[HALP] me! (WORM quest)

Hmm. On the one hand, I really want to go into Basic Psionics to Support Shadow on the Wall, with some Stranger Danger and set up the Kettle as a shadowy organization out to usurp Zion. Then we can go around, fixing broken shards, recollecting bits of Eden, and basically making ourselves into a third Entity. The Warrior, The Thinker, and The Administrator. Of these, The Administrator was the greatest.

On the other hand, have you seen what I call myself? It's Magic all the way down as far as this process is concerned.

On the gripping hand, if the entities never really research Magic, does that mean it'll give bonus data because it's completely different from everything else we've gotten in previous Cycles?
 
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Of the new options I lean more towards magic since I feel that it will lead to us rezzing people and making the Shaman power viable.

Number two is stranger danger, it is pretty much essenstial and I would recommend getting it before psionics on the of chance it is effective against the not-warp gods. Also I vote for not calling it the warp if it is anything like the warp, just on the off chance that it gets public.

Other than that I don't have any outstanding opinions on the new options other than they are cool.
 
In general, I am for unlocking the power our aberrant shard's mind- all the ways they can think and modify their thought, and in general become the scariest Thinker to ever be.
Stuff like research, memetics, archeology, psionics... not sure what to take short term, again.

If you mean the Shadows on the Wall path, then yeah I'm down for that. Raise up Gaea and Shift to our level, help them understand creativity, empathy, and morality. Psionics would be fun to pass along to Taylor if help her go a Khepriesque path.
 
An off-hand thing, but...
Psionics is just 100 research. That's cheap. But it also exposes us to Chaos Gods.
So... let's not go there until we get good shielding.

I mean, I imagine using a proxy during this research:
How's psyker research going?
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Hello?
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Anybody there?

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Oh.
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I have to admit; I'm intensely curious in which order you pick 'greater-universe' research options.

- the ordering you get them affects how you understand the subsequent ones. "Getting them all" isn't a monolithic thing, the sequencing... changes everything. Retroactively.

Edit: The flavor-text quotes for research options are meant to be informative. They're not picked at-random or (just) to sound neat.
 
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We're definitely going to want to make sure we have a solid base of research, preparation for triggering, and memetic defenses in place before delving into any of the cognitohazard research options.
 
An off-hand thing, but...
Psionics is just 100 research. That's cheap. But it also exposes us to Chaos Gods.
So... let's not go there until we get good shielding.
The good news is that, because of the specific way that you implemented extra research, you can 'scrub'/delete your infected self and keep going.

Research capabilities are synergistic! ... but you still only have so much time. So you still can't get everything no matter how awesome that would be. You're intended to have to prioritize a bit more than I think you're prepared for currently.
 
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The good news is that, because of the specific way that you implemented extra research, you can 'scrub'/delete your infected self and keep going.

Research capabilities are synergistic! ... but you still only have so much time. So you still can't get everything no matter how awesome that would be.

So after we get Stable Trigger, memetic defenses should definitely be our priority. 40k research would give us a leg up but is even bleaker that Worm. It's literally the original grimdark setting.
 
The good news is that, because of the specific way that you implemented extra research, you can 'scrub'/delete your infected self and keep going.
I honestly wonder what other ways we could defend ourselves, and what paths it would take us:
-Stable Core: There is a part of you that's immutable. Too precious to lose, too fragile to change. Your outside layers may change however they want- your humanity will not perish.
Similar to proxy, but more focused and fundamentally static. Allows for bigger changes in personality, but will always remain human. Capable of gaining odd skills or mutations, but you are getting a human body dammit.
-Dynamic Reconfiguration: The self is a world. It's organs create a creature. It's memes create a culture. It's thoughts create constellations. And just like the starry sky, all the shapes are imagined. And your imagination is pretty wild.
The go with the flow option. Massively mutable, and focused on getting beneficial traits rather than preserving anything. Probably going to become a real Entity, one with connections to the Warp, because why not.
-Active Surveillance: The world is full of hidden dangers. Creeping around the corner, hiding between the lines. They are arleady here, you are sure of it. You just need to get them before they get you.
The most manly (and paranoid) option. If your mind is a country, then this option is FBI. Good news: you have the immune system of Superman. Bad news: you are always subject zero. Unless something overwhelms your defenses, you are not getting any unwanted changes. Pretty introspective.
 
Wait, wait, are those options expressly "Make this a crossover quest"? @Vhalidictes
Yes... and no.

1) The multiverse-at-large is already crossed-over. After all, the Thinker and the Warrior got that magic data from somewhere they've been, right? You're just picking (retroactively) which crossovers you're interested in.

2) Assuming you "win" this quest (defeat Scion in some fashion), I have other places for this particular [Administrator] to go. So to speak. And your current ideas will inform that if it ever happens.
 
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DC, Marvel, Mass Effect, Fate, Naruto, Harry Potter. The fan fiction favorites.
If we make my Mass Effect tinker or shipgirl, we could retroactively make them canon.
 
Warning: Emotional Hazard! Warning: May increase understanding of "Worm" setting! "I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, Sir, because I'm not myself you see."
If you take the first letter of every word in this sentence, it spells F-U-N in the cosmic horror sense.

Question: would we have the option to delete parts of our own memory? Something like splitting off a half of ourselves like what was attempted earlier on, 'saving' that instance (like backing up a save), then sandboxing it and letting it research something, and if the personality doesn't pass a set of pre-determined checks for sanity, open the (Pandora's) box and rejoin with it?
 
Question: would we have the option to delete parts of our own memory? Something like splitting off a half of ourselves like what was attempted earlier on, 'saving' that instance (like backing up a save), then sandboxing it and letting it research something, and if the personality doesn't pass a set of pre-determined checks for sanity, open the (Pandora's) box and rejoin with it?

You don't need to perform any research to do this. You can edit your previous memories at any time, that's part of the difference in 'hardware' between running on a Shard vs a Human brain. And you've already researched how to sandbox.

Also, you have no idea why you know you can do that, to the best of your recollection you've never edited your own memories.

Maybe that has something to do with all that encrypted storage taking up about 20% of your Shard's mass?
 
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@Gino, @Godwinson, @Captain Hunt, @Gragotan, do you all want to try to consolidate our Gaea votes? We've actually got more than the "mess with Panacea" votes, but there are 3 different variations. Maybe we could work out one vote that we all agree on?

[ ] Communicate with [Gaea]
-[ ] Indicate willingness to work with [Gaea] to assist information gathering. Reassure her that you will work to keep her safe and intact.
-[ ] Request detailed logs from [Gaea] from the times where she did not gain info when she thought she would and from the times she gained info unexpectedly.
-[ ] "You should hold off on Second-Triggering your host for now. Depending on what the problem is, it might not help your info collection efforts. I'm going to try and figure out the pattern behind when you collect info. Maybe you can increase the revenue from the unknown source."
-[ ] Request list of contact addresses, has she noticed [Charge] seems to have issues? Attempting to run Diagnostics on that Shard, could use any information she has, if she's run into other Shards like that.
-[ ] "I'm willing to sense share once my host triggers, we could work together. The cycle... is complicated right now. However, I've recently made a breakthrough in creativity, thinking like hosts. I intend to research data generation and collection once I have a steady supply of data. Any interest?"

I think that the bolded and underlined sections are the ones that people aren't agreeing on. I'm willing to go either way on the first one, but the last one seems like too fast, too soon for a Shard that we've only known for one day. We can always mention that to her later on. I'm also wondering how discreet Gaea is. Is she the type to share exciting news with every Shard she meets?


As for research options, my first priority is the Stronger Trigger tree. I'd like to also get Memetic Filtering and Administrative Archaeology, but I'm worried about how much Tinker data that will cost. Basic Magic Theory, Stranger Danger, and Shadows on the Wall all seem interesting, but I'm not sure how much info we'll have and where to specialize.
 
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Side note on Omakes: veekie, thanks for your help with QM stuff. Even if I facepalm IRL pretty much every time you mention something, it does make the Quest better.

I've decided that no Omake rewards work properly (timing), so instead from now on what I'm going to do is the following:

1) Give rewards as raw Research points that the author (and only them) can spend.
2) Apply those rewards during Story Chapters (turns) only.

That way it should affect voting the least. Everyone, let me know if that's (also) a bad plan.
That should be pretty safe yeah.
I'm just in nearly every quest, so I've sort of seen the common failure modes already :)
 
Well do tinkers create tinker data most? The tech tree is, unsurprisingly, very tinker heavy. While our host don't have to be traditional tinkers, we should be very liberal with tinker themes. That could help.

Also, we can go to DBZ universe and become a Super Saiyan God. That would solve our problems. It feels like cheating though.
 
Re: Information et al - One of the weird ironies of this quest is that you tend to collect the most Information of whatever kind your Host uses the most.

If you think you want more Tinker Information in the future, you should probably give Taylor a Tinker power. A good one. One that needs a lot of Tinker Information to craft...
 
Well do tinkers create tinker data most? The tech tree is, unsurprisingly, very tinker heavy. While our host don't have to be traditional tinkers, we should be very liberal with tinker themes. That could help.

It would be possible to invest into Thinker data and go Dragon route? Or create our own Tony Stark. Someone who doesn't create tinkertech, but either perfectly understand it or simply Thinker power increases their intelligence to the point where they create super science ala Tony Stark or Reed Richards.

This is why unless we get someone like Masamune, who can mass produce tinkertech I personally don't find Tinker route that efficient unless it would be something that may self-replicate on it's own even without host (like nanotechnology). Thinker focused on technology may be the case. Now when I think about it AU story about Accord who focuses on being engineer would be interesting in this case.

Creating host(s) which can actually improve society as their technology is far, FAR easier to replicate may be one of the main long term goals. And if there is something that may deal with Scion, it's Super Science. Now to only survive beings like Simurgh and Mannequin before escalating with technological might here...

Re: Information et al - One of the weird ironies of this quest is that you tend to collect the most Information of whatever kind your Host uses the most.

So as I mentioned going 'Dragon route' with heavy focus on increased, possibly escalating intelligence and lots of Thinker research may actually be an option, hmmm...

Also, we can go to DBZ universe and become a Super Saiyan God. That would solve our problems. It feels like cheating though.

It depends if 'game winning' strategy here is to rely on few god-tier units or create something that forces whole groups/societies to unite and fight one big bad, which is kind of what happened in canon. Command & Conquer, Supreme Commander, Stargate, Starbound, Total Annihilation and few other dimensions where focus is on LOTS of individually weak, but together absurdly strong societies which can deal with lots of top tier enemies.

Both may be viable, although second one may require set-up and build-up time to truly shine, which on Earth-Bet with soooo many enemies may be tricky at best.

Of the new options I lean more towards magic since I feel that it will lead to us rezzing people and making the Shaman power viable..

I agree with magic. Super Science can also work.

Thing with magic is that esoteric very exotic effects and dimensional shenanigans (which magic can easily provide) is simply best way to deal with enemies like Endbringers and Scion.
 
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Vhal man, it's early days but I'm gonna say you've provided a solid foundation for what could be one of the better quests. Once we break out of the fear of constant discovery and towards big picture goals. It's like Taylor's house is the tutorial and Brockton Bay is the Hinterlands. We can mess around for long a time and do a lot, but eventually it'll be up to us to move on.


My Elements, you're right, and we should coordinate better from now on, but Vhal will be writing already, it's too late I think.
 
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My Elements, you're right, and we should coordinate better from now on, but Vhal will be writing already, it's too late I think.
We should have time, but I don't know if it's enough for everyone to switch their votes. We need 3 more votes on one of the 2-vote variations to beat the 4-vote "mess with Panacea" plan.
EDIT: Since this is still the last post, I'm (ab)using it.
  • Update to call for those who haven't yet voted for 2 new research items and/or [Administrator] actions to do so.
  • Voting will close and the next quest story post (Prologue Part 6) will be generated starting at 6:00pm US-Pacific Wednesday, Jan 9th.

Also, since I'll probably be asleep when the next update hits, I want to make a suggestion about vote formatting. I think that the vote tally is getting confused by similar votes.

[ ] Contact [Charge]
[ ] Contact [Shift]

The vote tally is putting the second one as "Contact [Charge]" even though the posts are correct. So if we want to contact more than one Shard next round, we might want to word each one differently. The tally seems to be keeping track of "Communicate with [Gaea]" and "Send a command to [Shift]" pretty well.
 
Maybe we should start plan voting? Vhal said something about it earlier, if he thinks blocks are getting too confusing. That might lead to even more bandwagoning though, people jumping on the first plans, never mind that the plan is "let's torment the walking pandemic simulator into maybe killing our intended host and everyone we know from canon in a drunken stupor."

Don't get me wrong though, I still think that's hilarious and I'll roll with it good or bad. Very creative way to start off the new world order with a massive "oops, my bad."

Or maybe people are intentionally trying to derail canon as hard as they can, who knows.
 
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Voting hasn't closed quite yet!

As an aside, NPCs are actually valuable in this quest, because they are sources of ideas and people that you can bounce things off that aren't the QM.

I'm going to segue here and explain something to illustrate. I haven't run quests before, but I've been game mastering RPGs for 25 years.

One of the more esoteric techniques I've developed is running NPCs as their own personalities inside my head space - they don't know what I know, and they tend to think in ways I wouldn't.

Now, in live pen-and-paper sessions this doesn't scale well because I literally get stupider the more I shard my mind off. But in a quest like this on SV this isn't an issue.

One of the reasons to start talking with Taylor is that she can help you strategize.

But you need to understand that she's not me, and doesn't know anything more than she is supposed to. The downside is that she may in all honesty give you terrible advice because she doesn't have any special knowledge...

But overall if you're facing decision-paralysis I think getting a Host you're willing to talk directly to would help.
 
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