[HALP] me! (WORM quest)

Shards give powers yes, but don't innately have those powers. PTV can only use Contessa's power. Which doesn't work on us.

Probably, more or less valid for others Shards, but I'm not so sure for PtV. PtV is the solution to Outside of Context problems for Entities, this is the reason it doesn't have a lot of the restrictions that Shards normally have.

Moreover, if I remember correctly, PtV is an Abaddon's Shard (cause It's alive), not an Eden's Shard. And Abbadon's Shards are completly different from Zion and Eden's Shards. It's as if they were in a completly different hardware/OS/Programming language.
 
If we tell him PTV's host is actively seeking his death he'll believe us over PTV. We already know host/shard bleed over is a thing. Shift is a perfect example. We could say PTV likely also wants his death. That'd be enough to convince him.

While true, also is shooting ourselves in the foot. They provide a good distraction at least.

Don't recognize the demons.

P.S. Nvm, read up, that is some philosophical bull right there.
 
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this is the reason it doesn't have a lot of the restrictions that Shards normally have.
Unless I'm misremembering, didn't eden restrict PTV before she died?

Moreover, if I remember correctly, PtV is an Abaddon's Shard (cause It's alive), not an Eden's Shard. And Abbadon's Shards are completly different from Zion and Eden's Shards. It's as if they were in a completly different
All the more reason for us to eat PTV. If we have to do it the hard way... we did and can reach offensive techs.

While true, also is shooting ourselves in the foot. They provide a good distraction at least.
This is only true if we want to fight Zion host side. We lose out there but gain shard side.

Don't recognize the demons.
Laplace. Maxwell.
 
Unless I'm misremembering, didn't eden restrict PTV before she died?

Yes she did. Althought I was thinking more in the lines that she restricted what the Shard could tell its Host, more than what PtV could and could not figure out, for time constraints.

All the more reason for us to eat PTV. If we have to do it the hard way... we did and can reach offensive techs.

Are you sure you want us to eat the Shard of another, not depressed and not dead, Entity? At worst case it could contact Abaddon and tell him there're here 2 Entities ready to be eaten...

Unlike the entities, we can do things besides breed endlessly, though, so we'll be fine.

Like what?? Are you saying there're better things that to breed endlessly to the point where there is no more space in the Universe? Cause if it's like that then let's agree to disagree:p:p
 
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Are you sure you want us to eat the Shard of another, not depressed and not dead, Entity? At worst case it could contact Abaddon and tell him there're here 2 Entities ready to be eaten...
Abaddon wouldn't attack. That shard was rightfully gained in a trade. It is eden's and therefore ours by all rights. And if abaddon doesn't care about that he'd attack us anyways, with or without PTV prompting.

Yes she did. Althought I was thinking more in the lines that she restricted what the Shard could tell its Host, more than what PtV could and could not figure out, for time constraints.
If that is true we've already lost this quest. If PTV has unrestricted usage of PTV there is no way for us to win this quest. It's already calculated everything everyone, shard or human, will do and will do whatever it wants.
 
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Abaddon wouldn't attack. That shard was rightfully gained in a trade. It is eden's abed therefore ours by all rights. And if abaddon doesn't care about that he'd attack us anyways, with or without PTV prompting.

Yeah, but if the 2 Entities (or 1 and the other was useless) died then why not eat them? It's the most cost-efficient/utilitary action.

And if all of this was an Abaddon plot, the fact that something not in its plans happened would raise a few alarms.

If that is true we've already lost this quest. If PTV has unrestricted usage of PTV there is no way for us to win this quest. It's already calculated everything everyone, shard or human, will do and will do whatever it wants.

I don't think it's like that, it only calculate answers to questions posed, it shouldn't have any reason to aks itself something that could compromise us (yet). Moreover I suposse its powers works as a black box, in the sense it gives the optimal path but doesn't get to know anything else (like, let's say, certain Shard behaving strangely / aberrantly) unless it's included in one step (or the reasons why that step must be executed).

In fact, given the inmense cost of using PtV and seeing how stingy Zion was beign, it's possible that one of its restrictions is that it can not ask itself questions. Also it's extremely probable that if this restriction exists, then it's in place (because Abaddon would also have it restricted that way).
 
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Yeah, but if the 2 Entities (or 1 and the other was useless) dyied then why not eat them? It's the most cost-efficient/utilitary action.
Zion won't just sit there and die. He will fight back. And before you say "what if he doesn't" then we've already won. We just eat Zion ourselves since he won't fight back and we avert golden morning. One of primary objectives complete.

And if all of this was an Abaddon plot, the fact that something not in its plans happened would raise a few alarms.
I don't want to say it, but this is fearmongering. This argument could be applied to everything we do and have done. By this logic Abaddon is always watching and is already preparing to kill us since the admin shard is clearly not acting according to canon.

I don't think it's like that, it only calculate answers to questions posed, it shouldn't have any reason to aks itself something that could compromise us (yet). Moreover suposse its powers works as a black box, in the sense it gives the optimal path but doesn't get to know anything else (like, let's say, certain Shard behaving strangely / aberrantly) unless it's included in one step (or the reasons why that step must be executed).

In fact, given the inmense cost of using PtV and seeing how stingy Zion was beign, it's possible that one of its restrictions is that it can not ask itself questions. Also it's extremely probable that if this restriction exists, then it's in place (because Abaddon would also have it restricted that way).
If PTV can't ask itself questions... we just eat it after stunning it.
 
Zion won't just sit there and die. He will fight back.

I don't think he can win against Abaddon as it's. He doesn't have the majority of its Shards, so it'd be almost useless to him to fight Abaddon. Given how... efficiency focushed are the Entities, I really think he would let himself be eaten by another Entity (not by us).

I don't want to say it, but this is fearmongering. This argument could be applied to everything we do and have done. By this logic Abaddon is always watching and is already preparing to kill us since the admin shard is clearly not acting according to canon.

You're right. Let's forget I've said it (not sarcasm).

If PTV can't ask itself questions... we just eat it after stunning it.

Yeah, completly, the problem obviously is how are we going to verify that restrictions. Probably searching QA memories would be a good idea for that.

Another thought btw. It's even safe for us to eat PtV, or in general, any Abaddon Shard? Given the massive difference beetwen them and us (different hardware/OS/programming language), it's possible that eating it the same way we've eaten protestic for example would backfire us for compatibility reasons.

This said we're speaking in too much hypotheticals, for all we know, maybe PtV is a super cute Shard, with abandonment problems and lack of confidence in itself.
 
I don't think he can win against Abaddon as it's. He doesn't have the majority of its Shards, so it'd be almost useless to him to fight Abaddon. Given how... efficiency focushed are the Entities, I really think he would let himself be eaten by another Entity (not by us).
I think it's safe to say that at that point there's nothing we can do to stop it. Might as well keep doing as we're doing.

Yeah, completly, the problem obviously is how are we going to verify that restrictions. Probably searching QA memories would be a good idea for that.
We have a research for that!
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It might take awhile at this rate.

Another thought btw. It's even safe for us to eat PtV, or in general, any Abaddon Shard? Given the massive difference beetwen them and us (different hardware/OS/programming language), it's possible that eating it the same way we've eaten protestic for example would backfire us for compatibility reasons.
It's not like installing a USB. We completely breakdown and reformat shards when we do this. It's why we don't hear the hundreds of shards that used to be emote talking to us.

This said we're speaking in too much hypotheticals, for all we know, maybe PtV is a super cute Shard, with abandonment problems and lack of confidence in itself.
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Are you trying to inspire the thread to waifu PTV? Cuz it's working on me.
 
It's not like installing a USB. We completely breakdown and reformat shards when we do this. It's why we don't hear the hundreds of shards that used to be emote talking to us.

I thought that was only possible because The Warrior and The Thinker have a symbiotic/dependent relationship and assumed it wouldn't be so easy in other Entites. Though there is probably a Research for that somewhere, given that Entites used to eat each other continuously. Actually it's probable that there is something about this in QA memories, after all there are a LOT of Entites out there and The Warrior has lived for a lot of time.

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Are you trying to inspire the thread to waifu PTV? Cuz it's working on me.

I'm :oops::oops:, happy to see it's working:p.

And it's even a real possibility! Think about that, the Shard influences the Host as the Host influences the Shard... Now, has you ever see Contessa in a position of leadership, of being the leader? I think the answer is no;)
 
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Moreover, if I remember correctly, PtV is an Abaddon's Shard (cause It's alive), not an Eden's Shard. And Abbadon's Shards are completly different from Zion and Eden's Shards. It's as if they were in a completly different hardware/OS/Programming language.
Nope, PtV is an Eden shard. It is the precog shard she discarded like garbage because the one she got from Abbadon was way better than it.

Interlude 29 said:
In the doing, it alters one of the third entity's powers, replacing its own ability to find the optimal future.

In that very instant, it recognizes that it has made a grave error. The simulated world and the glimpse of the optimal future are already gone from its grasp. Too late.

The perspective changes, breaking away, distant, confused, detached. The impact was too hard.
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She raised her arm, knife held with the point down.

And the gray fog descended on her mind, blinding her. A barrier, a blind spot, a future she could no longer see. Had it set the limitation more firmly in place?

The godling smiled. It knew, because the power she was using was the same power it had used to glimpse the future, to find that particular future where it had the world divided, drowned in conflict.

As far as the godling was concerned, she was blind, as helpless as anyone else.
Interlude 29
 
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I thought beign discovered as aberrant by a Shard was bad independently of the Shard that discovered it, not that it was bad only if the one discovering it is a Zion's Shards.
 
I thought beign discovered as aberrant by a Shard was bad independently of the Shard that discovered it, not that it was bad only if the one discovering it is a Zion's Shards.
What we're mainly worried about is a Shard figuring out that we're strange/aberrant and then telling Scion about us. The Stranger Danger research tree should give us a way to hide from Scion eventually, but there are a lot of research projects we need to do so I don't know when we'll get to that one.
 
Yeah, I know, that was what I was worried about. That PtV could figure out we're aberrant and cause trouble for us (aka informing Zion).

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Answer? Pretty much total. So here goes: "I have discovered that my main/intended Host has had extensive brain modification. This was not done by me. Primarily since I've only been here since around 10:00 am Sunday, October 31st, 2010. Here is the scan data I've obtained. It hurt more to obtain than two bullets to the brain."

[[Transfer/Host0/Scan0] [Completion]

You get a side-channel blink and slow nod-equivalent. "That's… interesting. I've never seen this type of brain configuration before. I'd suggest asking Gaea for details. Or Shaper. That's weird, though, the dates don't match up. At all. Hmm."

I think we should have asked Charge about when was the OCP sent to her. A pity the vote is closed.
 
If that is true we've already lost this quest. If PTV has unrestricted usage of PTV there is no way for us to win this quest. It's already calculated everything everyone, shard or human, will do and will do whatever it wants.
That's not how PTV works, though? It brute forces a path to what you want from A to B, not the best path. This is why Cauldron's plans are so terrible. They have a way to get a plan that will work, and abuse it instead of trying to think up a better plan themselves and using her to troubleshoot bits and pieces that would be difficult. They're over-relying on a retarded space whale who invaded our planet in the first place because they needed our creativity to get around their own stupidity.

This is why I hate Cauldron and can't stand their stupidity. They lean into the Shard's own stupidity too much and don't even recognize why this is a problem because the Paths work. They do a lot of their evil with good intentions not because it's the only way, but because it's more convenient than thinking for themselves, when the very fact of how the Agents work shows thinking for yourselves is superior and the best weapon Humanity has against the Entities.

And if all of this was an Abaddon plot, the fact that something not in its plans happened would raise a few alarms.
Abaddon never expected to fall in love.
No, this is not Trolling.
Another thought btw. It's even safe for us to eat PtV, or in general, any Abaddon Shard? Given the massive difference beetwen them and us (different hardware/OS/programming language), it's possible that eating it the same way we've eaten protestic for example would backfire us for compatibility reasons.
We're still the same species. Abaddon could trade Shards with Eden and they worked fine.Remember, entities are real dumb. So dumb that they don't know what to do besides breed, and once they gained a little intelligence, instead of gaining a hobby, they just tried to figure out how to get around the one limitation their last instinct had. They have not changed their own biology enough to influence us in any way. We, as a creative Shard, are the most advanced and different Shard to have ever existed.

Are you trying to inspire the thread to waifu PTV? Cuz it's working on me.
PTV is bold is Shard list because best ShardWaifu. Obviously QM's plan form the beginning.
Yes, this is Trolling.
What we're mainly worried about is a Shard figuring out that we're strange/aberrant and then telling Scion about us.
I really think we're being overly worried about Scion and Aberration amount when A) We don't have any yet, 2) We don't know what levels Aberration will get actions at.

If you're that worried about it we can research memories (Or just ask Charge's Data) and get some answers.

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I think we should have asked Charge about when was the OCP sent to her.

Technically, we're looking through the data Charge sent, not asking Charge. And thus, we can do this next turn. We don't really have a limit for this as long as we have questions for it.
 
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It brute forces a path to what you want from A to B, not the best path.

It is in fact an optimal path, defining optimal as the one with the least number of steps.

Abaddon never expected to fall in love.

All worm is about Yandere!Abaddon killing its rival, Eden to gain the love of Senpai!Zion, but what he doesn't know it's that Yandere!4thEntity will twist Yandere!Abaddon's plan to also kill Senpai!Zion and make Yandere!Abaddon rely on Yandere!4thEntity from now and forever.
 
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It is in fact an optimal path, defining optimal as the one with the least number of steps.
Which is one of the worst definitions of optimal, and, using a Brute Force method, usually probably the first method you find.

All worm is about Yandere!Abaddon killing its rival, Eden to gain the love of Senpai!Zion, but what he doesn't know it's that Yandere!4thEntity will twist Yandere!Abaddon's plan to also kill Senpai!Zion and make Yandere!Abaddon rely on Yandere!4thEntity from now and forever.
No. Worm is about Armsmaster.
- PTV is replaced with a more optimal version.
- Colin doesn't understand people, but understands the AI.
- Colin seems annoyed by sleep and eating, things all humans have had to do since birth and most find pleasure in, to a degree odd for Shard bleed-through.
- Colin is confused by his own emotions for a long time, but eventually gets his 2D waifu made real.
- The nano-thorn halberd was prepped right before Laviathan. Deus Ex, or knowledge of what would happen?
- Colin speaks down to Leviathan about how predictable it is.

Let's face it, Armsmaster is Abaddon hiding among humans to ensure the normie couple he hated got killed, who eventually finds a 2D waifu to love and live happily ever after with.

Worm is, in fact, a look at the disturbing nature of getting your dream girl who's not real told from the outside to illustrate how overly terrible it is. It's basically a scathing send-down of every anime about the otaku getting the girl from outside reality.
 
All worm is about Yandere!Abaddon killing its rival, Eden to gain the love of Senpai!Zion, but what he doesn't know it's that Yandere!4thEntity will twist Yandere!Abaddon's plan to also kill Senpai!Zion and make Yandere!Abaddon rely on Yandere!4thEntity from now and forever.
Please stop posting my story notes. Thanks, the QM.

EDIT: Correction - Zion was never Abbadon's Sempai.
 
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That's not how PTV works, though? It brute forces a path to what you want from A to B, not the best path.
Sure, that's the end result, but you forget that to figure that out you have to stimulate how everyone and everything would react to various things until their reactions are what you want.

PTV is bold is Shard list because best ShardWaifu. Obviously QM's plan form the beginning.
Ah, of course. It's so obvious.
 
To add onto that, Contessa can just add more variables to a path if she does not find the path satisfactory and contrary to common fanon she does in fact know of every step of a path whenever she decides to use her power.
 
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