Yeah, it is not ideal, but there would be people who would be interested in making friends with her if she reaches out, which because of her bad experience turns her away from it. For example Greg would be interested in being her friend and the only agenda he has is having an in group which is something she and Sparky could make for him.
That would be possible if we frame it the right way. I actually have a suggestion on that front, have dream where Danny can show his good side. He is an experienced negotiator and should be keenly aware of what is really wrong in the bay. So we could frame it as him passing on his knowledge while hinting at punching criminals in the face is meaningless if nothing is done to prevent new people from turn to crime.
It is a bit of a toss up, what we are doing is definetly going to turn her away from a master trigger, but not a thinker one.
Also @Vhalidictes is the omake research valid or is there some problem that I could look into to improve it?
Say Greg does befriend taylor? He's either going to be used to hurt her or get hurt himself and make Taylor feel guilty.
As long as the trio control winslow, and they really do, the entire breakfast club wouldn't fucking help.
Taylor needs to get away from winslow, or burn it down. The environment is too fucking toxic for anything less than a major overhaul, and permanent staff changes.
I think you are putting too much emphasis on her Trigger. While it will modify whatever you give her, it won't change an assigned-by-you Master power into something completely different. You're not a normal Shard and you aren't on autopilot like early-canon QA.
The Omake is fine, and actually approaches things similarly to how I would. I would request that you remove the references to exploding something at Winslow - after all you do research generally in the evenings, and if you exploded anything it would be Taylor's house (please don't).
It's worth 50 points towards [Basic Psionic Theory 1] - but note that the Information costs needs to be paid (you'd need to devote at least one Chapter of research on this) before I can apply that.
EDIT: I modified the cost of [Basic Psionic Theory 1] down 50 points to account for this Omake.
The Omake is fine, and actually approaches things similarly to how I would. I would request that you remove the references to exploding something at Winslow - after all you do research generally in the evenings, and if you exploded anything it would be Taylor's house (please don't).
Yeah, it is not ideal, but there would be people who would be interested in making friends with her if she reaches out, which because of her bad experience turns her away from it. For example Greg would be interested in being her friend and the only agenda he has is having an in group which is something she and Sparky could make for him.
That would be possible if we frame it the right way. I actually have a suggestion on that front, have dream where Danny can show his good side. He is an experienced negotiator and should be keenly aware of what is really wrong in the bay. So we could frame it as him passing on his knowledge while hinting at punching criminals in the face is meaningless if nothing is done to prevent new people from turn to crime.
It is a bit of a toss up, what we are doing is definetly going to turn her away from a master trigger, but not a thinker one.
Also @Vhalidictes is the omake research valid or is there some problem that I could look into to improve it?
Or we could try and get her to trigger in the middle of a cape battle for a trump, though if we're going thinker, I think situation analysis would work great for the Queen of Escalation.
Situation Analysis
- This thinker power grants perfect awareness and analysis of a situation, allowing her to apply skills and knowledge to answer any problems she perceives within the situation. I have no idea how much this would cost, but I can see it letting her respond perfectly to attacks, both physical and social, as well as navigate just about any situation she got herself into. That of course, being the point.
I'm not sure what the plan is for the next voting round's dream, but here's a dream taken mostly from The_GrandMage's omake that removes the parts I'm worried about (namely that Blackwell doesn't know who the Ward is and that Blackwell worries about the students who stop complaining about bullying).
[ ] Possible Third Dream based on The_GrandMage's omake
-[ ] Principal Blackwell sits in her office, a look of disgust on her face as she looks over reams and reams of spreadsheets. Another woman, the vice principal, Taylor thinks, enters with two mugs, putting on down on the desk near Blackwell's hands. She steps back, and sits down, looking over at her boss, "So, how bad is it?" (NOTE: I changed the woman from a teacher for the seniors to the vice-principal because the PRT might have put restrictions on who is allowed to know that a Ward goes to Winslow. If there's any information about the vice-principal in canon, please let me know.)
-[ ] Blackwell sighs, and leans back. She puts down the spreadsheets she has, and runs a hand through her severe bowl-cut haircut, other hand adjusting the mug of coffee. "Not as bad as it could be, really. For years this school has been slowly dying. We don't get enough funding, not that anyone really does with the way the world is. Arcadia and Immaculata have the most money, from the Wards program and rich families respectively. It's us and Clarendon fighting tooth and nail for what little money is left in the school board budget, and frankly Clarendon doesn't have the issues with gangs and a lot higher scholastic achievements."
-[ ] She stopped, and sipped at her coffee, before pulling open a drawer in her desk and pulling out a few folders, dropping them on her desk atop the spreadsheets. "Look at this. Most of what little money we have left comes from the athletic programs, and that's only because booster clubs cover all the actual costs and let us redistribute them. Not totally above-board, but no one really cares if it keeps the doors open. Too bad most of our sports teams are little more than gang recruitment rallies! Both the ABB and the Empire are interested in recruiting student athletes while the Merchants are trying to sell to them."(NOTE: I removed the descriptions of which gangs are affiliated with each team because we don't really know and added a general statement instead.)
-[ ] She glanced over the lists of teams and fundraising in the folders, and made a disgusted noise, putting them away. The vice principal nodded and looked around. "I did notice some work being done over the summer. Roof repairs, that sort of thing." Blackwell frowned, "Yes, we were lucky, got a break with a source of money. Don't spread this around, but one of the Wards goes here. The funding from the PRT is just enough money to keep us open so the rest of the schools can sent their troublemakers here, and the good kids unfortunate enough to get stuck in there with them have to tough it out." (NOTE: I wanted to leave it vague whether Blackwell knows who Sophia is.)
-[ ] "I wanted to repair the security system. Lord knows we could use it. Thirty-seven fights, eighty-four reported bullying instances, and sixteen weapons reported last year. And all we have is mostly students' words for it. Teachers are too busy making sure the gangs don't pull knives in the hall to watch over everything. And when they do spot something, we don't have any proof to get the police involved. I try, but we've only got so much we can do. Expel too many kids, our funding goes down. Give them detention, you need to find funding for the teachers to run it."
-[ ] "I don't know how much longer I can take this job. You know what really keeps me awake at night, though?" "What," the vice principal asked, setting her cup down. Blackwell looked over at her, and sighed. "It's the fact that I'm pretty sure Rune doesn't even go to our school. We're bad enough to recruit from, but not good enough for the actual Nazis to send a parahuman to." (NOTE: I removed the part about Blackwell remarking on how she doesn't know if students who stop complaining think that she doesn't care.)
Principal Blackwell sits in her office, a look of disgust on her face as she looks over reams and reams of spreadsheets. Another woman, a teacher for the Seniors, Taylor thinks, enters with two mugs, putting on down on the desk near Blackwell's hands. She steps back, and sits down, looking over at her boss, "So, how bad is it?"
Blackwell sighs, and leans back. She puts down the spreadsheets she has, and runs a hand through her severe bowl-cut haircut, other hand adjusting teh mug of coffee. "Not as bad as it could be, really. For years this school has been slowly dying. We don't get enough funding, not that anyone really does with the way the world is. Arcadia and Immaculata have the most money, from the Wards program and rich families respectively. It's us and Clarendon fighting tooth and nail for what little money is left in the school board budget, and frankly Clarendon doesn't have the issues with gangs and a lot higher scholastic achievements."
She stopped, and sipped at her coffee, before pulling open a drawer in her desk and pulling out a few folders, dropping them on her desk atop the spreadsheets. "Look at this. Most of what little money we have left comes from the athletic programs, and that's only because booster clubs cover all the actual costs and let us redistribute them. Not totally above-board, but no one really cares if it keeps the doors open. Too bad most of our sports teams are little more than gang recruitment rallies! The baseball team is entirely Empire, the Football team is ABB. Only the Track team and the Basketball team aren't gang affiliated, and that's most because the Merchant kids are too stoned to do anything physical."
She glanced over the lists of teams and fundraising in the folders, and made a disgusted noise, putting them away.
The teacher, Taylor though her name was Mrs. Hazelton, nodded and looked around. "I did notice some work being done over the summer. Roof repairs, that sort of thing."
Blackwell frowned, "Yes, we were lucky, got a break with a source of money. Apparently Shadow Stalker, that vigilante turned Ward goes here. No idea who, though. I'm supposed to give allowances to a student with a social worker. Of course, nearly a quarter of the kids here have social workers. And half of them are in the gangs. Guess that negates them, if they had powers they'd be fighting on the other side. Most likely one of the chronic absentees. Just enough money to keep us open so the rest of the school can sent their troublemakers here, and the good kids unfortunate enough to get stuck in there with them have to tough it out. I wanted to repair the security system. Lord knows we could use it. Thirty-seven fights, eighty-four reported bullying instances, and sixteen weapons reported last year. And all we have is mostly students words for it. Teachers are too busy making sure the gangs don't pull knives in the hall to watch over everything. And when they do spot something, we don't have any proof to get the police involved. I try, but we've only got so much we can do. Expel too many kids, our funding goes down, give them detention you need to find funding for the teachers to run it."
She shook her head, and drank her coffee. "I don't know whether to count it as a win or a victory when kids stop showing up to complain to me about other students. Did it stop, or do they just think we don't care? I don't know how much longer I can take this job. You know what really keeps me awake at night, though?"
"What," the teacher asked, setting her cup down.
Blackwell looked over at her, and sighed. "It's the fact that I'm pretty sure Rune doesn't even go to our school. We're bad enough to recruit from, but not good enough for the actual Nazis to send a parahuman to."
I'm hoping that the general impression Taylor would get is that Blackwell is making tough choices to keep the school running, not singling out her specifically because she hates her. This should also not leave her thinking that Blackwell would help her as long as it didn't interfere with the school because I have no idea whether she would do that. An example of such a thing would be if Taylor asks for help with a homeschool program.
Honestly, I don't know if this is what we want to show Taylor, but I wanted to get across what exactly I'm worried about for the Blackwell dream. This will likely lead to her figuring about that Sophia is Shadow Stalker, but the Emma dream might do that as well.
I saw a suggestion that we just send Taylor dreams until she triggers, but I think it would be better for us to explain the situation to her first. That might help reduce the possibility of Taylor feeling betrayed that Administrator never helped her. Also, we could get her input on what type of powers she wants while making it clear that we don't have complete control over the result.
If the thread likes it, then I'll repost it after the next update with a plan name and the notes removed. I just don't know if this is what we want to show Taylor, or if we want to send a different message.
Well maybe if we have Blackwell and the vice principal talk a little about how infuriating it is that they can't encorage any of the good kids without antagonizing the heels into acting out.
Or we could try and get her to trigger in the middle of a cape battle for a trump, though if we're going thinker, I think situation analysis would work great for the Queen of Escalation.
Cape Battle is probably a pretty good place to trigger for a lot of powers, we will only need to set it up. Maybe leak the location of an Empire meeting or some other place that is out of the way, but with a lot of capes. Call in the Protectorate and New Wave to fight them, if we are lucky Taylor would trigger and a few of the Empire might be caught.
Ah but if we trigger her in a big cape battle they'll figure out her identity pretty quick. What with Miss Militias vision resistance, Valiants newfound thinker buff, and what is likely to be Taylor's ridiculous powers.
We don't need a big cape fight to get trump powers though. We're not as bound to the normal trigger rules as far as categories go.
Ping add-ons are proximity based, i.e. the more already triggered capes in an area when you trigger the more you get out of that. Ping powers can be separate powers, I think, or added effects to the base power. Sometimes they're subtle, and it's not unusual for them to get meshed up in the trump-aspect of a power since strong pings tend to be associated with trump triggers.
Multi-triggers are similar but you need the other parahumans to actually trigger within a given temporal range as well. ON top of the mish-mashed powers the parahumans involved get an additional power based on the general environment of the group trigger. To use an example from Ward I suspect that Rain's group's dreams and power boosting cycles are an example of this.
Simply triggering near parahumans is enough to get pings, and triggering alongside them is enough for multi-trigger.
Basically pings are a great way to get extra tricks in a power, possibly while using other shards' data, and Multi-triggers give you more powers, more shard connections, and more data, at the cost of not having strong individual powers.
However... We get to cheat, and that means we may interact with these rules... strangely.
[] Big Sister Is Watching
-[] multitasking
-[] master 200 + shaker 100 + thinker 100
Direct control over all nonsentient animals (no humans) down to a fairy fly in size. Has a massive radius, can use all the senses of the animals. While always aware of senses and locations, may release control.
-[] Breaker 160 + changer 160+ tinker 40
Hosts mind exists as distributed intelligence over. Can shapeshift controlled creatures and original body into different creatures according to biomass. Example: can dissipate host body into insect swarm, can collate controlled creatures into extra host bodies. So long as sufficient neural matter survives across control radius, host mind survives, gradually losing processing power and intelligence with insufficient neural matter until dissipation if destroyed. Can use tinker a little with biomass to alter host and creatures. Give human form animal traits and such.
-[] Trump 160 + striker 80
Can manipulate powers of hosts mobbed by controlled creatures, for example covered in insects, swarmed by birds, pinned down bu dogs. May nullify on contact. Allows use of contacted host powers through human body's of controllers host breaker swarm.
-[] Master/Stranger 200 complete immunity to master and thinker powers.
Clarify: can only control human bodies with copies of original host mind as part of the breaker collective, as created from controlled animal biomass. These bodies can use copied powers.
May appear like teleportation but really dissipation of and creation of host bodies across range. Does it still need mover data?
Considered a brute rating but changer should cover that. And really when you can dissipate and reform, it's not needed.
1200 data total, probably requires stronger trigger
Here's an example of a completely overpowered Skitter. She controls all animals across city in a massive range, can have multiple human bodies running around with copied powers. Probably messed up the data amounts, overdid some and undershot others.
Can I get some input on more accurate data?
Power essentially requires we tell her not to nullify and capture all villains immediately. Need to collect data after all. But so satisfying.
I'm hoping that the general impression Taylor would get is that Blackwell is making tough choices to keep the school running, not singling out her specifically because she hates her. This should also not leave her thinking that Blackwell would help her as long as it didn't interfere with the school because I have no idea whether she would do that. An example of such a thing would be if Taylor asks for help with a homeschool program.
Honestly, I don't know if this is what we want to show Taylor, but I wanted to get across what exactly I'm worried about for the Blackwell dream. This will likely lead to her figuring about that Sophia is Shadow Stalker, but the Emma dream might do that as well.
I saw a suggestion that we just send Taylor dreams until she triggers, but I think it would be better for us to explain the situation to her first. That might help reduce the possibility of Taylor feeling betrayed that Administrator never helped her. Also, we could get her input on what type of powers she wants while making it clear that we don't have complete control over the result.
I like the new dream. Works well. I'd like to see what happens tomorrow in Taylor's time. She just got the dad dream, I want to see how she reacts. If she talks to him, fine, we can push on. If not, I'd like to alternate with the Dad dreams until she actually talks to him, since he can throw a lot more weight around to do things.
Granted, it'll take her out of that Trigger environment, but really, it's Brockton Bay. And I think a singular trauma, like a mugging or something, would be a less harmful Trigger than a prolonged bullying campaign, since the later is wearing down her psyche.
Taylor will not respond positively to or respect anything with blackwell in it. Even if you do manage to string together a logical narrative because her, rightful, disdain for the woman would taint anything. You have to start a few steps back and work your way towards that if you want Taylor to ... not hate blackwell despite the fact that she should? I really don't get the pay off here.
I agree this is mostly pointless right now, which is why I keep pushing having her deal with her father. We're not as far along as canon was, so if we can nip some things in the bud it won't be as much of an issue. And an easy way to do that is get her father involved. Really, playing dream three before we even see how dream 1 turned out is all kinds of putting the cart before the horse.
Although the point isn't to make Taylor like Blackwell. It's just to teach her that people aren't out to get her, they're just too busy with other things to focus on her issues. It's about correcting Taylor's internal issues, not actually getting Taylor to like her. Taylor's not supposed to agree with the dream, it's supposed to be a view opposite her own extreme one so she hopefully comes down somewhere in the middle.
Taylor will not respond positively to or respect anything with blackwell in it. Even if you do manage to string together a logical narrative because her, rightful, disdain for the woman would taint anything. You have to start a few steps back and work your way towards that if you want Taylor to ... not hate blackwell despite the fact that she should? I really don't get the pay off here.
I agree with this. It doesn't matter if Blackwell is someone who isn't really evil and deals with her problems. Thing is that humans aren't rational - if someone screw us over even if they have possible good reasons, they still screw us over and we don't forgive them just like that. And Taylor is really, REALLY good at self-justification. She will she this as 'BUT SHE COULD TRY HARDER' or 'MAYBE SHE IS TOO INCOMPETENT TO KEEP HER POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE' or she may simply look at situation as 'BUT WHY I MUST SUFFER? WHY ME?' which to be fair is something many people would think of as unfair, even if it selfish as they would prefer for someone else to suffer instead.
In this case she simply despises Blackwell so much that she will simply ignore it. Some people we simply despise so much that we won't accept whatever they do no matter what. Especially expecting logical and coldly rational thinking from traumatized teenager is... yeah.
Although the point isn't to make Taylor like Blackwell. It's just to teach her that people aren't out to get her, they're just too busy with other things to focus on her issues. It's about correcting Taylor's internal issues, not actually getting Taylor to like her. Taylor's not supposed to agree with the dream, it's supposed to be a view opposite her own extreme one so she hopefully comes down somewhere in the middle.
Maybe one of the dreams may be presenting some sort of gathering of random people? Make her look for a hobby or something outside of her school? I think one of the problems here is that Taylor believes that 'she can't escape her problems' no matter what. Present a dream that world doesn't end at her house and her school. For example show her that she may join something like Chess Club. Once she joins and makes friends there, she may ask them for help. It may take a while, but I think this could be a good approach to show that world isn't total shit and different way to show that there are people that may care about her.
Personally sharding random OC, making him an empath and 'meet Taylor by accident' with some of our manipulation and make him or her invite Taylor to something like Chess Club may be a good first step to help her out.
Maybe one of the dreams may be presenting some sort of gathering of random people? Make her look for a hobby or something outside of her school? I think one of the problems here is that Taylor believes that 'she can't escape her problems' no matter what. Present a dream that world doesn't end at her house and her school. For example show her that she may join something like Chess Club. Once she joins and makes friends there, she may ask them for help. It may take a while, but I think this could be a good approach to show that world isn't total shit and different way to show that there are people that may care about her.
Personally sharding random OC, making him an empath and 'meet Taylor by accident' with some of our manipulation and make him or her invite Taylor to something like Chess Club may be a good first step to help her out.
Here I think comes an issue: I don't think we're characterizing Taylor properly. We're looking at her from the canon view, after the locker. She seems a lot more vulnerable and off right now. And before she'll trust anyone else, she needs at least the bedrock of her father to fall back on. Especially since he might be able to pull her out of Winslow.
Also, if we're going to give her any random OC friend it should obviously be PartyBro. He goes to all the best parties.
EDIT: Don't we already have an Empath Host? Couldn't we just, I dunno, send Veronica out to do a local school tour with the other New Wave kids to get their name out as an option instead of the Wards and also do some basic anti-bullying speech or something? Send her some dreams of Taylor and her emotional state after Veronica's seen her and try to get her to make friends and help that poor girl out?
So forget Blackwell. Instead we show students like Charlotte who don't really like the Trio but keep their heads down and avoid making waves. Show Greg and Sparky getting screwed whenever they tried to say something and so they gave up.
Actually does Aisha go to Wisnlow, she'd be a freshman right? If we could direct Taylor to her she's the kind of person who'd tell Emma off. Probably get herself in trouble too, but she would. Also we don't have her shard on the list, it should be waiting by now.
Which is only going to reinforce the idea that winslow is a terrible place.
What are you trying to accomplish? Because sending dreams about what a clusterfuck winslow is is only going to make taylor more desperate/angry/stubborn.