It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure

My working assumption is that Waters is the lord of Narisell given that Kaymie specifically told us to flee it. However Lilly doesn't, and so we don't, know how large an area that encompasses and how Harmuph figures into that just that it is the larger area that Harmuph is part of. Is it still just some backwater town in that context or is it actually a population center of some note relative to the rest of the... let's call it province, for now, I suppose?

So yeah, I do think he's the lord of this area in particular. What levels of aristocratic bureaucracy exist, if any, between him and Lilly/Harmuph I'm not sure... though I'm inclined to guess "probably not that many. He might even be the lowest level proper noble in the heirarchy and governance at a more granular level isn't 'proper' nobility." but that's just idle speculation on my part and not based on anything concrete.
 
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He's not the top of the foodchain of the polity, or he wouldn't have had to back down when pressed, the 'I Own You Now' strikes me as more just a character detail--I've seen nothing so far to suggest that this is a setting that employs serfdom on a mass scale (Where everyone who isn't part of the nobility is effectively chattel).

He's just being a dick I suspect, and it gives insight into his mindset that he feels he needs to say this.
 
[X] [Fsr] Best-in-class defensive equipment, including that which can be used for wide-area defense of others (we need to be the last bastion in a fight, so as to continue nullifying attacks on the party, as with the Bear)

Further build on Captain Martin's impression of our righteousness and gets Lilly much-needed staying power. (Would also be useful for protecting our family on the run.)

Furthermore, our demanding defensive, rather than offensive capabilities makes Captain Martin less worried about us trying to tear our own pathway through the nation. Our emphasis on the defense of others makes him feel more it more likely he and his guard will continue to play a part in our upcoming upheaval.

[X] [AC] Risk assessment before sneaking off to the Prime Tree. Recruit Captain Martin and elite if necessary.

It might not be necessary, but better safe than sorry. Lilly's YOLOing tendencies are only matched by Captain Martin's himself.

[X] [AC] Give Captain Martin the transcript of everything we heard. The disgust practically speaks for itself.

We might as well do this.

If Slyvena thinks bringing him on the Lillyspiracy is a "bold move", that makes me in itself leery, but regardless of that, anything short of multi-ethos and Evie is for sure a tell. And, as Cleaver of Fortune on Steroids told us, Captain Martin is looking for an excuse, a true gamechanger. Might be best not to complicate the issue with spirits and all, but:

[X] [QoNG] My Ethos grows faster.
[X] [QoNG] and I have more than one Ethos.
[X] [QoNG] and I have more than one Ethos.
-[X] [Auw] Tell Captain Martin. Whatever he hopes to accomplish, this will change things.

[] [Fsr] Whenever I am not with them, I want a personal guard assigned to my home.

This seems like a sensible precaution (don't leave open leverage hooks over the golden goose) to the point that I'm hesitant to outright demand it.

[X] [Fsr] I want an educated tutor who will teach me anything I want to know, no questions asked.
[X] [Fsr] Whatever Captain Martin feels is appropriate.


[X] [DoD] Write in. Tell Captain Martin what we overhead and head to the camp to identify the traitor.
[X] [DoD] Tell Captain Martin what you have overheard.
[X] [DoD] Head to the Watch's camp soon, find the traitor using your Eavesdropping and Essence Sight at a distance when Samuel stops there to give the watchman Lord Waters' instruction.

[X] [AMahs] For all the experience I've gained, I think my melee skills have only been sufficient because I have never seriously fought an armed attacker. There is much I have to learn. In fact, Mathew probably has techniques he hasn't even started teaching me yet.

[X] [AC] Find out what is going on with Myah, if necessary try and smuggle her out of Harmuph
[X] [AC] Take Myah under your wing, she wanted to run away with you, collect her before it's too late.

[X] [AC] Visit the hill our mother told us about

[X] [AC] Dig Deeper wrt what's going on with Zach, try to avoid him picking up an Inverted Ethos
[X] [AC] Write in. We need to save Myah. Tell Captain Martin.
[X] [Lmt] Whatever the circumstances, I made a promise before witnesses and it would be looked down upon to renege.


Plan Almost Everything is almost everything I want, so:

[X] Plan: Almost Everything

I was horrified for a moment because I thought Lilly was about to waste her Cleaver of Fortune on a simple goodbye... but no, Cleaver really pulled through for us. And it still had enough gas in the tank to gave us a heads up on Myah. With any luck, her vampiric abilities will end up a potent supplement to our forces.

Senus Marnic can hurt people with their own attacks

Indirect, wide-area, unavoidable environmental attacks. Sudden pits/trampolines, sudden application of [Forest Fire is of Warm Now].

Sebastian can turn his malice into weapons that target any weakness you possess

Mental powers to remove malice. [My Resolution, Thy Bedrock] might very well be an unexpected hard-hitter, since it seems to come with some kind of morality siphon showing him at his "best".

Could even be a path to the secret route "actually, we don't have to be mortal enemies" except in the sense where we've replaced you with a new person, though more likely he does what everyone invariably does upon realizing they've been indoctrinated. Though, in this case, we may actually be the indoctrinators, unless that's secretly Samus?

Never let him choose the place you face each other, he can warp the land to his advantage

Running battle where our guards harass his party before retreating back into the woods, waiting for him to come to us. On the offchance, maybe even an air battle.

"This was the easy way, whore. I look forward to next time," before continuing on his way.

Zach bristles at the remark (in addition to a number of watchmen), but Micah puts a hand on his shoulder in case he was thinking of anything stupid.

Good news! Zach's inverted ethos is no longer likely to be based on his jealousy issue, which bodes well for everyone's continued survival. Nothing like an external enemy to make former rivals suddenly forget their differences.


[My Revolution, Thy Hedchop] (Civilizational): (Flow/Oath) {Inverted}
Your sister gained yet another ethos for the preservation of the past, and you were left with mixed gratitude. Yet, sometimes the old world proves so rotten, its existing power structures so irreparably malicious that no other choice remains but to start anew. Your encounter with Sebastian Waters demonstrated far greater threats not only to your family, but to the people as a whole, than any vapid unappreciation. What your sister overheard of their departing words left no further ambiguity as to the true deserving targets of your righteous rage. Tear down the powers who seek to silence your family and village; recruit allies from among the vagabond or elite; lift spirits and inflame tensions through the propagation of masterful rhetoric. In doing so, find your place among the movers of history: a true equal standing alongside your sister. Sebastian Waters created his own greatest enemy this day... and it wasn't Lilly.
 
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A critical thought occurs: is our tree under attack/in dungeon territory? If so, sneaking to it might... not be the best idea though not completely out of character either without first testing how our new powers match up against the iterated creatures.

@Slyvena?

If need be, we can bring Captain Martin (and, by extension, his elite); it seems apparent that we're spilling most or all of our secrets; what's Petal next to that?


Hmm maybe, maybe this is amazing. Lilly is a supergenious. In sample space she could come up with new uses for her power, go infinitely over every detail that she can do, and then make a choice of how to act, make a plan for herself. Something she believes a non-samplespace-Lilly can manage.
Or she can enter sample space in a mundane situation, when she is testing powers. And then do a bit of testing and theorising, have the samplespace-Lilly feed answers, and the non-sample-space-Lilly works backwards.

Step 1: Ultra-fast writing and subsequent reading of random words
Step 2: Each sampled Lilly then considers the various plans/random gibberish written out.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Optimal plan!

Step 0: Learn how to read/write

If there's a problem with an easily verified solution, Lilly effectively can solve it in sample-space time. I'm not sure it is technically required that the solution is verified within sample space time; the Step 3 meta-power might take care of it for us.

Here's a thought, going full paranoia here, why should we believe anything Waters is saying here when Lilly eavesdropped, we know with certain ethos, you can tell when someone's listening in and knowing who that someone is, just look at Captain Martin for example, who's to say there's not someone in Water's retinue who can do the same. so, what I'm wondering here is did Waters responded accordingly when Lilly was listening in and tried to sow discord among the watch by saying there's a plant (of course I could be reaching here and reading too much into it and there is most likely a plant in the watch)

Not so worried about that. Waters' PR would've been a lot better knowing we were listening in.

If we can identify the arsonist we could also gank him when he tries to burn down the house and then do it ourselves, to make sure our family doesn't end up in the line of fire. The arsonist would then have been """unfortunately slain while we were attempting his capture, tragically we couldn't save our family or our home"""

Lord Waters can't burn down our home... if we burn down our home first. *taps head*

Zach: wait, what?

...

"Sorry, Lord Waters. Lilly died in a fire while serving her remaining time in the guard."

"Yes... I'm sure she did."

In all seriousness, good idea, though I doubt the facade would last that long.
 
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Step 1: Ultra-fast writing and subsequent reading of random words
Step 2: Each sampled Lilly then considers the various plans/random gibberish written out.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Optimal plan!

Step 0: Learn how to read/write

If there's a problem with an easily verified solution, Lilly effectively can solve it in sample-space time. I'm not sure it is technically required that the solution is verified within sample space time; the Step 3 meta-power might take care of it for us.
We've been repeatedly told that the Step 3 meta-power has a very tight time horizon. It can predict how to maneuver your body so as to kill a giant wolf in one second because it will become apparent within one second whether your maneuver is working or not. It cannot predict how to maneuver yourself to set in motion a sequence of events that will solve your problems a month from now. It will only let us find solutions instantly to problems with very easily verified solutions.

If I were Slyvena I'd be all like NO STOP ASKING about this by now.

My working assumption is that Waters is the lord of Narisell given that Kaymie specifically told us to flee it. However Lilly doesn't, and so we don't, know how large an area that encompasses and how Harmuph figures into that just that it is the larger area that Harmuph is part of. Is it still just some backwater town in that context or is it actually a population center of some note relative to the rest of the... let's call it province, for now, I suppose?
If we're dealing with typical medieval population densities, a town of several thousand people (including those who live in the immediate surrounding area but are tightly integrated with its economy) is... well, it's not big, but it's not insignificant.

The largest cities in Europe in the Middle Ages had populations of around 100 to 150 thousand. Harmuph is small, a tiny fraction of that, and it is very clearly a predominantly rural, lacking centers of craftsmanship and art and culture. But it is not so small as to be truly insignificant politically, unless you operate at the high levels of politics of a major national government of the era.

Narisell may well not be so large that Waters can govern it effectively without having at least a few agents in Harmuph.

He's not the top of the foodchain of the polity, or he wouldn't have had to back down when pressed, the 'I Own You Now' strikes me as more just a character detail--I've seen nothing so far to suggest that this is a setting that employs serfdom on a mass scale (Where everyone who isn't part of the nobility is effectively chattel).

He's just being a dick I suspect, and it gives insight into his mindset that he feels he needs to say this.
Possibly, but if he didn't have some kind of legal standing to be in this area, some kind of formal authority over our community or ourselves, he wouldn't be acting the way he did either. For starters, he wouldn't be able to just coast in as an independent agent; he'd be stepping on the toes of some other noble by doing so. Unless he's specifically some kind of empowered royal troubleshooter or something, I think he's got to have some kind of jurisdiction and authority, given his conduct and the nature of his Ethos.

Like, "I own you" may just be him being a dick about the fact that he's our feudal overlord or the provincial governor, not him formally declaring that we are serfs who are literally his property as a matter of law. But it's, like... it's a metaphor, but it's a metaphor for something, the underlying something exists on a level other than "Lord Waters is a huge asshole."

So sure, he's not at the top of the foodchain, but I suspect he's at least one or two levels up the chain we actually live in. He may report to some other noble, sure. Or there may be courts that nominally have jurisdiction over his actions and prevent him from just casually drafting all the provincial militia into his personal retinue to assemble a private army. But I don't think he's just some power-tripping rando with a title... And if he were then it becomes downright paradoxical that he has spies in a town where lowest-common-denominator peasants have never heard of him and where he has no special legal interests.

Indirect, wide-area, unavoidable environmental attacks. Sudden pits/trampolines, sudden application of [Forest Fire is of Warm Now].
Use [Riemannian Thingy] to troll him into hitting himself with our attack that he thought he was redirecting to hit us?

Launch attacks that we are better equipped to withstand than he is, so that even if he hits us over the head with them it only mildly inconveniences us, but if he fails his Deflect check it hurts him a lot more?

Mental powers to remove malice. [My Resolution, Thy Bedrock] might very well be an unexpected hard-hitter, since it seems to come with some kind of morality siphon showing him at his "best".

Could even be a path to the secret route "actually, we don't have to be mortal enemies" except in the sense where we've replaced you with a new person, though more likely he does what everyone invariably does upon realizing they've been indoctrinated. Though, in this case, we may actually be the indoctrinators, unless that's secretly Samus?
Hey, I have absolutely no problem overwriting Lord Waters and replacing him with a more congenial occupant of the meat he is currently putting to bad use.

If he wanted me to morally object to his personality death, he should have had a nicer personality.
 
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Since there's been no clarification as to the safety of our "sneaking off" to the Prime Tree, throwing in this vote as well:

[] [AC] Risk assessment before sneaking off to the Prime Tree. Recruit Captain Martin and elite if necessary.

I urge everyone to do the same, for fairly obvious reasons. Lilly is very smart, but she does have... certain tendencies.

We've been repeatedly told that the Step 3 meta-power has a very tight time horizon. It can predict how to maneuver your body so as to kill a giant wolf in one second because it will become apparent within one second whether your maneuver is working or not. It cannot predict how to maneuver yourself to set in motion a sequence of events that will solve your problems a month from now. It will only let us find solutions instantly to problems with very easily verified solutions.

If I were Slyvena I'd be all like NO STOP ASKING about this by now.

Not exactly. The meta-power concerns the ability to decide upon the best action, which seems to take zero time (as opposed to observing the action's results, which takes sample-time). The method of deciding seems vague, and could plausibly include solution computation as well.

Launch attacks that we are better equipped to withstand than he is, so that even if he hits us over the head with them it only mildly inconveniences us, but if he fails his Deflect check it hurts him a lot more?
For this idea (for scrambling with Geometer as well, I suppose), we need to watch out for friendly fire.

It's difficult to say how comprehensible his power is. Subversion is another idea, and if the subversion reflects we have Bedrock to counter... though the chapter shows that even Bedrock has limits.

If Concordance purely deals with future-telling, then strict reflection is unlikely, but some weird shit where we're tricked into targeting the wrong person might be possible, I guess (for bonus points, get tricked into targeting ourself). If at all possible, prefer to target a wide area where they're definitely in and friendlies definitely aren't.

Could I do it? Could I beat someone with my {Heartstaff} and then watch them die?

Just don't look, Lilly; orbital bombardment is nice and impersona--

Wait a minute, we still have to rescue Kaymie. Damn it!
 
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Concordance seems in general to be manipulation of cause and effect. The 'Reflect' power that was described being a capacity to redefine the target of an effect to the one who produced it or something.

Lilly's manifests as calculation and projection of possible future information to produce an ideal solution for a given action. Hence why it's so discreet--the active effect doesn't extend beyond herself.
 
Not exactly. The meta-power concerns the ability to decide upon the best action, which seems to take zero time (as opposed to observing the action's results, which takes sample-time). The method of deciding seems vague, and could plausibly include solution computation as well.
Yes, but it still takes place in parallel and not in series, and the ability doesn't have what you might call impressive foresight. It's not a replacement for [Ladder of Wisdom] and it's just plain NOT giving us complex optimized plans.

Like, seriously. I don't get why you're insisting that this will work. @Slyvena has very consistently squashed schemed to turn [Sample Space]'s parallel computing into serial computing to optimize complex plans, and I see no reason why that wouldn't extend to plans where you only know whether or not they've worked five minutes after you try them.
 
I'm not insisting; I'm saying we shouldn't rule it out before power testing.

Some plans are obviously better than others; some "tricks" lead to immediate clarity and insight. Lilly won't know the plans' final results, but it's a lot better than nothing.

As to the possibility of meta-power computation, it's not really related to the multiple futures so much as "how do the Lillies actually decide?" Clearly, some amount of computation is involved; how far does this extend? Perhaps even to very complicated computations (allowing us to skip the in-sample computation)? We can't know unless we try.
 
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I'm not insisting; I'm saying we shouldn't rule it out before power testing.

Some plans are obviously better than others; some "tricks" lead to immediate clarity and insight. Lilly won't know the plans' final results, but it's a lot better than nothing.

As to the possibility of meta-power computation, it's not really related to the multiple futures so much as "how do the Lillies actually decide?" Clearly, some amount of computation is involved; how far does this extend? Perhaps even to very complicated computations (allowing us to skip the in-sample computation)? We can't know unless we try.

The GM has literally told us that "Anything that requires more than your {Sample Space Limit} to determine success or failure is beyond the scope"

So "Drawing a Rune with [Quickwit Stennvoker?], doable--and in fact you can abuse this to employ Runes that would normally be way too complex or failure-prone to use. Actually inventing a Rune with it? No."

The limitation of {Sample Space} is "Is this action fully resolved with the results completely apparent within the time limit". You can't game that by coming up with plans!

Because {Sample Space} can't fucking tell if the plan is going to have desirable long term effects--merely that the first move is done to perfection.

Long term forecasting is the purview of {The Ladder}, {Sample Space} is for achieving a transient maximum. If you want Long Term Plan Improvements? We need to work on {The Ladder}.
 
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Lord Waters can't burn down our home... if we burn down our home first. *taps head*

Zach: wait, what?

...

"Sorry, Lord Waters. Lilly died in a fire while serving her remaining time in the guard."

"Yes... I'm sure she did."

In all seriousness, good idea, though I doubt the facade would last that long.
The idea wouldn't be to fake our own death in the fire, my proposal is to identify and intercept the arsonist, merc him on the night he tries to head out to our family home and finish his job ourselves (disappearing our family in the process of course). The idea being that Waters thinks the job was done and his man in the Watch got got by Lilly after the fact. Lilly's faked suicide would then occur later during an expedition of the Watch into the dungeon, so that when he comes back he's left with a (fake) dead body of Lilly, a burned down family house and a dead informant. Ideally that should throw him off our trail.
 
Uhhh there is one problem with our fake dead body problem. Our body is highly weird and I dont want to give it Lord Waters to examine. Also, if they can target us through the matriarchal bloodline, they probably can target us through our corpse. Also we dont even know if we will leave a corpse.
 
Uhhh there is one problem with our fake dead body problem. Our body is highly weird and I dont want to give it Lord Waters to examine. Also, if they can target us through the matriarchal bloodline, they probably can target us through our corpse. Also we dont even know if we will leave a corpse.
I don't think that we're planning to make a copy of our real body. Just a fake that looks like we should if we weren't...us.
 
I don't think that we're planning to make a copy of our real body. Just a fake that looks like we should if we weren't...us.

How do we do this? Like genuinely the question here is how. We don't exactly have that capability ourselves, and I doubt Harumph has a sophisticated Fake Body industry. I doubt anything produced by this small town could be honestly sophisticated enough to fool a noble with a lot of money and resources.
 
How do we do this? Like genuinely the question here is how. We don't exactly have that capability ourselves, and I doubt Harumph has a sophisticated Fake Body industry. I doubt anything produced by this small town could be honestly sophisticated enough to fool a noble with a lot of money and resources.

Not that I'm 100% on board with this plan, but...could we ask Petal to grow a fake Lilly body? I mean, the whole deal is that if one of us dies, the other can help restore them. If all we need is "biology" without any Ethos, it might be possible for Petal to start producing a "strange fruit" that we could plant in the fire as we leave.

Of course, if we're claiming that the whole family is dying in the fire, we may have to provide six whole skeletons, and I doubt that a tree has the time or information to forge a set for every family member.
 
We know that [Dream Within The Forest] has the ability to regrow our own body, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume we could grow a dummy body that resembles Lilly without her Dungeon Core if we tried it.
The main problem imo with trying to fake any death would be to stop scrying attempts, that's something that our favour with the Diviner might help with in setting up something that would convince a hostile Diviner that the person is dead actually. (Like how she was fooled into thinking Lilly was dead because she was buried between the roots of the Prime Tree)

Also it's not like this world has sophisticated police or medical science to investigate whether four charred corpses were really the family that lived there. If we have the support of the group that would supposedly be called on to confirm their deaths (the Watch I'd assume) this seems not too hard to fake, as long as we can do something about the scrying.
 
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[X] Plan: Unite them, Bring them Together
-[X] [DoD] Tell Captain Martin what you have overheard.
-[X] [AMahs] For all the experience I've gained, I think my melee skills have only been sufficient because I have never seriously fought an armed attacker. There is much I have to learn. In fact, Mathew probably has techniques he hasn't even started teaching me yet.
-[X] [Lmt] Whatever the circumstances, I made a promise before witnesses and it would be looked down upon to renege.
-[X] [Fsr] I want an educated tutor who will teach me anything I want to know, no questions asked.
-[X] [QoNG] Write In.
--[X] You don't really understand what it is that's different about you, what kind of spirit decided to tamper with things, but from the beginning, things have been weird. [Dream Within The Forest]was nice, but when it Expanded, it just added more abilities... And then a second Ethos arrived the day after you woke from your disappearance, which occasionally chimed in with helpful information and warnings--and luck you guess? You're still figuring out how that one works. Then both of these started adding new abilities--and then you gained a Third Ethos--that's where the Pithe stuff comes from, actually. For whatever reason, it seems like whatever spirits, gods, or other beings are responsible for giving us our Ethae just keep... Missing me, and throwing me new ones all the time. It was good in that it helped me protect the valley, {The Ladder} made it pretty clear how many lives were at stake if I just stayed hidden at home with Father and the others, and it was enough to help me break the defenses of the corruption in the forest, and keep up with everything--but now he just rolls in like this, does all of this, and I get a report saying that he's going to be responsible for my death if I don't stop him somehow?--and now he's planning on killing them all? Just to maybe get me a little faster when he's going to have me killed anyway? It's... It's not right, but I also can't just put you at risk by running away first--even if he doesn't have anyone watching for me trying something like that. I need help, I need to know more, I need to be wiser, I need to be stronger, so that I can find a way out of this that doesn't lead to anyone getting killed or broken on my behalf, and Father's... Not a soldier.
---[X] TL;DR: Bring him in on the Lillyspiracy, he's stuck his neck out for us, the least we can do is reciprocate. Lilly is a gamechanger, and more importantly she's established that she's as responsible as someone can really get in her position. That being said, less demonstrations with the weirder shit--it's okay to stick to generalities, but having an unpredictable surprise up your sleeve feels like it might be important in the immediate future.
-[X] [Auw] Tell Captain Martin. Whatever he hopes to accomplish, this will change things.
[x] [AC] Take Myah under your wing, she wanted to run away with you, collect her before it's too late.
[x] [AC] You have the tree waiting for you, dedicate time to sneaking to it and communing
 
We know that [Dream Within The Forest] has the ability to regrow our own body, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume we could grow a dummy body that resembles Lilly without her Dungeon Core if we tried it.
The main problem imo with trying to fake any death would be to stop scrying attempts, that's something that our favour with the Diviner might help with in setting up something that would convince a hostile Diviner that the person is dead actually. (Like how she was fooled into thinking Lilly was dead because she was buried between the roots of the Prime Tree)

Also it's not like this world has sophisticated police or medical science to investigate whether four charred corpses were really the family that lived there. If we have the support of the group that would supposedly be called on to confirm their deaths (the Watch I'd assume) this seems not too hard to fake, as long as we can do something about the scrying.

It however does have people who can scry, which is likely much harder to fool than a lot of modern police. We might be able to stop people from Scrying us with a Cleaver of Fate lvl up and with help of Madam Silva (Im skeptical she would help us escape Lord Waters tho), but thats nowhere near guaranteed to be perfect, especially to the resources of the people like Lord Waters.

Also, we shouldn't underestimate this society. It has medieval aesthetics, but also magic. Harmuph is nowheresville when it comes to super duper sophisticated magic, but thats not everywhere. We know that the actual cities are way more advanced than this random place in the middle of nowhere.
 
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The point in getting Madam Silva's help wouldn't be so much to get her to directly interfere with whoever is going to scry for Waters, but to get an understanding how Ethea like hers even work, so we can devise some sort of counter to it.
My first instinct for trying to counter Madam Silva for example would be to use [Dream Within The Forest] to knock out our family like we did for Yolun and bury them somewhere in the Forest for a month or so while keeping them alive through our Essence link (at least assuming that we can replace their need for nourishment through Essence like we can for ourselves), so that if they get scried the person believes they are in fact buried. It'd be important how much the Seer sees, for example that wouldn't really work if they saw that their bodies weren't burnt. Which is why we need at least some sort of idea how exactly Seer Ethea tend to work.

The point of trying to fake our family's death this way is to try and play to Water's assumption that things are happening mostly as he has ordered them. If he hears that our family died but his agent did as well I think he'd be less inclined to investigate than if we faked their deaths any other way or if they just up and left town before he could hurt them.
 
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So I'm told this thread has an SB mirror. I found this out solely because there was a mention of stuff that was apparently deduced there and not here, which is...well, that seems just a bit unfun/unfair to just not ever be told about. May I make a suggestion that you put a link to any other threads in the OP or an informational threadmark, @Slyvena?
 
So I'm told this thread has an SB mirror. I found this out solely because there was a mention of stuff that was apparently deduced there and not here, which is...well, that seems just a bit unfun/unfair to just not ever be told about. May I make a suggestion that you put a link to any other threads in the OP or an informational threadmark, @Slyvena?

Not a lot is happening there, so this is why most aren't talking about them (the thread is 4 pages long). Do you want the link?
 
[X] Plan: Unite them, Bring them Together

I think the write-in is a bit long, but it gets the point across.
 
...Hang on a minute.

[X][BW] 60% Normal, 20% Evie, 20% Tower

Current XP:
[Dream within the Forest] Lvl 5: 789/2100 (+14)
[Brave Blood] Lvl 3: 961/1000 (+8)
[Cleaver of Fortune] Lvl 3: 724/1000 (+79)
[Effervescent Animus] Lvl 2: 3043/6000 (+43)
[My Resolution, Thy Bedrock] Lvl 0: 14/100 (+14)
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[Towering Edifice to Heaven] Lvl 0: 59.6/10000 (+59.6)

Assuming that Evie is doing the winning distribution automatically, the total XP gained by [Dream], [Brave], [Cleaver], and [Bedrock] is 115 XP. But that's only 60% of what they earned, which would mean that the total XP earned is about 191, with 115 going to their respective Ethos and 38 going to Evie and [Tower].

But that's not quite the case here. Evie got a total of 43 XP (extra 5 XP) and [Tower] got both 59.6 XP to its level (extra 21.6 XP) AND an additional 33 XP to its bank for Gravitas Weaving.

Now, Evie may have gotten that extra XP with her help in Subversion (both for the personality shift and for slipping from Charel) and blocking Water's Flow master. But...what did [Tower] do to gain extra XP? The only time that it may have come up was when [Primordial Chassis] helped us escape from Charel, but I can't see it doing that much more work than Evie did. So, either some of the XP Evie "worked for" got distributed to [Tower] as well, or something about that whole interaction helped fulfill part of [Tower]'s purpose. [Tower]'s descriptor in 1.12 was [Regional Stressor Event], and that it was used to "rebalance conflict trending too far toward an unscheduled genocide resolution." Would this mean that it is empowered by helping the weaker party in a conflict until they are powerful enough to stand on equal footing with their opponent? Because right now Lilly's found herself in a war "for righteousness" that places her in the "underdog" position, which may have unknowingly helped [Tower] along.
 
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