Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

Didn't we already voted in a plan for that?

There are things I want done, but I wasn't planning on starting them until we head to Malfeas since Lelouch's schedule is rather packed as is. I've got learning Old Realm in the plan just because we really need it and it shouldn't take more than a couple hours of training, but my understanding is that the Charms take some dedicated training.

We didn't, but if it's not really going to be a burden on Lelouch's time I'm more than willing to vote to do all those.
Let's see...all of those can be accomplished during the travel through Cecelyne. No citizens so you haven't to make conversation (unless Milly pouts), there are agatae but also bigger demons, palanquins...yup, as long as it is within 5 days it can be done without problems.
 
I imagine we'll be camping out and resting at some points, so training would take place during those times.
That's a question; is five days to cross the desert five days of constant movement, or five days of travel including stops? And if it's the latter, how much time do you need to spend travelling for it to count as a day of travel?
 
Let's see...all of those can be accomplished during the travel through Cecelyne. No citizens so you haven't to make conversation (unless Milly pouts), there are agatae but also bigger demons, palanquins...yup, as long as it is within 5 days it can be done without problems.

Alright, I think it best to wait until we actually get to the end of the next update to do the vote for the expenditure then so as to avoid another instance where we've got split voting due to people voting on separate things at the same time, unless you intend the trip to be part of the next update?
 
Cecelyne is weird. It's simply five days.
I know it's not a total distance travelled thing (Cecelyne being infinite and all), but it just seems to me that there's probably some minimum effort or distance or time you need put in for each day of travel. Otherwise you could just take a step a day and still reach Malfeas in 5 days, which is kinda silly even for Exalted.
 
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I know it's not a total distance travelled thing (Cecelyne being infinite and all), but it just seems to me that there's probably some minimum effort or distance or time you need put in for each day of travel. Otherwise you could just take a step a day and still reach Malfeas in 5 days, which is kinda silly even for Exalted.
Those who do not keep moving in Cecelyne experience sandstorms.

Made out of burning glass.

It's not her fault you didn't move out of the way in time.

It wouldn't have even happened if you just kept moving forward.*

So really, it's your own fault.



*Note: it may have happened if you kept moving forwards anyway.
 
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That's a question; is five days to cross the desert five days of constant movement, or five days of travel including stops? And if it's the latter, how much time do you need to spend travelling for it to count as a day of travel?
Cecelyne is weird. It's simply five days.
Yep. You can rest allright, and it is still five days.

Alright, I think it best to wait until we actually get to the end of the next update to do the vote for the expenditure then so as to avoid another instance where we've got split voting due to people voting on separate things at the same time, unless you intend the trip to be part of the next update?
Good question. Uhm...okay, here's the plan: the next update will details Lelouch dealing with C.C., Black Knights, his new fanclub, ecc. Then meeting the cultists: they are similar to those found here, albeit also with a serious side and more than one people dabbling in Thaumaturgy. No sorcery yet, but they're getting there.

I will probably ask if you want to give them a speech or something.

After that is entering Cecelyne and starting the travel. I'll end it there, asking what you want to do during the travel.

BTW, do you think Lelouch's Favoured Abilities are okay? I have this nagging doubt...
 
Good question. Uhm...okay, here's the plan: the next update will details Lelouch dealing with C.C., Black Knights, his new fanclub, ecc. Then meeting the cultists: they are similar to those found here, albeit also with a serious side and more than one people dabbling in Thaumaturgy. No sorcery yet, but they're getting there.

I will probably ask if you want to give them a speech or something.

After that is entering Cecelyne and starting the travel. I'll end it there, asking what you want to do during the travel.

I think that sounds like a good plan.

Also, Lelouch's new fanclub... IT BEGINS! I'm going to laugh when it becomes a cult background.

BTW, do you think Lelouch's Favoured Abilities are okay? I have this nagging doubt...

I think they work. None of them are physical, which fits Lelouch.

War works for obvious reasons.

Performance works. Lelouch is good at speeches, and he also knows how to play the piano. (noted in one of the picture dramas) Also, he puts on a 'mask' with pretty much everyone, so acting skills might be part of it.

Presence makes sense because he's a natural leader.

Are the other two where your doubts are? It's certain that Lelouch would have developed skills in those area, but I can see there being some doubt about him having a natural talent with them. Awareness he'd have developed due to paranoia, but I could see him not have a latent talent for it, though then again survival in the Royal Family requires awareness of one's surroundings as many family members can be enemies so it might be bred into him. Larceny he'd have developed some understanding of due to planning on running a rebellion, which would need to be a criminal organization, though again I could see this not being a natural talent he has but something he'd have learned about out of necessity over the last seven years.

If you were to swap one of those out I'd go with Lore. Lelouch canonically displays some skills with hacking (not bullshit tier, but he can do it) and planning on how to best use technology to his advantage. He figures out how to use the Guren's primary weapon to cause a massive landslide by causing a steam explosion, instantly figures out that the Gawain has a flight system without reading a manual, uses the Shinkirou's Absolute Defense System and prism based weapon system to excellent effect, and is able to do the calculations for the FLEIJA Eliminator on the fly. So that might make sense as an alternative.
 
Alright. Earthscorpion's version of WtD is now official for this quest (see Charms Shop). "Glaring Sun's Subtlety" is not allowed, but other homebrew Malfeas's Charms are...provided they are not too ridiculous.
Why ? not only did the thematic make sense, in that manipulation combines all underhanded methods of geting people to do what you want(who says you need to lie to manipulate people ?) while charisma is doing the same tought pure strenght of personality (which doesn't fit the ebon dragon), but this this totaly screw my plans of using those charms as the base for a Malfeas-Oramus-Ebon Dragon heretic social charmset
Beyond that, it's just me or would this weaksauce rewrite actualy make it harder to convice people to join any cause for reason we actualy believe in ? seriously is a bit to early in the charmtree to start geting this level of cronic backstabing as a demerit
 
Question: what sort of sand is Cecelyne made out of? And would it/she be angry if we started harvesting said sand and sell it for profit? Because if, say, she's a conceptually pure silica sand, then this could be VERY profitable. And possibly allow for some demonic magic later on, like shutting down all electronics that uses processors made from Cecelyne sand.
 
Question: what sort of sand is Cecelyne made out of? And would it/she be angry if we started harvesting said sand and sell it for profit? Because if, say, she's a conceptually pure silica sand, then this could be VERY profitable. And possibly allow for some demonic magic later on, like shutting down all electronics that uses processors made from Cecelyne sand.
Silver.
 
Question: what sort of sand is Cecelyne made out of? And would it/she be angry if we started harvesting said sand and sell it for profit? Because if, say, she's a conceptually pure silica sand, then this could be VERY profitable. And possibly allow for some demonic magic later on, like shutting down all electronics that uses processors made from Cecelyne sand.
Maybe if we let Milly do that bargaining. The sand itself should be fine but who knows what she finds offensive?

Also She Who Lives In Her Name already has magic that can Assume Direct Control of some technology.
Cecelyne Sand might make them more possessable though.
 
I think they work. None of them are physical, which fits Lelouch.

War works for obvious reasons.

Performance works. Lelouch is good at speeches, and he also knows how to play the piano. (noted in one of the picture dramas) Also, he puts on a 'mask' with pretty much everyone, so acting skills might be part of it.

Presence makes sense because he's a natural leader.

Are the other two where your doubts are? It's certain that Lelouch would have developed skills in those area, but I can see there being some doubt about him having a natural talent with them. Awareness he'd have developed due to paranoia, but I could see him not have a latent talent for it, though then again survival in the Royal Family requires awareness of one's surroundings as many family members can be enemies so it might be bred into him. Larceny he'd have developed some understanding of due to planning on running a rebellion, which would need to be a criminal organization, though again I could see this not being a natural talent he has but something he'd have learned about out of necessity over the last seven years.

If you were to swap one of those out I'd go with Lore. Lelouch canonically displays some skills with hacking (not bullshit tier, but he can do it) and planning on how to best use technology to his advantage. He figures out how to use the Guren's primary weapon to cause a massive landslide by causing a steam explosion, instantly figures out that the Gawain has a flight system without reading a manual, uses the Shinkirou's Absolute Defense System and prism based weapon system to excellent effect, and is able to do the calculations for the FLEIJA Eliminator on the fly. So that might make sense as an alternative.
Good analysis. But no, my doubts has been cleared. The Favoured Abilities are good as they are.

Why ? not only did the thematic make sense, in that manipulation combines all underhanded methods of geting people to do what you want(who says you need to lie to manipulate people ?) while charisma is doing the same tought pure strenght of personality (which doesn't fit the ebon dragon), but this this totaly screw my plans of using those charms as the base for a Malfeas-Oramus-Ebon Dragon heretic social charmset
Beyond that, it's just me or would this weaksauce rewrite actualy make it harder to convice people to join any cause for reason we actualy believe in ? seriously is a bit to early in the charmtree to start geting this level of cronic backstabing as a demerit
Because I trust EarthScorpion. Also it doesn't: you can actually believe in the cause you preach, but convincing people to join can still be worded as Manipulation.

Question: what sort of sand is Cecelyne made out of? And would it/she be angry if we started harvesting said sand and sell it for profit? Because if, say, she's a conceptually pure silica sand, then this could be VERY profitable. And possibly allow for some demonic magic later on, like shutting down all electronics that uses processors made from Cecelyne sand.
Primordial sand. No seriously: they're a magical material, they probably have their properties that doesn't quite fit modern chemistry.

You can harvest it, but you need to follow proper procedures: formal request to the priests, bribing, making sure no one else has other similar claims or shutting them up...that kind of things.
 
Silver as in metal? Silver in color? This is a pure silica (SiO2) sand. This is a pure silicon sand. These are pure silver flakes. Pure quartz sand seems to be closer. So, let's assume she's made out of pure silica. How pure? Let's assume conceptually pure. Now, what are the prices here? 99.99% purity goes for around a hundred dollars per turn, hardly worth the trouble. 99.999% pure is more expensive but still requires bulk sales. From 99.9999, highest I was able to find it starts getting interesting, with prices in thousands of dollars per ton. However, again, if she's conceptually pure silica sand, then refining it into pure silicon becomes relatively simple. And that might be profitable. Though, really, it depends on how much we can ship.

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Primordial sand. No seriously: they're a magical material, they probably have their properties that doesn't quite fit modern chemistry.

You can harvest it, but you need to follow proper procedures: formal request to the priests, bribing, making sure no one else has other similar claims or shutting them up...that kind of things.
Ah, ok. Might be not worth it, then. On the other hand, a CPU designed and built using Cecelyne sand as the basis might have some special properties. As could, say, glasses made using the glass made out of her sand.
 
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Why ? not only did the thematic make sense, in that manipulation combines all underhanded methods of geting people to do what you want(who says you need to lie to manipulate people ?) while charisma is doing the same tought pure strenght of personality (which doesn't fit the ebon dragon), but this this totaly screw my plans of using those charms as the base for a Malfeas-Oramus-Ebon Dragon heretic social charmset
Beyond that, it's just me or would this weaksauce rewrite actualy make it harder to convice people to join any cause for reason we actualy believe in ? seriously is a bit to early in the charmtree to start geting this level of cronic backstabing as a demerit

Charisma and Manipulation aren't as simple as you're making them out to be.

Charisma is about how likeable you are, it's about your social graces. Text from the core rulebook: "Charisma measures how innately likeable someone is. It reflects an air of confidence and social grace when dealing with people. People like those who have high Charisma, even if they do not always know why."

Manipulation is about getting people to do what you want when they otherwise wouldn't do so. Text from the core rulebook: "Manipulation measures your character's innate capacity to purposefully coerce, manipulate, trick and bully others. Manipulation covers everything from leading others to tricking them, from being sly to domineering."

You can be honest or dishonest with either.

An example of dishonest use of Charisma would be getting someone to like you through dishonest compliments. "Oh, that's a lovely dress you're wearing." *it's hideous, but you believe me* "Ah, it's a pleasure to see you again!" *no, it isn't, I actually hate your guts* Things like that. You're not specifically trying to get them to do something, just trying to get into or stay in their good graces.

An example of honest Manipulation would be using threats of violence. "If you don't obey my commands, I'm going to break your legs." If you mean it, then that's a true statement, but it falls under Manipulation. Nobody is going to like you for intimidating them, even though it's perfectly honest and straightforward. It's also more along the lines of Malfeas's splat than the Ebon Dragon's.
 
Bringing bodyparts of the Yozis into Creation will probably tip off the wrong sorts of people anyways.

For Cecelyne, I thought it was 5 days of movement, so camping didn't count. I recommend getting a sand-skiff or something of the sort. We can spend the time lounging in the cabin and making plans.

BTW, do you think Lelouch's Favoured Abilities are okay? I have this nagging doubt...
(War, Performance, Presence, Awareness, Larceny)

Sounds good to me. War, Performance and Presence are definitely correct. Larceny lets you organize criminal or illegal groups, which the Black Knights are, so that's good too. Awareness... not so sure. He gets snuck up on/surprised a few times in CG by things he doesn't account for in his plans. Really, the Cecelyne excellency fits him to a "t."

If it were up to me, I'd suggest Investigation instead of Awareness. Lelouch does a lot of searching in his quest to discover Marianne's killer.
 
(War, Performance, Presence, Awareness, Larceny)

Sounds good to me. War, Performance and Presence are definitely correct. Larceny lets you organize criminal or illegal groups, which the Black Knights are, so that's good too. Awareness... not so sure. He gets snuck up on/surprised a few times in CG by things he doesn't account for in his plans. Really, the Cecelyne excellency fits him to a "t."

If it were up to me, I'd suggest Investigation instead of Awareness. Lelouch does a lot of searching in his quest to discover Marianne's killer.
Oooh, and now I remember why I had doubts. So, you say Investigation and Enjou says Lore. Blast. Uhm...what to do?
 
Bringing bodyparts of the Yozis into Creation will probably tip off the wrong sorts of people anyways.

Not necessarily. People aware of magic trade with demons all the time. It really depends on whether or not they notice the quantity we bring through, or know that the resulting products are from Hell.

For Cecelyne, I thought it was 5 days of movement, so camping didn't count. I recommend getting a sand-skiff or something of the sort. We can spend the time lounging in the cabin and making plans.

Camping counts, as many people making the trip have to sleep, but as someone pointed out there are hazards when it comes to making stops.

If it were up to me, I'd suggest Investigation instead of Awareness. Lelouch does a lot of searching in his quest to discover Marianne's killer.
Oooh, and now I remember why I had doubts. So, you say Investigation and Enjou says Lore. Blast. Uhm...what to do?

Personally I don't think Lelouch had all that much time to really investigate his mother's murder. He was sent to Japan not long after it happened, and lost the resources he'd need to do any serious investigation on the matter. Most of his investigations in canon came down to "use Geass on people who might know" rather than any kind of detective work. He also didn't investigate the Lancelot at all, and any serious effort into doing so would have quickly led him to finding out Suzaku was the pilot.
 
Bringing bodyparts of the Yozis into Creation will probably tip off the wrong sorts of people anyways.
There's probably going to be a lot of brass and vitriol around to clue people off.
For Cecelyne, I thought it was 5 days of movement, so camping didn't count. I recommend getting a sand-skiff or something of the sort. We can spend the time lounging in the cabin and making plans.

Naw 5 days minimum. Cecelyn can make it longer if she thinks you're disrespecting her, or encourage you to move by dropping a few natural disasters on you.
Oooh, and now I remember why I had doubts. So, you say Investigation and Enjou says Lore. Blast. Uhm...what to do?
Investigation: Finding information, piecing clues together, asking the right questions, noticing salient details.

Lore: Feats of raw logic and facts of the world. Understanding the meaning of complex concepts.

Related but not the same.
 
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