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Well if Madison is triggering as a tinker that means she's been very stressed and traumatized with no clear solution for a long time. We can probably flip her against the other two once she triggers, and we can probably manipulate her trigger too.

And Inknow you guys are apparenltybthe merciless sort who want nothing more than to torment and kill anyone who's ever done anything and amoral, but I prefer to give second chances and encourage redemption.

Purity is a an idiot who deserves prison time but that's the PRTs business so long as we can get her away from Max. Runes am idot kid.

The undersiders are idiot teenagers who got screwed over but they do well enough.

Madison.... I mean this is Worm. Wildbow seems to like the GRRM school of character design where there's no white hats and black hats.

If we can flip them, I say we flip them.

Besides, surveillance sounds like a pretty good tinker power that I want working for us.

I think host modification allows for humanoid shapeshifting yes, but it causes aberrance to use outside of triggers so it's a last resort. Better to use a changer power.
 
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I don't particularly care about harming Madison. And the Undersiders would make a good addition to a new Hero team to usurp the PRT, especially if we can bring in New Wave.

Purity. . . Needs a lot of time and effort to fix. I don't particularly care to be her PR team for what little she'll bring in when we can sense share with her after she moves and is someone else's problem. Go do a redemption arc elsewhere, Kayden.
 
My major worry about ADCing Coil is the aberrance, especially since we know that sense-sharing sends all of the hosts' data to all of the Shards involved. We've done pretty well in explaining away any incongruities to Gaea so far, and I doubt Telekinetic, Shift, and Negotiator will care too much, but we'd have to be really careful in sense-sharing with any sapient Shards in the future. Yes, we can do one-way sense-sharing, but why would any sapient Shards agree to that without us using one of our Favours.

From Vhalidictes' posts, it sounds like taking over the body of a dying person doesn't create aberrance, which is why I prefer that option. It doesn't come with Coil's network, but we'd likely have to ask Lisa/Negotiator for help to keep it together if we ADCed Coil anyway. I got the impression from fanfiction that some of Coil's mercenaries are pretty reprehensible, and running the network would probably take a lot of work.
 
Gino said:
OR, or, and hear me out. We burn Winslow to the ground and salt the earth. Place is near enough cursed, it's the only way to be sure. I bet they built it on an Indian burial ground.
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I'm completly ok with this idea.

The_GrandMage said:
I'm all for ADCing Coil and just letting Tattletale know Coil is no longer Coil (by having Negotiator make it clear) and she's free to leave or stay employed as she wishes.
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But what would we do when Cauldron comes calling a favor, or if Contessa try to verify if asking us a favor to achive a result would work?

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On another note, what group is Taylor going to join (or create)??
 
Well yeah, Creep and Pitter are pretty awful and vaguely pedo, there's probably more like them.

Well if we're ADCing Coil we still have acess to his power. We just go along with the favor. And if they kill us, we'll wed be sharing with Tattletale anyway, she can take over and we'll find a new avatar.

I'm for having Lisa ADC Coil turn the Undersiders into a vigilante group, or at least rogues. Taylor could work with them.

I'm aslobfor encouraging a split in New Wave with Vicky and Val aiding with Amy against Carols Carolness. Heal Flashbang. Maybe get Shielder and Laserdream. Maybe send Lilac either way.

Taylor can make that decision yes, once we tell her what's going on.

I'd like her to be freinds with Lisa and Amy both though.
 
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I want to talk to Incendiary (Flashbang) and Light Forge (Brandish) before deciding anything about New Wave. Are the Shards influencing their hosts somehow, or is it all Carol and Neil?
 
Well they're probably making things worse. Though Amy was able to cure Marks depression in canon so it's not all Incendiarys fault.
 
Mount. Elements said:
My major worry about ADCing Coil is the aberrance, especially since we know that sense-sharing sends all of the hosts' data to all of the Shards involved.
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As far as I'm aware, from earlier conversations, We can choose which Host data to stream and simply not stream out Coil's. @Vhalidictes can you confirm that? I think as long as we don't do other aberrant behavior and keep fixing Shards of should lower fine.

Retrueno said:
But what would we do when Cauldron comes calling a favor, or if Contessa try to verify if asking us a favor to achive a result would work?
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We do it? Their stupid plans shouldn't harm ours.
 
Contessa: "Would Coil do X if we ask it as our favor?"

PtV: Fog (I'm sorry I can't give you that information because some stupid diying Entity put restrictions in me and... as he's being controlled by a Shard I can't tell you... Wait a moment, controlled by a Shard!? that's something only an Heretic Aberrant Shard would do!!!).

Contessa: "I can't see Coil, he's become a blindspot"

Doctor Mother: "Let's kidnap him and extract the information we want out of him!!!"
 
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Why would Cauldron do that? Coil is not a valuable asset. He's a guy who owes them money whose ambition lines up with an experiment they are running. As long as we stay on task they'll tell us to do stuff as needed and only pay attention of we try to get out of the bill.

And Contessa won't drop a valuable path to check on one debtor in a city outside her current, world-saving paths.

Y'all being paranoid that the government will spend the grand to send a SWAT team to catch you for shorting your taxes fifteen dollars when they could just mail you a bill for under a dollar.
 
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I'd say we should try to talk to Cauldron if I wasn't sure that PtV can't be trusted not to turn them against us.
 
Polenball said:
How good is [Basic Host Modification]? Is it good enough to work as regular shapeshifting without significant drawbacks? Because if it is good, we could turn our Avatar into Coil when we need to be Coil, and be the AdminSisTaylor (On another note, this is totally what I'm calling the older sister Avatar) the rest of the time. Dude's already secretive, and his mercs are loyal enough - impersonate him properly and they probably won't care why the boss doesn't come into the base as much anymore.
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This could work.

Retrueno said:
Contessa: "Would Coil do X if we ask it as our favor?"

PtV: Fog (I'm sorry I can't give you that information because some stupid diying Entity put restrictions in me and... as he's being controlled by a Shard I can't tell you... Wait a moment, controlled by a Shard!? that's something only an Heretic Aberrant Shard would do!!!).

Contessa: "I can't see Coil, he's become a blindspot"

Doctor Mother: "Let's kidnap him and extract the information we want out of him!!!"
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So what? They can't make us tell them anything. All our thoughts are shard side just channeled through the body. The body might feel pain but we can either ignore it or get rid of the body.
 
I was more concerned about PtV discovering Aberrant behaviour.

Gino said:
I'd say we should try to talk to Cauldron if I wasn't sure that PtV can't be trusted not to turn them against us.
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We can always feed them information through another sources (Piggot dreams weird things and ends up informing Rebecca, dreams to the Number Man (whose Shard is a lesser Shard, so it should be easy), Tagg dreams weird things and ends up informing Rebecca, we give info to Coil/Vatery/Triumph who then uses up to repay his favor, etc.)
 
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Retrueno said:
I was more concerned about PtV discovering Aberrant behaviour.
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Again, so what? Our abberance is currently 0. If it increases a little isn't a big deal. We just need to manage it is all. And if you're worried about PTV reporting us to Zion, let's just eat PTV. Based on our behavior with Emote and Prosthetic we have a cover story ready.
 
Also, I'm pretty sure Coil's favor is the experiment in Brockton Bay. I think Cauldron calling on him again is unlikely.

Tell you what, we're grabbing Twin's data this turn, if it turns out to include his host data we can look through and check. If his plan is paying the favor back, We ADC him and do it our way. If not, We shop around.
 
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Cauldron triggers owe multiple favors. I think Battery and Coil each have a favor left at this point.
 
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The_GrandMage said:
Tell you what, we're grabbing Twin's data this turn, if it turns out to include his host data we can look through and check. If his plan is paying the favor back, We ADC him and do it our way. If not, We shop around.
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I'm perfectly fine with this.

TigerTitian said:
let's just eat PTV.
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I seriously doubt this is possible without getting something like Mantellum's power. PtV could always found a way to win if we try to eat it, be it eating us back with... or informing Zion that one of its Shards has gone Rogue.

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As a random thought, does somebody believes we'd be able (in a far, far future) to reverse Entropy?? The Entities haven't been able to, but we're not an Entity (yet) and we don't lack their imagination.
 
Plan to reverse entropy. Multiverse our way to DC and steal the source.

Plan 2. Look through the multiverses very early universes just at their Big Bangs. Murder them in their cribs and steal the energy.

Plan 3. Create our own universes inside other universes. Pocket universes all the way down.
 
Retrueno said:
I seriously doubt this is possible without getting something like Mantellum's power. PtV could always found a way to win if we try to eat it, be it eating us back with... or informing Zion that one of its Shards has gone Rogue.
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Shards give powers yes, but don't innately have those powers. PTV can only use Contessa's power. Which doesn't work on us.

And even if PTV did report to Zion that we were going to eat it that wouldn't make us rogue. PTV is an eden shard. Eden's dead. Reclaiming eden shards is in zion's best interest. Hell, I bet he would approve of us eating PTV.
 
Gino said:
Plan to reverse entropy. Multiverse our way to DC and steal the source.

Plan 2. Look through the multiverses very early universes just at their Big Bangs. Murder them in their cribs and steal the energy.

Plan 3. Create our own universes inside other universes. Pocket universes all the way down.
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Laplace's demon + Maxwell's demon is a good starting point.
 
No, we won't reverse entropy. That's not how our universe works.

Unlike the entities, we can do things besides breed endlessly, though, so we'll be fine.
 
Gino said:
Maybe, but that's the kind of risk that's suicidal if we bet wrong
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If we tell him PTV's host is actively seeking his death he'll believe us over PTV. We already know host/shard bleed over is a thing. Shift is a perfect example. We could say PTV likely also wants his death. That'd be enough to convince him.
 
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