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Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

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chocolote12 said:
Um, what's the point of those? They appear to have no benefit at all, so are some really good charms gated behind them or something?
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Situationally, they're rather fitting/useful for a being like TED (i.e. being opposed to everyone/thing):

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Hollow Heart Transcendence (Cost: —; Mins: Essence
4; Type: Permanent; Duration: Permanent; Keywords:
None; Prerequisites: Witness to Darkness): The Ebon
Dragon cannot channel Virtues, but he gains a second
pool of Willpower points equal to his Essence rating
that he can choose to refi ll when regaining points as
normal. Points from this pool may be spent to power
Ebon Dragon Charms (but not activate Combos), to
resist unnatural mental infl uence or to ignore all negative
effects of a failed Virtue roll required by an external
effect (one Willpower point per roll). If an Infernal
learns this Charm, his Virtues drop to 1 and can't be
raised again. Lost Virtue dots convert into experience.
Until a character has Essence 10, his primary Virtue
remains 3 for the sole purpose of Limit gain.

Ego Shell Ascendancy (Cost: —; Mins: Essence 3; Type:
Permanent; Duration: Permanent; Keywords: None;
Prerequisites: Nemesis Self Imagined Anew): The
Ebon Dragon has no inherent Motivation of his own,
though he may temporarily bestow one on himself using
other Charms. Yet, he automatically ignores all mental
infl uence as unacceptable orders if it seeks to build a
positive Intimacy in him toward anything outside himself
or attempts to make him like, respect or otherwise
be positively inclined toward another being. Infernals
who gain this Charm lose their Motivation.
 
Alexander89 said:
1) After careful considerations I switched Awareness with Lore as a Favored Ability, as it fits Lelouch's better.
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I see you've switched the dots as well. Makes sense. Would a specialty in Programming include hacking and computer viruses? I have some ideas to really ruin Britannia's day, or at least getting some extra income. Might also be worthwhile using our Caste ability to get God-Mind Algorithms.

Alexander89 said:
Exiled By Wicked Hate (I know you want to use it on V.V.)
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Would that even work? Does he count as "a target who is not immune to permanent destruction" given his already existing immortality?
 
landcollector said:
For HHT- Can't channel Virtues and all Virtues permanently lowered to 1. The upside of a few extra WP points is a crappy consolation prize in comparison, imo.

ESA- Fucks up an Infernal's Motivation (i.e he can't really have one) and makes it impossible to have positive intimacies towards others.
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Especially when the main use of willpower, outside of charm costs and ablating social attacks, is to channel virtues for bonuses.

Really, if they were to do those charms, I'd think it might work out better like Cosmic Transcendence of (Virtue), twist the definition of the virtue to your benefit.
 
Now that i think about it, is weird that Adorjan doesn't have a spirit-killer. After all, he has all the buddist themes and the idea of death as release, so a charm that prevents reencarnation/reformation is perfectly in theme.
 
While EbWH is a potent charm, I can't agree with using it. Eternal torment is beyond me. Besides, we've already got Oramus' spirit-killer and it gives us shiny crafting materials! Look at the shinies!

Damning Petulance Technique and Mere Wounds Mocked are nice for fighting mortals, but they're also pretty easy to circumvent, so I'm not sure I want to sink 16 XP into those.

Noon as Night Evocation, however, is something I really want. Instant shroud of darkness is an amazing tactical advantage, for fighting or fleeing.

Gotta grab Life-Blighting Emptiness Attack: It would currently throw 7 extra dice of damage, more if we buy up our Willpower.

Broken25 said:
Now that i think about it, is weird that Adorjan doesn't have a spirit-killer. After all, he has all the buddist themes and the idea of death as release, so a charm that prevents reencarnation/reformation is perfectly in theme.
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I'm sure it's one of those charms that exists, but hasn't been written yet (dev's way of saying; homebrew this for us, please).
 
You guy keep talking about cheesing your way into Solar charms, but last I checked you need the actual teachers to get those charms, and the ones from shards are probably out of the picture through Past Lives, which Lulu lacks by the way, since they require modern technology paradigms to use and the Solar Exaltations didn't had time to come up with those charms.
 
ryuan said:
You guy keep talking about cheesing your way into Solar charms, but last I checked you need the actual teachers to get those charms, and the ones from shards are probably out of the picture through Past Lives, which Lulu lacks by the way, since they require modern technology paradigms to use and the Solar Exaltations didn't had time to come up with those charms.
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Bloating threads with "what we want" wishlists is commonplace in Exalted threads. It's something to pass the time while waiting for the next update, since we've got a consensus for action.

Personally, I don't think dipping into Solar charms is worth the effort.
 
Peanuckle said:
While EbWH is a potent charm, I can't agree with using it. Eternal torment is beyond me. Besides, we've already got Oramus' spirit-killer and it gives us shiny crafting materials! Look at the shinies!
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The notion of turning V.V. into a trinket of some kind amuses me.

Still, the Charm in question again doesn't work on anything with "Deathlord level immortality" - does anyone know exactly where that is defined?
 
Enjou said:
The notion of turning V.V. into a trinket of some kind amuses me.

Still, the Charm in question again doesn't work on anything with "Deathlord level immortality" - does anyone know exactly where that is defined?
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I don't think it ever is, really. It's one of those oft-used phrases that nobody understands.

There's a general tier-list though. Mortals die easily, spirits need some kind of spirit-killer, behemoths generally have a unique trigger, Primordials have to be GET-ed, Deathlords... I'm not sure. I think they have unique conditions like behemoths.
 
Peanuckle said:
While EbWH is a potent charm, I can't agree with using it. Eternal torment is beyond me. Besides, we've already got Oramus' spirit-killer and it gives us shiny crafting materials! Look at the shinies!
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What, you don't want Lelouch to have pleasant dreams about the fate of the one who killed his mother?

Enjou said:
The notion of turning V.V. into a trinket of some kind amuses me.

Still, the Charm in question again doesn't work on anything with "Deathlord level immortality" - does anyone know exactly where that is defined?
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Whatever level that is, I can't imagine VV has it.
Those bastards could come back from Solars wanting to kill them, at least several times.
That's better than what the Primordials had.
 
Krain said:
What, you don't want Lelouch to have pleasant dreams about the fate of the one who killed his mother?
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I'm not a fan of disproportionate punishment, so no. It's eternity, dude. Ten years down the line, he'd still be in there. A hundred years, well after Lelouch has moved on to grander things than petty revenge, he'd still be there. A thousand years, a million years, after Creation has been left to crumble and the new titans go to find lost Zen Mu, he'd still be there.
 
Peanuckle said:
Primordials have to be GET-ed
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Sorry, I'm drawing a blank on the acronym. What does it stand for again?


Krain said:
Whatever level that is, I can't imagine VV has it.
Those bastards could come back from Solars wanting to kill them, at least several times.
That's better than what the Primordials had.
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Broken25 said:
Canon DeathLords are bullshit, yeah.

That said, i don't think Codes have that level of inmortality. Spirit killers should work just fine.
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Here's the description of C.C.'s level of immortality from the wiki:

C.C. is an immortal "witch", neither suffering from age, illness nor capable of being killed by conventional means. She possesses absolute immortality, unable to die, age, get sick, or be permanently wounded, is absolutely self-sustained, and her mind and soul are as immortal as her biological body, she's immune to mental/spiritual damage. Any injuries she suffers immediately heal, even if she is incinerated, blown up, decapitated, completely deleted, or even if she is completely destroyed to the sub-atomic level, she will still return to life. Absolutely immune to all harm, nor can she die of any natural causes.

Her existence and soul are completely independent of even the concept of reality, making her not bound to the subjects of life, death and manipulations. As shown with her immunity to the geass. She has been shot fatally a number of times, been crushed by water pressure, burned at the stake, subjected to the guillotine, placed in an iron maiden, and stabbed by spears all of which she recovered from. This means that when she recovers, her body is in peak condition, she is at the pinnacle of her body, she is as healthy as possible, free of injuries, diseases, disorders, illness, and flaws.
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Also remember that in this universe her immortality is enforced by the the Lethe, which is the soul recycling system of Creation that somehow achieved self-awareness and had the power to transform all of Creation from a flat plane to what it is now. I would not presume that this is something that is easily fucked with.

Also, if spirit-killing Charms could kill C.C., she and her predecessor probably would have just found Lunar with Spirit-Maiming Essence Attack and asked them to put them out of their misery. Or hell, a Dragonblooded with Spirit-Shredding Attack.
 
landcollector said:
If it is decided to pursue that course of action (and Alexander89 doesn't veto it), Firewall Defying Method may be worth considering too.
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I think all of the Solar computer charms would be worth it, unless SWLIHN has better versions.
Would let Lulu have access to 'all' the computers, and considering this is a world where just about everything is dependent upon computers, Lelouch would be 'very' scary just by himself.
 
landcollector said:
Ghost Eating Technique.
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Reading that it functionally doesn't seem too much different from any other spirit-killing Charm, so given that C.C. knows about Exalts, demons, etc. and she hasn't found someone to use such a Charm on her (at least that has worked) that her immortality is of a pretty high tier. Or perhaps her soul itself is already in the Lethe, and her body is actually an Essence projection simulating a real body rather than actually being real, so any such Charm targeting that just doesn't work because her soul isn't actually there. Or something. Only the GM can say, really.
 
Enjou said:
Reading that it functionally doesn't seem too much different from any other spirit-killing Charm, so given that C.C. knows about Exalts, demons, etc. and she hasn't found someone to use such a Charm on her (at least that has worked) that her immortality is of a pretty high tier. Or perhaps her soul itself is already in the Lethe, and her body is actually an Essence projection simulating a real body rather than actually being real, so any such Charm targeting that just doesn't work because her soul isn't actually there. Or something. Only the GM can say, really.
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The guys who can have the Ghost-Eating Techinque only recently started spawning again.
 
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