her, but the longer they picked at it, the more clueless they would seem and the better her chances of escaping or even defeating them in any conflict. Best to just eavesdrop on someone else as they tried learning what she knew.

"Instead of risking you stepping out, why don't we bring Masego in here?" Wekesa suggested.

Queen Administrator instantly brightened.

"That would probably be best. I'm still working on determining all the effects of local errors, but with his help, we could make Friends together!"

Amadeus made a mental note to have a few prisoners brought somewhere nearby; the emphasis on the word 'Friend' made it sound more like mind control. Villainously inclined mages were infamous for acting first and never having second thoughts, so it was best to have them practice on acceptable targets instead of whoever was closest.

…He should probably arrange to move the reserves of goblinfire out of the city, too. The last thing they needed was for Queen Administrator to try to see how the 'simulacrum' held up to magic-eating fire incapable of being doused until seven days had passed. Amadeus's work with the orphanages of Callow had made him well aware of how much children seemed to enjoy playing with fire; special fire might be too much to resist. It would be better to just remove the temptation entirely.
 
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You wrote more! Yes!

Can we petition for this to be a running side story? Practical Guide to Evil is great, and it meshes with Named Shards so well. Of course, the main story is still best. I love murder fluffs.
 
The whole world works on fairytale narratives. The gods of evil and good use mortals as catspawns in what amounts to a giant game or proxy war.
Okay... but why would QA see their world as a simulacrum then? That sounds like the world is real and the gods are just interfering which shouldn't cause that. Her words make it seem like the gods created a world isolated in a pocket dimension to simulate their game / experiments and didn't include all the usual physics or reality or something.
 
Mortals used as kittens? How odd.

It was meant to be read as a portmanteau of "catspaw" and "pawn", but your reading is simultaneously more fun, more amusing, and roughly equally accurate. So I'll allow it.

Okay... but why would QA see their world as a simulacrum then? That sounds like the world is real and the gods are just interfering which shouldn't cause that. Her words make it seem like the gods created a world isolated in a pocket dimension to simulate their game / experiments and didn't include all the usual physics or reality or something.
Because QA is insane? It's not just Amadeus who isn't grokking the reality of the scenario: QA can't accommodate the idea of gods excepting as shard-entities.
 
Creation is as real as anything gets; it's not a simulation. Scripture and general belief say that the Gods Above and Below made the world to provide them something interesting to watch (and meddle in, within certain rules).

Separately, Warlock has constructed several spaces which are not part of Creation for various purposes (research on the nature of Creation, protecting his son, etc); that's what QA is calling a "simulacrum".
 
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