Yeah, but that doesn't mean she will know everything she simulates. For example we don't know how we're able to have infinite multitasking. The powers works as a black box to the Shards, so unless we're mentioned as the reason one step has to be taken then she wouldn't know about us.
[HALP] me! (WORM quest)
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TigerTitian
High Lord of the Antares
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Don't argue with me there! I was defending why attacking PTV was a bad idea. By arguing against me you're agreeing with why I think it's possible (and maybe a good idea) to eat PTV.
Assuming that Taylor's brain is fixed, I think that we should send her the Danny dream again the next chance we get. That should help improve her Sanity and let us see how much Danny can actually do and whether we even need our future human avatar to step in.
After that, I'd like to get Taylor's input on what kind of power she should get. The problem is that we don't know how to seal her memories, especially with her specialized brain, so we can't tell her and then make her forget until she triggers. I've been trying to think of alternate ways to get her opinion, but each of them has problems. I figured I'd share the ideas to see what someone else can come up with.
Option one is to have Taylor dream about a class assignment on the different types of powers or designing your own cape powers. I could see Mr. Gladly doing this, but the problem is that SCHOOL has very negative connotations for Taylor. If we have one of her classmates presenting one of our ideas as their ideal cape power, is she reacting to the idea or to the classmate? Also, if she's forced to do a presentation on her ideal cape powers, she's likely to conform to what's the least likely to get her laughed at instead of presenting her actual opinion. A presentation on the different types of powers would give less specific information, but it would hopefully be less influenced by the bullying.
Option two is for Taylor to dream about designing a cape, either for a contest or fanfiction. We don't have to worry so much about whether possible negative attention is influencing the results, but just because she designed the cape powers doesn't mean that she necessarily would like to get them herself. Plus, if she figures out that she's been having weird dreams recently, then a dream like this might make her suspect she's going to be a cape. Of course, the previous dreams and her sudden improvement in health might also make her think she's a cape. Are we going to have to get Stronger Trigger in order for her to trigger at all? She still had the possibility to trigger after getting the previous dreams, but that was with her brain being impaired.
After that, I'd like to get Taylor's input on what kind of power she should get. The problem is that we don't know how to seal her memories, especially with her specialized brain, so we can't tell her and then make her forget until she triggers. I've been trying to think of alternate ways to get her opinion, but each of them has problems. I figured I'd share the ideas to see what someone else can come up with.
Option one is to have Taylor dream about a class assignment on the different types of powers or designing your own cape powers. I could see Mr. Gladly doing this, but the problem is that SCHOOL has very negative connotations for Taylor. If we have one of her classmates presenting one of our ideas as their ideal cape power, is she reacting to the idea or to the classmate? Also, if she's forced to do a presentation on her ideal cape powers, she's likely to conform to what's the least likely to get her laughed at instead of presenting her actual opinion. A presentation on the different types of powers would give less specific information, but it would hopefully be less influenced by the bullying.
Option two is for Taylor to dream about designing a cape, either for a contest or fanfiction. We don't have to worry so much about whether possible negative attention is influencing the results, but just because she designed the cape powers doesn't mean that she necessarily would like to get them herself. Plus, if she figures out that she's been having weird dreams recently, then a dream like this might make her suspect she's going to be a cape. Of course, the previous dreams and her sudden improvement in health might also make her think she's a cape. Are we going to have to get Stronger Trigger in order for her to trigger at all? She still had the possibility to trigger after getting the previous dreams, but that was with her brain being impaired.
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I really like the concept of having Taylor design a power, or presenting our ideas as projects she can rate. But that ultimately comes back to making Vhal decide. At best he rolls dice for what Taylor wants, and is that really how we want to do this? I still want to do it now that you've mentioned it, but I don't imagine we'd get anything but vague approval towards a few options.
For the design, we could literally show her how we design powers. Give her the categories, however much data we have in each plus a little more for wiggle room, and have the teacher explain the rules of power design as Vhal gave them to us. I want to do it just to do it now, even if Vhal can't give us a definitive answer. Very meta.
For the design, we could literally show her how we design powers. Give her the categories, however much data we have in each plus a little more for wiggle room, and have the teacher explain the rules of power design as Vhal gave them to us. I want to do it just to do it now, even if Vhal can't give us a definitive answer. Very meta.
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TigerTitian
High Lord of the Antares
- Location
- USA
My idea on how to get her to give us her desires.
Make a puzzle. Each power category has a shape. The amount of info we have for each category is how many of those pieces she has available. And lastly a third piece with key words on it. See what she puts together.
Make a puzzle. Each power category has a shape. The amount of info we have for each category is how many of those pieces she has available. And lastly a third piece with key words on it. See what she puts together.
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That sounds cool too, but maybe too abstract. Although it sounds vague enough Vhal could do it. Have Taylor give us a general idea and leave it up to us design the details to her desires.
Like, she fits it together as mover, trump, thinker with the word Undercut as the connective tissue, is that what you mean?
Like, she fits it together as mover, trump, thinker with the word Undercut as the connective tissue, is that what you mean?
TigerTitian
High Lord of the Antares
- Location
- USA
Pretty much yeah. She'd be able to use more than one word but nowhere near full sentences. Just core concepts. 10 master pieces + bugs + control = canon power.
I don't like that because we don't have the research for the mind merging and would have to roll for it.
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I like running a simulation of her shard side speperately to talk to. Keep it updated from the Earth Bet but only reunite them after the trigger. But I think we'd have to roll for it, and the could be risky. Maybe I can use my bonus for autocrit there?
Could I do that Vhal?
Could I do that Vhal?
It MIGHT be possible because Vhalidictes has mentioned that they are good at keeping OCs separate from GM knowledge, which apparently is bad for D&D campaigns but should work here for various characters giving Admin advice. At least, I remember reading that, but I can't find the post while searching the thread.
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You are correct. Have a Quote to prove your citation:
Should be able to, as long as it's only one roll. Might be able to make a unique skill to simulate our Hosts, as well. Then we could talk to them all without Aberration. Need to do something else to re-integrate them, but we have time. Might also be able to grill Taylor on ways to help her with her SAN.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
I mean, even with just real world sciences there's been some interesting theoretical cases and suppositions that seem to question the guarantee of entropy when enough energy is in play (say, neutron star amounts of energy). Not to mention singularities, which by definition break their fair share of the rules. Depending on what's out there in the world of direct study of stellar phenomena, it would be ironic to claim that the reason the entities can't solve entropy on a large scale is because they don't appear to target interstellar species that would have a more thorough grounding in that kind of high-energy science (too hard to make the power effect species-wide).
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Theoretical sciences aren't real sciences. Until you've tested and either disproven or found your hypothesis capable of surviving testing, it's indistinguishable from making things up.
Mostly because the universe is very complex and oftentimes some variable somewhere has been left out, making the math off.
But I don't want to talk about hard sciences. I want to have a discussion of Shard/Host bleed-through. Thankfully people voted for my testing pattern on Lilac to see just how much data they're getting back from us through the connection, even though I didn't set it up beforehand or bring discussion up about it at all.
Was that because everyone else just supported the idea? They had similar thoughts unsaid? How much impact do you think our Hosts can 'hear' from us?
Mostly because the universe is very complex and oftentimes some variable somewhere has been left out, making the math off.
But I don't want to talk about hard sciences. I want to have a discussion of Shard/Host bleed-through. Thankfully people voted for my testing pattern on Lilac to see just how much data they're getting back from us through the connection, even though I didn't set it up beforehand or bring discussion up about it at all.
Was that because everyone else just supported the idea? They had similar thoughts unsaid? How much impact do you think our Hosts can 'hear' from us?
Vhalidictes
(Verified Demon)
- Location
- Las Vegas
I would not roll for what Taylor wants. I have a fully functional Taylor VI for this Quest, she would decide for herself. I think you'd be surprised what she'd come up with.
I've run some sims, and what she comes up with is very... Taylor. Don't worry, I reset the VI after the tests. (Sorry, no spoilers.)
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Should be easy, remember the Dream Master research I wrote, I based it on real sleep and one of the hurdles of communicating via dreams is the fact that dreams happen in REM. The problem with that is the fact that the parts of our brains that store memories are more or less deactivated, so for Dream Master to work we need to be able to control the formation of memories, i.e. memory uploads are a mandatory sub skill for Dream Master.
Vhalidictes
(Verified Demon)
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You could, but remember that your autocrit would only work for one roll. Could be interesting trying to shut her down again.
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So we do some research first. Or we write some more omakes for those sweet, sweet bonuses.
Otherwise I like this plan.
Although it seems much easier to just let Taylor design some powers in her dreams, we should do that. We could make it a regular thing for hosts, though Taylor gets the most input. I don't trust Greg or Charlotte or whoever nearly as much to make a good power, we know Taylor's a munchkin at least.
No need to get overcomplicated.
Otherwise I like this plan.
Although it seems much easier to just let Taylor design some powers in her dreams, we should do that. We could make it a regular thing for hosts, though Taylor gets the most input. I don't trust Greg or Charlotte or whoever nearly as much to make a good power, we know Taylor's a munchkin at least.
No need to get overcomplicated.
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Eh, Taylor's munchkinness is mostly need driving innovation and not her being able to come up with something by herself, if she was, a lot of her problems would be non issues.
The Amazing Adventures of Abaddon and Collin Episode: Origin
KidFromPallet
Pokemon Fan
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- Pallet Town
This is beautiful. One second.
The Amazing Adventures of Abaddon and Collin
Episode: Origin
>Be Abaddon
>Be soaring through space like a majestic space whale.
>Check out the new Shards you got.
>They're all trash tier.
>My feel when.
>Turn around to give that swindling normie a piece of your mind.
>Whoops.jpg
>She asploded.
>Guess she just wasn't up to handling your specialty Shards.
>Grorious Entity Shards, specialized over a thousand times.
>The other one's just kinda floating there.
>Feels bad man.
>You should probably keep an eye on him.
>He looks like he's going to commit sudoku.
>Guilt trip.wav
>You can't back out now.
>Looks like Zion made a host.
>You should probably do that too.
>He made literal Superman.
>Laughs at the normie.
>Your host will be much better.
>Now let's see...
>This one. This one will do nicely.
>Supervillain laugh.wav
The sun shone down through the cold winter morning, a lone ray finding itself piercing through a college dorm window. Collin Wallis groggily stirred from his position slumped over his computer. He wiped a thin strand of drool from his mouth as he tried to remember why he wasn't in his bed.
"Let's see... I was studying for Psychology, and then I checked that email and... Right, someone was wrong on the internet again." Collin shifted out of his chair, trying in vain to stretch out some of the cricks and aches that had developed in his neck. He grabbed a bottle of fruit juice and a half eaten slice of pizza from the mini-fridge that he'd brought into the dorm last semester, sighing as he sat down to eat.
Really, it wasn't his fault some people had shit taste in waifus. I mean really, going for that younger peppy girl when the best older-sister type ever was right there! Collin really didn't understand some people. Grabbing a banana and a fresh piece of toast to eat on the run, as is tradition, Collin set about preparing for another day of classes.
>Be Abaddon
>Be in Collin's dorm
>Be excited for a host
>Herewego.jpg
"Okay, what the hell is this?" Collin exclaimed as he turned to face the center of the room, where something hovered. "Is this some kind of cape prank between dorms? But why would anyone target me? I have literally never given anyone a reason to notice my existence." Collin took a small step back before feeling the back of his leg run into his bed.
>Be Abaddon
>Look like Kyubey now.
>Gonna make some contracts now.
>Well, just one.
"No. No. Fuck no, I'm not becoming a magical girl. Now who the heck are you? Is Oozma Cappa pranking people again?" Collin's eyes dilated as a nervous sweat began to roll down his neck. "Is this a new villain? Is my dorm being invaded by a new villain?"
>Be Abaddon
>"I am the god of this world"
>No, but seriously.
>Anything you can do, I can do better.wav
>Explain to Collin that you want to use him as a host.
"Hell no, why would I give up my body to you!?" Collin inwardly seethed. This was his body, damn it! He'd spent twenty years with the thing. Like hell he was just going to give it up.
>Explain that Collin will be fine.
>You won't do anything to his personality.
>You just want a way to check in on this world.
>Explain you choose Collin because he was the only prospective host that wasn't a filthy normie.
>...
>You'll give him powers.
>Tell him that you can give him whatever power he wants.
"Fine. If this is real... Then give me the power of munchkinry. The power to endlessly adapt and improve." Collin was hesitant. Anyone would be, really. But if what this thing in front of him was saying was true... If there was a chance that Collin could actually...
>Be Abaddon.
>Be amused.
>Evil laugh.wav
>Tell Collin that you will give him the power of [Optimization]
>This is why you choose him!
>Finally, someone else who's not a fucking normie!
>Bond with Collin
>Everything goes well.
>Phew.jpg
>Be Abaddon
>Be Collin Wallis
>Grin
>We anime now, son.
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- Florida, USA
Hey, you did some Moon science research. If we're about 10 miles thick, looking at how much landmass we cover, how much of the mass of the moon would we equal?
I'm trying to work out if these options to eat the moon or earth are viable or not.
About Greg and Charlotte, does somebody remember if they have a Corona?
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Seeing the discussion about asking Taylor what powers she wants, don't you think it would be a lot easier if we just extracted the information out of her mind the same way we're doing to Charge??
Now, I'm against this but because I really want Taylor to genuinely come to trust us and, given that we're an authority figure for her (we administer her powers) it may be difficult. Doing it asking Taylor would evite the eventuals argument of "And why didn't you consult me, those are my powers! I am the one who is going to have to live the rest of her life with them." or others similar ones.
Actually I'm not even that comfortable with formatting her brain without consulting her, because that is her brain and it may seen as a massive breach of trust in the future. But the fact that it may contain something left by QA and we can't contact her without causing Aberrance to go up or making her Trigger (like informing her), make doing it without telling her necessary.
So to evite this I think the best thing to do it's to come clear with her (when it doesn't cause Aberrance, that is) and establish a more or less partnership relation, in the sense that she advices us and we advice her, instead of one when we gives her powers and do others things for her but she doesn't have a say in them.
I personally wanted to see the impact we'd have on our Host, and how much impact the Host would have in us, because if it's a lot then having a lot of Host, each one influencing us would be a bad idea.
I asked Vhal if it was possible eating the Earth and expanding towards its core and he said it was.
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On another note, can't remember if it was in anyones plan, but we should start thinking about contacting Safeguard if we want to tell Taylor anything too Shardy, given its mission of blocking the Entites vision, and probably anything too Shard related.
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Math time:
AFAIK, we cover all of Earth's land minus the Americas and Antarctica. I don't think we cover the oceans yet, except to connect to Australia. That's a surface area of about 93 million km^2, round to 100 million km^2 since I'm lazy and we overflow to connect islands up.
We also cover half the Moon, which is 38 million km^2; adding and rounding up to 120 million km^2 of land. 10 miles is 16 km tall; mostly negligible (less than 1% of their radius) compared to the diameter of the Earth or Moon. So we can assume it's basically a box-shape. (Yes, this is entirely an excuse to not calculate a partial layer's volume on two different spheres.) Anyway, that gives us a volume of 1.920 billion km^3, or 1.92 x 10^18 m^3. That's a lot.
I have no clue what Shards are made of. Let's go with a few analogues: Flesh (well, muscle) is 1060 kg/m^3, Quartz (we are crystalline, right?) is 2650 kg/m^3, Osmium (densest metal) is 22,600 kg/m^3, and bullshit Shardium we'll say is 100,000 kg/m^3. Personally I think we're closest to Quartz, but I have no clue whatsoever. Anyway, for the four densities:
A flesh Shard weighs 2.03 x 10^21 kg.
A crystalline Shard weighs 5.09 x 10^21 kg.
A dense metal Shard weighs 4.34 x 10^22 kg.
An esoteric Shard weighs 1.92 x 10^23 kg.
The Moon weighs 7.35 x 10^22 kg, Earth weighs 5.97 x 10^24 kg. So we are somewhere from 2.8% to 260% of the Moon's mass, and between irrelevant to 3.2% of the Earth's mass. Out of interest, direct E = mc^2 gives 6.6 x 10^39 J, and the Earth gives 5.4 x 10^41 J. I'm not sure if my mass numbers are right though; it seems really high compared to what I thought. Maybe I messed up with the unit conversion somewhere - I'm really tired.
In conclusion, the Moon is somewhere from "doable slowly" to "almost not worth doing". The Earth is somewhere between "impossible in any reasonable timeframe" to "doable slowly but a bad idea". Do keep in mind; the mantle burnt us before, and it will again. It's 4,000 C. Luckily, the Moon is cold - only 1,400 C at the very centre. We can probably eat the moon if we wanted to, although the middle might burn us a bit. Not too bad though. Earth is a bad idea - the Core is the temperature of the Sun's surface.
Sidenote: If I'm right, we could benefit greatly if we have a density greater than Earth and eat it: The extra mass would cause us to fall into a lower orbit (IIRC, not the Sun though - I can check this on Universe Simulator 2) where we can get more solar energy and maybe expand to Mercury. Downsides... how hard is the Constitution check for surviving an impact with Venus?
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TigerTitian
High Lord of the Antares
- Location
- USA
Mostly to get her trust.
The moon's volume is 10^10 km3. We might be massive enough to do it, but we lack the volume to pretend to be the moon.
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Unless we care about sentimentality, we can actually be the Moon. The simple equations governing orbits don't care about volume, only mass. If we weigh as much as the Moon, most things would be similar. We would orbit at the same height for the same time. It's why replacing the Sun with a 1 solar mass black hole wouldn't change anything gravitationally.
TigerTitian
High Lord of the Antares
- Location
- USA
You're correct about the mass (which I said) but the point was that we wouldn't look like the moon. Being an all seeing eye in the sky that no one suspects has a certain appeal.