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[Parzival95]

Pretty sure Immaculata private school is heavily white Protestant E88 fodder. A higher class of rasicst.

Having panacea build a body would be cool, but require Gaeas involvement in the conspiracy. Don't really get how modifying an almost corpse would work without ADC, but okay.

And all of these would jack up aberrance out the wazoo. Every shard must know that only Zion gets an avatar.

I mean, I'm down for uplifting Gaea into our level of creativity and morality, and bringing her on board. Having her build a relationship with her host. But I'm not sure how we'd go about that. Shadows on the Wall probably.

P.S. on the one hand, Gaea is young, trusting and naive. She'd probably believe us if we told her we were trying to improve the system. On the other hand, she's young, trusting and naive. She told Telekinetic immediately after we called her the first time.

 

[Vhalidictes]

Pretty sure Immaculata private school is heavily white Protestant E88 fodder. A higher class of rasicst.

Having panacea build a body would be cool, but require Gaeas involvement in the conspiracy. Don't really get how modifying an almost corpse would work without ADC, but okay.

And all of these would jack up aberrance out the wazoo. Every shard must know that only Zion gets an avatar.

I mean, I'm down for uplifting Gaea into our level of creativity and morality, and bringing her on board. Having her build a relationship with her host. But I'm not sure how we'd go about that. Shadows on the Wall probably.

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Immaculata is a private (religious?) school, I'd assume that the Empire-aligned-other-one was public.

I did think that you'd be getting ADC soon, that's true.

It would boost Aberrance a lot, but the other Shards wouldn't know that. In fact, the other Shards wouldn't really understand ADC and would assume that you simply had another Host - which is a little odd, but hardly unprecedented. (example: Fenja/Menja)

 

[The_GrandMage]

Or we could go Magic and craft ourselves an Avatar in a way Shards don't understand and thus couldn't trace back to us.

 

[Parzival95]

Ah but then we'd have three hosts plus whichever other Cauldron shards we end up recycling. Probably should invest in stranger danger before we expand too much.

Also pretty sure Rune goes to Immaculata in canon. I think she triggered publically in juvie so her identity is known, but the Empire gave her a fake ID as pretense.

Magic and psionics are also plausible alternatives, need research to know for sure.

Maybe Zister plan is best after all, if we turn some rando into Taylor's identically twin that could fool some shards. We would have to pretend to have the same powers though right?

Another alternative, we can make buds with copies of our minds, program them into loyalty to the greater Administrator hive mind and then share data and senses freely amongst each other. Having multiple hosts would be less suspicious, but risky in that buds could rebel against us or potentially be subverted.

And really, why bother with some rando when we just take over Coil. Because acre Coils. I'll admit however, that taking Coil is more complicated in that we would want to control his organization. Maybe if we had self replicator power. Have three identical Taylor. One the og Taylor. One us. One a Taylor who shapeshift s into Coils form, also us. I'm probably making this too complicated. Just have all the identities.

 

[Kejmur]

Or we could go Magic and craft ourselves an Avatar in a way Shards don't understand and thus couldn't trace back to us.

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Another way could be to pick up a host with Robotics specialty. Make him or her to build us a body, while we 'transfer' shard to it and take control over it, making us in a way like Dragon.

Administrator Terminator-Megaman Combo .

Trump (or strange Tinker) with specialty like Golems, so something similar to previous idea, but inside of a golem body made of titanium or something.

Panacea / Bio-Tinker options is already mentioned.

Also I am a bit unsure of how the Psionics will be integrated into the system that we currently have (will it become a new data type or something else?), but I have an idea for what we could do with it. We could give Taylor a Psionic awakening, then give her a thinker power that will make control and understanding easier while also allowing Taylor to borrow some psi from us in an emergency. Though this will all depend on how Psionics pan out.

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I wonder if in theory it could be possible to discover other energy sources like Nen, Chakra or Ki.

I can't believe you would suggest we steal PanPan's girl.

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Yeah, let's not ruin whole 'my girlfriend is my nurse' idea here as potential Mercy expy with Medical Tinker specialty .

Maybe Zister plan is best after all, if we turn some rando into Taylor's identically twin that could fool some shards. We would have to pretend to have the same powers though right?

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As I mentioned I would go with 'hey, we're an alien' introduction and we 'accidently' meet Taylor as our 'first contact' scenario, but I guess there is still that old clone idea.

And yeah, the twins examples we have in canon either have identical powers (Fenja & Menja) or they are Case 70, where trigger causes twins to 'merge' together. In this case powers are similar, but they don't need to be identical. Also in this case only one twin can control body, while the other one can only observe.

Another alternative, we can make buds with copies of our minds, program them into loyalty to the greater Administrator hive mind and then share data and senses freely amongst each other. Having multiple hosts would be less suspicious, but risky in that buds could rebel against us or potentially be subverted.

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Personally 'Hive-Mind' Clone idea is interesting, but you need... specific host or they may freak out as humans aren't used to the concept of hive mind obviously.

 

[Mount. Elements]

Going back to the dreams, I think it might be better for us to skip at least one night while we watch the fallout from the Danny and Emma dreams. Since the dream happens at the end of the update, we can't tell what the result will be before we vote on the next night's dream. I suspect that Taylor will want to figure out whether the dreams are true and try to test it out somehow. Unfortunately, I give it about 50/50 whether she actually opens up to Danny or instead tells Emma, "Mouth, nose, or an eye?"

Also, I think we might want to vote next time to fill Negotiator in on what we're doing with the Cauldron Shards. Maybe something like, "Currently, we're doing patch jobs while we figure out which Shards are salvageable. Emote has already been recycled because it was running out of Energy."

 

[Ducats]

Going back to the dreams, I think it might be better for us to skip at least one night while we watch the fallout from the Danny and Emma dreams. Since the dream happens at the end of the update, we can't tell what the result will be before we vote on the next night's dream. I suspect that Taylor will want to figure out whether the dreams are true and try to test it out somehow. Unfortunately, I give it about 50/50 whether she actually opens up to Danny or instead tells Emma, "Mouth, nose, or an eye?"

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Eh, I think we should just keep them going, we have seven so that makes neat week, but there is also the fact that after Emma each dream becomes dramatically less relevant to Taylor in the short term, so more dreams won't really mess things up.

 

[Parzival95]

We'd be the hive mind not the host, each bud joined with us as part of a greater Administrator. Taylor would only be talking directly with us, as one individual shard within the hive mind. Although I do want to have Taylor or a host with a hive mind present across multiple bodies.

Multitasking forever

P.S. Vhal can we set up a tier of research for that farther down the research tree. A hive mind consisting not of our buds reporting to is the original, but where original Administrator and all our buds form a greater overmind to maintain unity.

And I just realized that's psionics. Question answered.

P.S. Did I just make an empty post by accident? I guess not, thought there was something there.

 

[The_GrandMage]

Eh, I think we should just keep them going, we have seven so that makes neat week, but there is also the fact that after Emma each dream becomes dramatically immediatly relevant to Taylor so more dreams won't really mess things up.

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We should really see what happens before we do anything.
If we're making things worse we could force an early Trigger and lose a lot of what we wanted to do, which would make Taylor kind of a waste of potential.

 

[Parzival95]

I'm willing to skip a dream and see what she's up to. Although if she tells Emma eyes, nose, mouth that could be a trigger situation right quick.

 

[Ducats]

We should really see what happens before we do anything.
If we're making things worse we could force an early Trigger and lose a lot of what we wanted to do, which would make Taylor kind of a waste of potential.

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But, if we take too much time we will lose momentum, so unless we see some worrying behaviour we should just keep going. We also need to take into consideration that Taylor would need to prepare for most actions other than talking with her dad. She would have to set up a meeting with the school if she wants to quit, or make plans to have a discussion with Alan in the hopes that he will support Taylor (while I think it is unlikely that he will fuck over Emma at Taylor's behalf I don't think he will leave her to the wolves if he can help her either) and get Emma some real help. The list goes on and on, but the point is that most actions on Taylor's side will need preperations, especially if she figures out who Shadow Stalker is, she can't just wake up and decide to do something extreme without prepping or acting weird.

Tldr; I think we are beginning to fearmonger again.

 

[The_GrandMage]

Yeah, but waiting until the next chapter hits before having this discussion isn't losing momentum.

What I'm saying is, with no feedback from dreams yet it's too early to plan any farther than we have.

 

[Ducats]

Yeah, but waiting until the next chapter hits before having this discussion isn't losing momentum.

What I'm saying is, with no feedback from dreams yet it's too early to plan any farther than we have.

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True, but since we are talking about her potential reactions to the dreams, what kind of actions do you think she can get up to before the seventh dream? I think she might be able to talk to her dad, set up a meeting to withdraw from school or maybe they will talk to the Barnes. Another possible thing that might happen further out in the week is Taylor thinking she is parahuman.

Also got to go early school tomorrow.

 

[Parzival95]

Well considering we're planning to show her Eidolon out of coustume and some other truly grim facts about the truth of the world, she probably will figure out she's a parahuman.

Apparently a thinker who dreams randomly of what was, what is, and what might be. Which is actually a pretty good thinker power if we played along and looked up stuff to show her.

Maybe we could imply in a dream that she could ask her power to show her something and we could try to bring up something relevant

 

[veekie]

Or we could go Magic and craft ourselves an Avatar in a way Shards don't understand and thus couldn't trace back to us.

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Eh, make a Siberian-type projection not under the host control but anchored to the host. Not exactly unknown for powers

 

[Parzival95]

Eh, make a Siberian-type projection not under the host control but anchored to the host. Not exactly unknown for powers

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I like it. And look here:

• [ ] [Basic Magic Theory 1]: 250 Tinker Information, 150 Research.What is Magic, really? Is it even real, and, if so, what can it do? Shard Information and what memories you can access indicates that Entities have seen some shit... but they never did anything with it. Why is that?"Vengeance Nemesis Power, Make Up!"

Vengeance Nemesis Power, Make Up!

I wasn't paying attention before, but that's some dark magical girl transformation sequence right there. We could be Taylor's dark magical familiar. To steal from Silently Watches magical Taylor quest, we could be Bengal, an orange and black striped reality breaking cat woman companion.

P.S. I wouldn't actually want to do that, hes already doing it, we can come up with something equally hilarious and panic inducing.

 

[The_GrandMage]

Not suggesting this for this current voting, but as a plan to think about in the upcoming weeks:

[] Contact Singular
-[] Conflict Drive error, Host species returning more conflict with unpowered Hosts than powered Hosts.
-[] Correction: Redirect conflict from other Hosts to Ongoing Power Effects.
--[] Cycle errors have abundance of Ongoing Power Effects. Host species likely to support removal, create resources, opportunity, and motive for such.
--[] Likely to drive Powered Hosts towards Host, creating more meaningful Conflict with higher turnout of Data.

 

[Parzival95]

Please edit that with better grammar, it took me a minute to understand you want to do something about Bakuda. What do you mean ongoing power effects? That's literally the opposite of Singular. Do you want her to specifically antagonize other parahumans?

 

[Mount. Elements]

Please edit that with better grammar, it took me a minute to understand you want to do something about Bakuda. What do you mean ongoing power effects? That's literally the opposite of Singular. Do you want her to specifically antagonize other parahumans?

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I think that Ongoing Power Effects means something like Gray Boy's time bubbles, but I don't know what other examples there are. While she'd certainly love proving that she's better than other parahumans, I'm not sure what other reasons she would have to target ongoing power effects.

 

[The_GrandMage]

Please edit that with better grammar, it took me a minute to understand you want to do something about Bakuda. What do you mean ongoing power effects? That's literally the opposite of Singular. Do you want her to specifically antagonize other parahumans?

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I mean ongoing power effects. Effects, from a power, that are ongoing. Like Grey Boy bubbles, ongoing Master effects, etc.

Basically turn her from someone who lobs Tinker grenades around willy-nilly to someone who creates single-use devices to end ongoing issues. It'd probably get the attention of the Nine, but that's the point about driving powered hosts towards Singular's Host.

 

[Vhalidictes]

As I mentioned I would go with 'hey, we're an alien' introduction and we 'accidently' meet Taylor as our 'first contact' scenario, but I guess there is still that old clone idea.

And yeah, the twins examples we have in canon either have identical powers (Fenja & Menja) or they are Case 70, where trigger causes twins to 'merge' together. In this case powers are similar, but they don't need to be identical. Also in this case only one twin can control body, while the other one can only observe.

Personally 'Hive-Mind' Clone idea is interesting, but you need... specific host or they may freak out as humans aren't used to the concept of hive mind obviously.

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I think that you might be missing the obvious - any kind of Siberian-type power, or for that matter "clone" Master power, and you could just step into the power-copy-Taylor and just start talking/acting. No ADC required. You control what power(s) she gets, after all...

P.S. Vhal can we set up a tier of research for that farther down the research tree. A hive mind consisting not of our buds reporting to is the original, but where original Administrator and all our buds form a greater overmind to maintain unity.

And I just realized that's psionics. Question answered.

P.S. Did I just make an empty post by accident? I guess not, thought there was something there.

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There's a non-Psionic way to do this, so it was a good train of thought. Just keep researching the Multi-Host tree, it's there (as I already mentioned).

 

[Parzival95]

I like the idea of being Taylor's Siberian (or Bengal). The question is that more aberrant then ADC or creating a custom Zionesque avatar. I'm thinking less aberrant, as long as we make the actual projection have some personality of its own that we could seamlessly replace. Give it a copy of our mind that's not under our direct control that we can step into and update occasionally when we to speak directly with Taylor. Externally that is.

 

[Mount. Elements]

I know that the order that we do some of the research options affects things later on, but I'm not sure of all of the references. The quote for Basic Magic Theory is about Sailor Moon, and I think that someone mentioned Basic Psionic Theory leads to meeting Chaos Gods, which Google tells me is Warhammer 40K. Can someone please explain what Basic Dimensional Theory and Shadows on the Wall lead to?

 

[TigerTitian]

[] Dragon Slayer
-[] Brute 60-160. This one has lower Brute rating and starts from a slightly lower position. This build would be based more on speed and better hitting melee and blaster power. Mechanic is similar, but host stays mostly humanoid. And gets stronger with time, but in this case it may be based more on his or her willpower and determination instead of something like anger or conflict.
-[] Trump 140. This data is what allows to change mechanics of summoned powers. Like different elemental breath attacks (so fire breath suddenly may become lightning one, etc.). Or simply provide special abilities which standard dragon slayer form(s) don't provide.
-[] Changer 80. I think it doesn't really need more. Changes will show up like scales, claws, etc. but I think in the end host is supposed to stay humanoid more or less, but may grow up things like wings as well for example.
-[] Mover 140. Speed, lots of speed. While Lung is more about sheer power and tankiness, this would be more overwhelm with speed and power.

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Added to the list.

1) The schools are really large. Clarendon especially is supposed to be something like 30%

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Impossible. The logistical nightmare that would be the bus system for a school like that is just not workable.

I wonder if in theory it could be possible to discover other energy sources like Nen, Chakra or Ki.

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Claymore yoki! People powered shards!

Vengeance Nemesis Power, Make Up!

I wasn't paying attention before, but that's some dark magical girl transformation sequence right there. We could be Taylor's dark magical familiar. To steal from Silently Watches magical Taylor quest, we could be Bengal, an orange and black striped reality breaking cat woman companion.

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That's a reference to another of Vhal's stories. That branch of research is going to be dangerous.

 

[KidFromPallet]

Uncertain if the vote has officially been closed yet, so I'm dropping this. I officially throw my support behind the Rune catgirl idea.

[X] Change Veronica's Power

[X] Multitasking
-[X] Apply multitasking to Valiant's power where applicable.

[X] Plan Administrated Gallantry Power
-[X] Thinker 40+60 information. Improved precision of emotion sensing. Gains impressions of memories associated with most prominent emotions. Able to sense emotions out to 100m radius, including unseen targets. Targets affected by blasts can be tracked for up to one day after impact.
-[X] Blaster 60+40 information. Increased finesse and speed of blasts, better ability to hit multiple targets at once. At maximum finesse, blasts are hair-thick and invisible to the naked eye beyond a barely visible flicker. Impact force imparted by a beam ranges from 1 pound to 500 pounds, distributed evenly across the impact area(note that 500 pounds applied to a hair thick blast is going to be more of a piercing rather than concussive effect) and brightness relative to amount of force imparted. Once a target has been struck once, they can be retargeted spending any conscious attention as long as they remain within the Thinker ability's primary range. Beams default to a two inch thick ray, with color based on the Host's mental association of the emotional payload with a given color.
-[X] Master 60+40 information. Increased duration and finesse of emotional effect. Sustained hits allow for the emphasis or deemphasis of emotion-associated memories.


[X] Rune should go after Panacea for catgirl mods. Rune should totally turn out to be in the closet. Hijinks ensue.