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Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

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Peanuckle said:
I'm not a fan of disproportionate punishment, so no. It's eternity, dude. Ten years down the line, he'd still be in there. A hundred years, well after Lelouch has moved on to grander things than petty revenge, he'd still be there. A thousand years, a million years, after Creation has been left to crumble and the new titans go to find lost Zen Mu, he'd still be there.
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Just a note on this - while this is a perfectly reasonable value to hold, it should be remembered that Lelouch does not necessarily hold to that. Even if V.V. didn't actually successfully kill Marianne, he did cripple Nunnally, which is probably something that would make Lelouch go 'eternity is not long enough'. Canonically Lelouch was willing to trap his father in the World of C for all eternity after he had attained V.V.'s Code of Immortality, so Lelouch probably wouldn't balk at doing this kind of thing against the right person.


Winged One said:
The guys who can have the Ghost-Eating Techinque only recently started spawning again.
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As I said "Reading that it functionally doesn't seem too much different from any other spirit-killing Charm" - other spirit-killing Charms exist aplenty, and I don't see anything in the Charm description that indicates it's any more powerful than any other spirit-killer. It's only an Essence 3 Charm. There's absolutely nothing about it that says it can kill beings that other spirit-killers can't. Really the only reason I can see that a Dragonblooded with Spirit-Shredding Attack couldn't kill a Primordial is because they wouldn't be able to survive long enough to do so.
 
Peanuckle said:
I'm not a fan of disproportionate punishment, so no. It's eternity, dude. Ten years down the line, he'd still be in there. A hundred years, well after Lelouch has moved on to grander things than petty revenge, he'd still be there. A thousand years, a million years, after Creation has been left to crumble and the new titans go to find lost Zen Mu, he'd still be there.
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Sounds legit. When we can drop the bastard there?
 
Enjou said:
Reading that it functionally doesn't seem too much different from any other spirit-killing Charm, so given that C.C. knows about Exalts, demons, etc. and she hasn't found someone to use such a Charm on her (at least that has worked) that her immortality is of a pretty high tier. Or perhaps her soul itself is already in the Lethe, and her body is actually an Essence projection simulating a real body rather than actually being real, so any such Charm targeting that just doesn't work because her soul isn't actually there. Or something. Only the GM can say, really.
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If her soul is actually in Lethe/edge of Oblivion, then she's pretty likely to be doing the Deathlord thing.

Explaining the Deathlords for a moment:
-They were, once upon a time, basically normal ghosts, if pretty powerful ones because they used to be Elder Solars with epic grudge
-They linked to the Neverborns' power to carry out the Neverborns' grudge.
-The Neverborn cannot die because they're already dead, and simply can't fit through. The Deathlord immortality thus, derives from the Neverborn's own, they're linked to something that simply cannot die at all, being already dead and unable to make the final journey.

So if she's basically a projection from something linked to something that can't fit through Lethe, she has something Ghost Eating Technique can't finish off.

Breaking the link probably works.
 
veekie said:
If her soul is actually in Lethe/edge of Oblivion, then she's pretty likely to be doing the Deathlord thing.

Explaining the Deathlords for a moment:
-They were, once upon a time, basically normal ghosts, if pretty powerful ones because they used to be Elder Solars with epic grudge
-They linked to the Neverborns' power to carry out the Neverborns' grudge.
-The Neverborn cannot die because they're already dead, and simply can't fit through. The Deathlord immortality thus, derives from the Neverborn's own, they're linked to something that simply cannot die at all, being already dead and unable to make the final journey.

So if she's basically a projection from something linked to something that can't fit through Lethe, she has something Ghost Eating Technique can't finish off.

Breaking the link probably works.
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Which would either need a high Essence Occult charm, or probably Adamant Sorcery.
 
Hey, random thought that may have been brought up before now: Lunatic Pyre Shintai can induce positive mutations if we so desire. Including healing abilities, such as replacing lost limbs. Could we use it restore Nunnaly's sight?
 
They're Wyld mutations, so likely a shaping attack, but Shintai lets us control exactly what mutations people get-and stuff like 'Superior Healing' and 'Perfect Healing factor' are examples of mutations that I've found. I just wanted to check with those more knowledgeable about the system as to whether this would work.
 
Nunnaly can actually see just fine, it's her legs that are beyond repair. Meanwhile her eyes have been geass'd by her dad to be shut forever.

Seriously I hate Lulu and Nunnaly's dad. Suuuuuuch an asshole.
 
frozenchicken said:
They're Wyld mutations, so likely a shaping attack, but Shintai lets us control exactly what mutations people get-and stuff like 'Superior Healing' and 'Perfect Healing factor' are examples of mutations that I've found. I just wanted to check with those more knowledgeable about the system as to whether this would work.
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I mean that her blindness was mentioned to be not an injury, but a curse/shaping effect that locks her as blind.
 
Oh, huh. I hadn't gotten far enough into Code Geass to catch that. Man, I was expecting lack of Exalted knowledge to trip me up. Still, Sonar is a relevant mutation as well. Daredevil Nunnally?
(Or, as a 110% hypothetical alternative, actual Devil Nunnally could get her her sight back, as Essence 5+ Inner devils Unchained is technically a demon spawned from a person's memories and Essence, rather than technically being a transformation like the earlier levels).

On the other hand, viewing her blindness as a shaping effect might make things easier for us. What would be the easiest path for us to undo a shaping effect?

Edit: Also, if Nunnally's blindness is that she's been geassed to never open her eyes, then in a really technical sense, she's not actually blind. There might actually be some wiggle room there, if we can manage a supernatural effect that doesn't actually require actual viewing in order to impart images. Fun with Hallucinations, anyone?
 
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Look at it this way:

Us - We could probably get access to mutation inducing charms to 'upgrade' Nunnally to a transhuman that can overcome her disabilities, at the cost of well...mutating her. Deformities may ensue.

Defiler - Break everything afflicting her and smoosh her back into her base healthy human template.

Now, I don't personally mind giving her a transhuman upgrade, but I think Lulu would be a lot more hesitant.
 
Wouldn't Nunnally's loss of sight be some sort of derangement? She can open her eyes and see, she just thinks she can't.
 
frozenchicken said:
Hey, random thought that may have been brought up before now: Lunatic Pyre Shintai can induce positive mutations if we so desire. Including healing abilities, such as replacing lost limbs. Could we use it restore Nunnaly's sight?
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Yes, though keep in mind that it's Essence 5 so that's a long ways away.

veekie said:
Look at it this way:

Us - We could probably get access to mutation inducing charms to 'upgrade' Nunnally to a transhuman that can overcome her disabilities, at the cost of well...mutating her. Deformities may ensue.

Defiler - Break everything afflicting her and smoosh her back into her base healthy human template.

Now, I don't personally mind giving her a transhuman upgrade, but I think Lulu would be a lot more hesitant.
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Scoured Perfection of Form also works by granting or taking away mutations. A wish to heal one's crippled legs will be granted through a mutation that allows for normally crippling injuries to heal. It also means that Nunnally would owe someone a magically enforced favor.

On the other hand you should remember that our Defiler has access to Szoreny Charms. With Broken Mirror Mending she can give regular doses of Bitter Medicine over a few weeks and Nunnally's legs should be good as new without any mutations. Lelouch would owe Kaguya rather a lot for it, but it wouldn't be magically enforced unless he used his anima ability to make it into a contract.


Speaking of Kaguya, I'm thinking that if she knows Lelouch's identity that she's going to enroll in Ashford Academy. Hijinks will inevitably ensue.
 
So Enjou, what you're saying is that this has the potential to turn Ashford Academy into the Infernal Academy, with our entire coven being here. That sounds amazingly hilarious and something that Milly would come up with and endorse wholeheartedly.
 
Sour Knight said:
So Enjou, what you're saying is that this has the potential to turn Ashford Academy into the Infernal Academy, with our entire coven being here. That sounds amazingly hilarious and something that Milly would come up with and endorse wholeheartedly.
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I too can imagine her doing that-publically. Oh, those crazy kids and their theme nights.....

veekie said:
Us - We could probably get access to mutation inducing charms to 'upgrade' Nunnally to a transhuman that can overcome her disabilities, at the cost of well...mutating her. Deformities may ensue.
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The method I proposed gives us control over any mutations that occur. No risk of deformities so long as we aren't stupid.

Edit: I honestly don't see Lelouch objecting in the slightest to Nunnally gaining an utterly benign and effectively unspottable healing factor. Considering all the suffering she's gone through as a result of injuries that didn't heal, I think giving her a permanent healing factor is absurdly logical that I can't imagine what reason would be sufficient for him to turn it down.
 
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Sour Knight said:
So Enjou, what you're saying is that this has the potential to turn Ashford Academy into the Infernal Academy, with our entire coven being here. That sounds amazingly hilarious and something that Milly would come up with and endorse wholeheartedly.
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It's quite plausible we'll have other Coven members coming in with us, yeah. Infernal Exaltations bring the affected person back to the prime of their youth if they're older than that, and then they cease aging, so even if we had someone who was an adult in our ranks they'd now be able to at least pass for a teenager.

Some might not if their faces are known and they're on a wanted list, though.
 
Shaping Nunnaly's disabilities away is an idea, but we hardly need an E5 shintai charm to do it. Other Yozis have some kind of "change people" charm at around E3-4. Oramus has one where he throws back a Shaping effect, though that doesn't let us make the initial attack. Maybe a custom charm built off of Light the Lights to let us make changes to people in a Wyld zone?
 
Peanuckle said:
Shaping Nunnaly's disabilities away is an idea, but we hardly need an E5 shintai charm to do it. Other Yozis have some kind of "change people" charm at around E3-4. Oramus has one where he throws back a Shaping effect, though that doesn't let us make the initial attack. Maybe a custom charm built off of Light the Lights to let us make changes to people in a Wyld zone?
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...or like I've been saying, just use the Szoreny Charms that already exist to allow accelerated healing in other people without the need for mutations. Kaguya will have access.

Broken Mirror Mending
Cost: -; Mins: Essence; Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: New Growth Meditation
Even if whole swaths of Szoreny's silver trees were felled, the Silver Forest would recover.
With this Charm, the Infernal becomes impossible to permanently maim. This Charm allows the Infernal to apply the accelerated healing granted by New Growth Meditation to his rate of recovery from any sort of Crippling injury. Further, if he suffers a Crippling effect that would not naturally heal, he heals the injury away over the course of four weeks. This is only the base time for healing otherwise permanent Crippling effects, so all Infernals will recover much faster than this.
For example, an Infernal has this Charm and only one copy of New Growth Meditation. He loses an arm, a normally incurable condition. Because of this Charm, he begins growing a new arm, which takes him only a little more than nine days to do so.

Bitter Medicine
Cost: - (1 lhl); Mins: Essence 3; Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: (Essence) days
Prerequisite Charms: Transcendent Toxin Internalization
Szoreny is not only the source of the most potent poisons, but also the source of their antidotes and more. This Charm allows the Infernal to share the benefits of some of his Charms with others by sharing with them some of his own quicksilver blood.
The blood must be given willingly and causes no harm to anyone who consumes it, despite its normally poisonous nature. Instead, a creature who consumes the dose of blood gains the benefits of the Infernal's Transcendent Toxin Internalization Charm. If the Infernal knows New Growth Meditation or Broken Mirror Mending, the creature also gains the benefits of those Charms. These benefits last for a number of days equal to the Infernal's Essence.
The creature need not know what it is drinking, nor does it need to be willing to experience the effects of this Charm. The Infernal's blood will keep for (Essence) days before spoiling.
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If Kaguya has these Charms, then just ask her to make donations until Nunnally's legs are healed and tell Nunnally it's medicine.
 
Broken Mirror Mending looks like it would be a good charm to have, just by itself.

Maybe worth using the Fiend power to get, if we don't want to open up Szorney's charmlist.
 
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